swanton1717
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Thank god you are finally here, you shoulda joined like a year ago =P
Anyway Newman is right, Wobbuffet really isn't a problem..
~Colin
Anyway Newman is right, Wobbuffet really isn't a problem..
~Colin
WailordEX - Laugh, then read....Newman's Folly
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YoungJohn06
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NEWMAN said:
Newman for your information Jeremy is one heck of a player and probably one of the worlds best. BTW I played in FAT also, I was the Meganium Exeggutor person. I'll be glad to play your Wailord deck along with Jeremy and Mudkip. Don't go bashing Jerms, his record and play skill is incredible. BTW, english lesson for ya. Instead of BEETEN try Beaten.
meganium45
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OKOK, looks like Nationals will be a LOT of fun this year with all of the challengers, and different deck styles. That, and there looks to be 2 sets released between now and then!!!
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YoungJohn06
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NEWMAN said:
It doesn't play for you... you use the program to play. But what ever, hopefully we'll get to play at nationals.
Ancient Pokemon Trainer
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Okay 1st of all any body here with apprentice could you PM having a Hyper Link to it.If you could I would appreciate it very much.Or if you live in Seattle and can make this deck (or you could just create proxies) LMK because I would like to battle you.
Tyranitar666
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Wow...just wow. To be blunt, this decks crap. Im not going to sugar coat it, the decks not even ROGUE. It cannot TOUCH the best deck in the game, Blaziken ANYTHING. The deck is too slow. Wobbuffet OWNS it. Lets get to a few points.
Blaziken can have a Rayquaza own it ANY day. So thats two prizes. Ninetales does the same time but for a few more energy. Gardevoir also OWNS this deck. Wobbuffet stops you cold, and than when you bring up a Wailmer, you get hit by Gardy EX. Just keep switching between them. Any Gardy or Blaziken player with any clue what to do would win this match up 90% of the time. Ampharos as well. They run Wobbuffet as well, and does an even better job of KOing Wailmers. Aggron is impressive too, as your dealing it 60 damage max, and its healing as well ( ESPECIALLY the Xatu varients ) and 50 plus 20 to all bench eats fossils pretty quickly and makes the Wailord EX waste healing often or your having to heal more and more. So all four of the top decks beat this if played with any competency. Sceptile, a tier 2-3 deck, MAIMS it horribly. ANYTHING running Wobbuffet should beat it if its a solid deck on its own.
Magneton reams it too, once 10 energy hits play on your side. Salamence does great too. Hunts it on the bench, hits for 60. How many turns in a row can it get healed to usefulness if it keeps getting pulled active? Not enough. Kingdra beats it, again due to Wobbuffet. A smart player using Wobbuffet just wins this match up. It just doesn't make sense how this deck could do so well in a competant field. Newmans a decent player but this deck is just BAD. To make sure these claims aren't misinformed, I tested these over Apprentice and it was just so ugly. I won ONE game vs Blaziken Ninetales when they had a bad hand.
Anyone who wants to refute my claims can IM me at Jvcbt or Traptfan666, and challenge me to a game of Apprentice. I will proof my claims. I refuse to give this even rogue status as its just NOT GOOD.
Blaziken can have a Rayquaza own it ANY day. So thats two prizes. Ninetales does the same time but for a few more energy. Gardevoir also OWNS this deck. Wobbuffet stops you cold, and than when you bring up a Wailmer, you get hit by Gardy EX. Just keep switching between them. Any Gardy or Blaziken player with any clue what to do would win this match up 90% of the time. Ampharos as well. They run Wobbuffet as well, and does an even better job of KOing Wailmers. Aggron is impressive too, as your dealing it 60 damage max, and its healing as well ( ESPECIALLY the Xatu varients ) and 50 plus 20 to all bench eats fossils pretty quickly and makes the Wailord EX waste healing often or your having to heal more and more. So all four of the top decks beat this if played with any competency. Sceptile, a tier 2-3 deck, MAIMS it horribly. ANYTHING running Wobbuffet should beat it if its a solid deck on its own.
Magneton reams it too, once 10 energy hits play on your side. Salamence does great too. Hunts it on the bench, hits for 60. How many turns in a row can it get healed to usefulness if it keeps getting pulled active? Not enough. Kingdra beats it, again due to Wobbuffet. A smart player using Wobbuffet just wins this match up. It just doesn't make sense how this deck could do so well in a competant field. Newmans a decent player but this deck is just BAD. To make sure these claims aren't misinformed, I tested these over Apprentice and it was just so ugly. I won ONE game vs Blaziken Ninetales when they had a bad hand.
Anyone who wants to refute my claims can IM me at Jvcbt or Traptfan666, and challenge me to a game of Apprentice. I will proof my claims. I refuse to give this even rogue status as its just NOT GOOD.
Tyranitar666
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Ok...so Newman, you don't like to play Apprentice? Going to Gen Con or Origins at all this year? Worlds? I'll BET 100 dollars that I can beat you 4 out of 5 times with a Blaziken deck when you use that list posted here. What do ya say? Or you can play me on apprentice and back your claim. Either works for me.
meganium45
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Jeez, Tyranitar, lighten up just a bit.
What you are no doubt saying is Chicago is full of weak players who cannot play the game.
The deck went 5-1 there
What you are also saying is that St. Louis players are just as weak, the deck went 5-1 there.
You can posture all you like, and I know for a fact that Newman is on at least the third version of this deck. It works, plain and simple. Sorry if you cannot appreciate the simple elegance of a hide-and-seek deck, but it works. It works against Blaziken, it works against Raq, yes, Kingdra and magneton give it trouble, as does Amphy, but find me a deck that does not have a problem these days, there is not one.
Even the great RAQ deck falls all to easily to a Garde player who is smart enough to tech in Ditto for a one turn kill.
As for Salamance - you have to be kidding, that deck is trash in the best players hands.
There are very few power decks out there right now,,,Blaziken/RAQ, AggronEX/Wailord, Ninekin, Eggs/Blaz, Espeon/Magneton/Delcatty/MewtwoEX, with each deck having its own advantages.
As for a bet....for 4 of 5....I will discuss that offer with Newman, if you are willing to play the version he now plays.
Meganium45
What you are no doubt saying is Chicago is full of weak players who cannot play the game.
The deck went 5-1 there
What you are also saying is that St. Louis players are just as weak, the deck went 5-1 there.
You can posture all you like, and I know for a fact that Newman is on at least the third version of this deck. It works, plain and simple. Sorry if you cannot appreciate the simple elegance of a hide-and-seek deck, but it works. It works against Blaziken, it works against Raq, yes, Kingdra and magneton give it trouble, as does Amphy, but find me a deck that does not have a problem these days, there is not one.
Even the great RAQ deck falls all to easily to a Garde player who is smart enough to tech in Ditto for a one turn kill.
As for Salamance - you have to be kidding, that deck is trash in the best players hands.
There are very few power decks out there right now,,,Blaziken/RAQ, AggronEX/Wailord, Ninekin, Eggs/Blaz, Espeon/Magneton/Delcatty/MewtwoEX, with each deck having its own advantages.
As for a bet....for 4 of 5....I will discuss that offer with Newman, if you are willing to play the version he now plays.
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Bigpoppabeatdown
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Tyranitar666 said:
T- u know what, i bet the people that lost to him thought the exact same thing....
kingdra doesn't depend on wobb to win it, it doesn't need it
i was there when the deck was first built and designed and i have said from the beginning that anything that is a bench-hitter will pretty much mize this deck........
so far kingdra has been this deck's biggest enemy....
wobb hurts this deck but the regular wailord in there absolutely runs over wobbs....
all of those cards that you listed are very strong against it, but most don't do enough damage in one turn, and with all of the healing that he plays, it is difficult
this is a rogue deck, i for one don't like it, but i give it enough respect to consider it a strong rogue deck
that's my 2 cents.....
ANY CHANGE???
oh by the way VINCE.... where is kingdra in that list of powerful decks???
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Tyranitar666
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Meganium45, how do you not understand how insanely powerful Blaziken Rayquaza is?
Even all of the CC wins its taken so far isn't enough to convince you of how good it is?
Granted, you don't know the quality of opposition, but alot of the CCs that its won are hard.
Almost every deck at the Delaware CC was an archetype and Blaziken Ray dominated
Not only that but half the t8 were Blaziken Ray decks and it won the whole thing
I don't know about you, but testing AND its record at CCs is hard to dispute.
Unfortunately, if you don't believe me, thats fine with me, not much I can do about it.
My point it, you should really test against strong Blaziken Ray decks more.
Its hands down the best deck, even more so when Blaziken EX comes out.
Seriously, its a tier above all of the other decks currently available.
Almost no deck, specifically countering it or not, beats it consistantly.
Not even decks using Wailord or other water cards.
I doubt you have enough experience versus the deck to judge it properly.
Don't underestimate it, especially with the major events coming up.
Its so strong, and can come back and fire off mid game like crazy.
Obviously, the deck won't be going anywhere with the new Blaziken coming.
Try to give it more of a chance, you won't regret it.
Even all of the CC wins its taken so far isn't enough to convince you of how good it is?
Granted, you don't know the quality of opposition, but alot of the CCs that its won are hard.
Almost every deck at the Delaware CC was an archetype and Blaziken Ray dominated
Not only that but half the t8 were Blaziken Ray decks and it won the whole thing
I don't know about you, but testing AND its record at CCs is hard to dispute.
Unfortunately, if you don't believe me, thats fine with me, not much I can do about it.
My point it, you should really test against strong Blaziken Ray decks more.
Its hands down the best deck, even more so when Blaziken EX comes out.
Seriously, its a tier above all of the other decks currently available.
Almost no deck, specifically countering it or not, beats it consistantly.
Not even decks using Wailord or other water cards.
I doubt you have enough experience versus the deck to judge it properly.
Don't underestimate it, especially with the major events coming up.
Its so strong, and can come back and fire off mid game like crazy.
Obviously, the deck won't be going anywhere with the new Blaziken coming.
Try to give it more of a chance, you won't regret it.
meganium45
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Dude, read my earlier post...I play BLAZ RAY!!!!
My deck is good, magneton variant now, and it still can lose to the whale occaisionally.
I do not have to be convinced of the power of Ray, I play the thing.
also, Scott, Kingdra should be on that list, my BAD!!
M45
My deck is good, magneton variant now, and it still can lose to the whale occaisionally.
I do not have to be convinced of the power of Ray, I play the thing.
also, Scott, Kingdra should be on that list, my BAD!!
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meganium45
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How could I forget Garde??? My sons BOTH play that beast.
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Tyranitar666
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Meganium- Chicago hasn't had any players of quality since Jason and Alex quit. They even said themselves their metagame was HORRIBLE. I am not too familar with the St Louis metagame, but this makes me iffy.
Also, a smart gardy player with a ditto will not TOUCH a Blaziken Rayquaza deck. Trust me. Gardevoir, even running 3-3 Wailord, doesn't beat it consistantly. Kingdra is not that strong vs this deck...I don't see it as being a contender vs it unless it utilizes its Wobbuffets extremely well, and Amphy and Gardy just do it BETTER. Prove to me HOW it beats Blaziken Rayquaza? Ditto is not as good vs Rayquaza as you think. Maybe if the Blaziken player is an idiot and doesn't play around it, but why do you think any deck running a 50 damage card and Crystal Shards doesn't beat it?
Wailord EX is not a bad card in the least, but in this style of deck? Yes, it is. This premise does not work against better decks. I am going to be testing vs it with Venusaur, and I will post multiple games, play by play, and prove to everyone just how badly the deck gets reamed by the archetypes. Meganium, you can say it beats them all you want, than turn down challenges to prove it, so we will provide proof of our side.
Also, a smart gardy player with a ditto will not TOUCH a Blaziken Rayquaza deck. Trust me. Gardevoir, even running 3-3 Wailord, doesn't beat it consistantly. Kingdra is not that strong vs this deck...I don't see it as being a contender vs it unless it utilizes its Wobbuffets extremely well, and Amphy and Gardy just do it BETTER. Prove to me HOW it beats Blaziken Rayquaza? Ditto is not as good vs Rayquaza as you think. Maybe if the Blaziken player is an idiot and doesn't play around it, but why do you think any deck running a 50 damage card and Crystal Shards doesn't beat it?
Wailord EX is not a bad card in the least, but in this style of deck? Yes, it is. This premise does not work against better decks. I am going to be testing vs it with Venusaur, and I will post multiple games, play by play, and prove to everyone just how badly the deck gets reamed by the archetypes. Meganium, you can say it beats them all you want, than turn down challenges to prove it, so we will provide proof of our side.
YoungJohn06
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meganium45 said:
Gardevoir in no way owns Rayquaza... I dunno who you played that played Ray vs Gardevoir and lost with it but they obviously weren't that good. Like T-tar said any good player WILL own this deck and the gardevoir deck with any blazivarient. There is no ifs ands or buts about it the deck will not be up to par with speed of other decks. Smart players will crush you if you play this deck.
Venusaur
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Occaisonally? I thought you meant RAQ loses to wailord ex every game.meganium45 said:
But ya TTAR666 is right..just the fact that Rayquaza knocks it out in 1 hit, and Wailord ex only does 70. Even with crystal shards. Its slowness hurts it. Even with ditto, the Blaziken player can still attack it and KO it in 1 hit, just waiting for you to put a wailord active to knock it out with Rayquaza.
Ya same thing with Gardevoir. Once the gard ex dies from a 4 fire discard knock out from a rayquaza it's basically over.
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