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WEREWOLF XII: Cyrus's Revenge!! ENDGAME Planning for next WW game inside

okay here we go...so before the town turns on me let me once again clear my name unnessisarily....

I HAVE BEEN READING THE GAME but ovbiously I can't read everything thats going on. At the time of my vote I had read up to the start of day 3 to its entirety.

At the time of my second post I had read up to my post but during day 3 I only read the posts made by the "big names" of the game.

Now I have fully caught up on my reading and I STILL STAND BY MY VOTE

I never said that there 100% isn't any wolves. I said we shouldn't rule it out.

I concluded that it's MOST LIKELY to be a wolf group AS WELL AS indies.
I had not decided whether the wolfs were TG or TBH and the only person I could single out as an INDY was Diaz for my reasons above. Let me quote myself from post
809

Based on his (or hers?) behavior in Day 2 (I havn't read much of day 3 yet) I find DIAZ very suspecious (leading the towns conversation claiming to be (or at least implying to be) a seer (or close to) without evidence only to vote of a town folk?) Therefor (unless convinced otherwise) I will be:

VOTE DIAZ

Also, I will be as bold to ask for protection tonight...I fear that either the "wolf" group (if there is one) or the individual rogues might want my head after telling the crowed what is actually going on.

Thanks!

Ekim
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I stick by what I said. Bolded words were either added or simply bolded for emphisis.

I was not saying implicitly that there isn't a wolf group nor was I trying to imply it. I simply mentioned that it could be a posibility that there MAY only be indies. Once again most likely there are Indys and Wolves (TG?).

As I stated before i was even offically in the game, Indys are far more dangerous then Wolves. There are more wolves to make mistakes and slip up clues. When you're an Indy it's extremly easy to pretend you're town aligned by not posting anything at all, or presuading the town to think something.

Diaz you persuaded the town to vote off homeformew (if memory serves?) who turned out to be a townie...so you made a mistake and deserved to be punished.

If I am wrong, I am willing to admit my mistake and honorably leave the game. (letting the town lynch me?)

~Ekim
 
sdrawkcab said:
As I stated before i was even offically in the game, Indys are far more dangerous then Wolves. There are more wolves to make mistakes and slip up clues. When you're an Indy it's extremly easy to pretend you're town aligned by not posting anything at all, or presuading the town to think something.

Diaz you persuaded the town to vote off homeformew (if memory serves?) who turned out to be a townie...so you made a mistake and deserved to be punished.

If I am wrong, I am willing to admit my mistake and honorably leave the game. (letting the town lynch me?)

~Ekim
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Alright. I can see where you are coming from. Here you seem to take a step back, and your main thrust is that "there are probably" indies in this game. I'm pretty sure this is correct, given from the number of competitors and the number of kills that happened last night.

About lynching homeofmew: I don't see the need to "punish" anyone for lynching her. She wasn't playing very well and was making illogical votes. If we "punished" a player for voting off a townie, we'd really only be hurting ourselves. This is a team game, and if we hurt ourselves, we shouldn't do it twice just to be "fair."
 
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To be clear, I would prefer that we did not vote Sdrawkcab today. I would prefer that he come online, admit that his vote for me was a mistake, change it, and move on. At that point, I would change my vote and move forward. As for his other theory, its probably wrong, but either way, it doesn't change how we play the game, so it doesn't matter. Please don't start bandwagon-ing on Sdrawkcab before he has a chance to post.

Also, we need to consider the following suspects who have been brought up today (in no order):
Shinygyarados
Hatter
Cardkeeper
Sdrawkcab

These are the names of people who have been brought up today. None really jumps out at me as a dream vote. Heres my stance on each as of right now.

ShinyG: He argued against me way too much this game, but I don’t think its enough to warrant a lynch. He seems to not be posting much right now. I’d love to see him weigh in on other issues besides voting me out.

Hatter: He was brought up by Pokemon99 who has role claimed, and I believe is a townie. I’m not convinced at all by p99’s argument that hatter is a wolf, but more info would be nice. He is another player who needs to post.

Cardkeeper: He was brought up because a dead seer went after him, but his defense seemed to hold up pretty well. I think he is someone to keep a close eye on in the future, but not someone to lynch right now.

Backwards: He is the most suspicious right now (hence my vote). But he could redeem himself fairly easily in my eyes. I think he put forth an idea that was interesting, probably wrong (some merit though), and made an awful vote at the wrong time. My vote for him is primarily because of his vote.

In summary, we have a bunch of bad suspects with little evidence to back up lynching any of them. These people should try to post more before the night happens or risk being lynched for lack of anyone better to lynch.

I’d love it if some big name players could do some more posting, and townies in general would bring up other name for consideration. Also, there are some players being very inactive. I think that anyone who hasn’t already posted this game day is really doing a disservice to the town. The penalty for inactivity this game is modkill. Please avoid that. If you cannot continue to participate, pm absol and be replaced. Please don’t just let us lose a townie.
 
sdrawkcab said:
okay here we go...so before the town turns on me let me once again clear my name unnessisarily....

I HAVE BEEN READING THE GAME but ovbiously I can't read everything thats going on. At the time of my vote I had read up to the start of day 3 to its entirety.

At the time of my second post I had read up to my post but during day 3 I only read the posts made by the "big names" of the game.

Now I have fully caught up on my reading and I STILL STAND BY MY VOTE

I never said that there 100% isn't any wolves. I said we shouldn't rule it out.

I concluded that it's MOST LIKELY to be a wolf group AS WELL AS indies.
I had not decided whether the wolfs were TG or TBH and the only person I could single out as an INDY was Diaz for my reasons above. Let me quote myself from post
809



I stick by what I said. Bolded words were either added or simply bolded for emphisis.

I was not saying implicitly that there isn't a wolf group nor was I trying to imply it. I simply mentioned that it could be a posibility that there MAY only be indies. Once again most likely there are Indys and Wolves (TG?).

As I stated before i was even offically in the game, Indys are far more dangerous then Wolves. There are more wolves to make mistakes and slip up clues. When you're an Indy it's extremly easy to pretend you're town aligned by not posting anything at all, or presuading the town to think something.

Diaz you persuaded the town to vote off homeformew (if memory serves?) who turned out to be a townie...so you made a mistake and deserved to be punished.

If I am wrong, I am willing to admit my mistake and honorably leave the game. (letting the town lynch me?)

~Ekim
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Homeofmew was stupid, plain and simple. Even though I wasn't able to vote/say anything that day, I was watching the progress of the day. If I had been on, I would have voted her out the second she said that. I was SURE that she was an indi/wolf simply because that's the single worst post I've ever seen by someone with as much experience as her.

I don't understand why you're still continuing with your hypothesis, even though others agree with me that it's very weak (like NO evidence at all...), it's a distraction to what we should be doing (trying to figure out who the wolves are), and to top it all off, you're making an illogical vote for Diaz. (something we've discussed to infinity and back)

From what I've heard, you're a good player. What you're doing does not look like a good player. Perhaps a good indi, or a wolf, but it doesn't seem like normal townie posting.

Untill you can convince me other wise (which probably wouldn't be all that hard to do, as I am open to other suggetions)

VOTE: SDRAWKCAB
 
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I missed two posted before I posted my last response (note the number at the top of my post). One of them, Sdrawkcab’s, was fairly important to my post.

I’d like to address the accusation that I made the town vote for HoM. I do not think that anyone needs to be punished for what happened.

Here are the first votes for HoM:
LucarioEX
http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1587491&postcount=666
Cardkeeper
http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1587494&postcount=667
Dukefirebird
http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1587521&postcount=672
Each of these were cast before I had talked at all about lynching HoM. There was also one vote for ShinyG before I made this post:
http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1587719&postcount=677

So, no, I was not the “one” who convinced the town to lynch her. She already had three votes. I made an accurate account of the reasons it made sense to lynch her at the time in my above post. I don’t think my logic was that bad.

Don’t take my word for it. Go back and read pages 26-29.

This is all irrelevant, however, because no one needs to be attacked over HoM’s lynching.

I am very surprised by how Backwards is handling this situation.

Backwards, if you are a townie, please do make us lynch you over this. Its pretty obvious that I’m not killing anyone at night. We had 2 night kills last night, and I couldn’t have done any of it because I was in the bubble. Its pretty ridiculous to try to lynch me at this point. I do not want to be the indirect cause of another townie’s death because you refuse to look at the evidence that clearly shows that I’m a townie.
 
It's very annoying to see little evidence for anybody. Especially when there is bound to be a bandwagoning which is extremely unfortunate (especially when your one who can't do much more but role claim to prove themselves and hopefully save themselves.). We need to look at the big picture.

ShinyG: He is one of the fewest threats ATM. Yes, he is attacking Diaz constantly which isn't helpful, but we need to recognize all Diaz did was role claim. While I and many others see the evidence Diaz is a preist, he isn't fully convinced as are some others and is one of the only few expressing the possibility. He should not be lynched for that. We need to keep an eye on him incase he becomes too radical, but there I'd surely better options.

Hatter: Most definately the lowest danger, we are only going off P99s claim. Hatter, posting to make the situation more clear would be great, but he like ShinyG didn't deserve a lynch ATM

Sdrawkcab: Probobly the greatest danger at the moment, he isn't making much sense. However, he is indeed being open about his hypothesis. Keep an eye on him.

Smacktack15 & Friends: Yes. Why would I go back to them with all these lovely options? Because we need to realize one thing. Every single person (excluding Hatter) is activly posting. Yes, there is suspicions agianst them, but the only reason there isn't suspicions on them is because they don't post! You need to post to seem suspicious. Simply being speraticly voting and bandwagoning is NOT a help to the town. And by not considering these guys we could kill a wolf, or we could lose a townie actually trying to help. And by seeing the ammount of noobs and inactive players, they are kind of important.

In conclusion, I say we look into Sdrawkcab, and if he defends himself well enough, we look into someone like Smacktack. Sure, they aren't hurting the town, but are they helping? What if everyone under the suspicions list is an honest townie? If we kill them we are stuck with no supporting town. Besides, not posting can also be a very wolfy thing noobs do. We might just land a good kill for the town. Who knows? And thus for these reasons,

VOTE: Undecided
 
sdrawkcab said:
From what have read however Do we even know if their are wolves in this version of the game?

There are mason groups : Team Black Hole & Team Galactic (I'm assuming)
There are Individual players: rogue warriors just playing by themselves
There are town folk: just minding their own business trying to not get killed
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Does it really matter whether they are wolves or non-town-aligned masons with killing roles? That's kind of what wolves are... or are you saying that Team Galactic is town-aligned? I'm not sure which is sillier, really.

Diaz saying stuff like this, that's one thing. A WW veteran and previous winner, that's another.

sdrawkcab said:
And don't vote people off "on a hunch" or " because someone else told you so" CONVINCE you're self you're right and if your unable to do that...then you won't EVER be able to find the actual guilty person.
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Obviously actually voting someone off for those reasons is bad, but do we really want everyone to be completely convinced that someone's a wolf or indie without actual evidence? Townies need to be open-minded. You seem to be saying that everyone should act like SG, and spend the entire game stubbornly trying to get a particular player lynched.

sdrawkcab said:
In regards to me not reading day three in its entirety I was simply refering to individuals posts...I have read everyone of absol's post as well as a few select players I like to keep an eye on (any vetrain player)
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:nonono: If you haven't read all the posts, why try to influence the game drastically?

Besides, at what point is someone important enough for you to read their posts, anyway?

sdrawkcab said:
In absol's posts from night 1 & 2 we can verify there has been AT LEAST two murder attempts both nights...possibly more?
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So? That's fairly normal, IIRC. And this is about twice the size of some games.

sdrawkcab said:
Notice how in absol's night summary posts people arn't getting eaten alive in their sleep? Only a slight clue that probably doesn't mean anything, but who knows?
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Again, so? When were the Werewolves literally wolves?

sdrawkcab said:
I had not decided whether the wolfs were TG or TBH
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Absol pretty much said that the wolves were TG:

Absoltrainer said:
Second there was a note…a note from Cyrus. It read:

To the members of this town,

You need not fear your demise from me.
Lest you be of Team Galactic scum, I have no need to hate you.
My mission is noble, my cause just
I ask for your help and ridding this town of Team Galactic

Yours truly,
C.
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sdrawkcab said:
Diaz you persuaded the town to vote off homeformew (if memory serves?) who turned out to be a townie...so you made a mistake and deserved to be punished.
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So, if someone makes a mistake, they should be lynched, whether or not they're a townie?

sdrawkcab said:
If I am wrong, I am willing to admit my mistake and honorably leave the game. (letting the town lynch me?)
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Okay, if you're a townie, that is just stupid. You shouldn't just let yourself get lynched and not even attempt any kind of defense. How is that any different from trying to get someone else lynched when you know for sure that they're a townie?
This isn't a trial, it's a game. A game where I assume that you at least want to act as if greater numbers are to your advantage.
 
I will say that I did try to see Pokemon99, but my role is like a "Seer" if you will, but it doesn't have the same effect.
 
Ok guys, this is getting pretty ridiculous in terms of how backwards is not unvoting Diaz, but at the same time, if he realizes that he will be lynched and he was a wolf, he wouldn't take it lying down. At this point, backwards has no reason to stick his neck on the line, knowing how lost the town is, therefore I will probably not be voting for him. But, if someone is able to persuade me otherwise, I'm not entirely opposed to the thought. I think we need to start looking into someone else, but I'm not entirely sure who yet, more posts coming later
 
823 and reading...

Diaz just so you know this is not at all a personal attack...Cardz & I did the EXACT SAME thing back in WW3 or 4? I just wanted to make sure I knew what I needed to know. Either you are truely town aligned or you're a better actor then I give you credit for, either way you've earned my props.

I agree we need to hear from those who are quiet...they either have a role in which they can't speak or they are pretending to have a role in which they can't speak...as for myself I'm busy in research looking for clues...like a poker player would (without the gambling ;p)

UNVOTE: DIAZ

VOTE: Hatter

Jigglypuff seems pretty innocent...care to explain why you're putting people to sleep?
 
I know nothing about the "Jigglypuff type role." I just get a hint as to what the character look likes.
If you go back and look at past werewolf games I am in, I sit back and observe for the first few days and get a sense of the way the direction of the town is going.. and use way role in coordination of that.
On the first night I did try to choose Pokemon99, but was put to sleep... and on the second night I chose Z-man as I figured he would have some type of weird role that would cause him to sing... as I deduced that his random singing was probably not him being bored like usual..
I got:
You see a Pokemon that is light weight, pink, large-eyed, and who loves to sing.
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Alright, to be perfectly honest. When I made my origional post I was to some degree slightly sleep deprived...sorry for that...I hadn't made my "splash" into the game yet and figured I had to do something drastic to gain support...I forgot that most of the people in this game have me down as one of the "big names" cool =)

Hatter thank you for posting...I kind of bandwagoned Diaz on you but only to get you to talk =)

Darth Pika has been doing alot of talking, but mostly bandwagoning, agreeing with diaz without reading exactly what he is saying....? I'm not sure how much experience you have in the AYAWW games but you are usually very open about your own opinion on the threads...whats one of your current hunches? (now would be a GREAT time to sacrafise a wolf if you are one)

Jason has Voted for me but purly in defence of Diaz...im okay with that...for now...

UNVOTE: HATTER

VOTE: Darthpika

sometimes you need to vote for people to see who follows for the sake of following.

~Ekim
 
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Clarification:

Hatter™ said:
I know nothing about the "Jigglypuff type role." I just get a hint as to what the character look likes.
If you go back and look at past werewolf games I am in, I sit back and observe for the first few days and get a sense of the way the direction of the town is going.. and use way role in coordination of that.
On the first night I did try to choose Pokemon99, but was put to sleep... and on the second night I chose Z-man as I figured he would have some type of weird role that would cause him to sing... as I deduced that his random singing was probably not him being bored like usual..
I got:
You see a Pokemon that is light weight, pink, large-eyed, and who loves to sing.
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Everyone, there appears to be an issue:
That IS the exact thing I PMed to Hatter, which breaks the rule:

4d) Do not quote anything I tell you from a PM directly; adapt it into your own speaking style. If you quote anything from my PMs directly, I will smite you with the might of God and you will be Modkilled.
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Geez, I really hate having to do this, but this IS a break of rules. That is an exact copy of what I PM'd you According to the rules I have to Modkill you...

That being said

GAME IS FROZEN UNTIL UPDATE

Let this be a warning to anyone who wants to post information I give them or reveal their role. DO NOT DIRECTLY QUOTE ME.

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As the town bickered over the innocence of Diaz, and the decision of who to kill during the day, one member found himself clutching his chest. Hatter looked up in terror towards to on looking eyes of everyone gathering at the center of town for that day’s lynch. It was then everyone realized he was having a heart attack. Several people attempted to assist the poor Pokémon who was fading fast. It was too late however and Hatter passed away in front of everyone.

Absoltrainer said:
Hatter™ - Absol
You are Absol, darkness Pokemon and master of shadows. You can sneak around and sense danger with ease.

ROLE: FORESIGHT
Absol can learn Foresight, an attack that scans the opposing Pokémon.
Once during the night, you may PM me the name of a person you wish to use foresight on. If that person is a Pokémon or has a role affiliated with Pokémon, you will learn something about them, Otherwise the attack fails.

Win Condition: Town Wins
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The town saddened by the unfortunate passing of a town member were further saddened when someone reported that Pokemon King had been found in his house. Dead.

Absoltrainer said:
Pokemon King Togepi
You are Togepi, the happiness Pokemon, you mission is to spread happiness, wherever you go. “AWWWWW isn’t that cute?” You are not sure what everyone is so worried about, I mean death? Lynching? They need to cheer up, and that's your job.

Role: Happiness
Once during the night, you may PM me the name of a player you want to make happy. They will become overjoyed and smile all day long. Despite your good intentions, I guarantee you that if a person smiles too much during a time of killing, it does not make them look very good. Your ability may be more dangerous then you think…at least to those around you.

Win Condition: Town Wins
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The happiness Pokémon had been driven completely insane by his happiness and denial of anything bad going on. He could no longer stand this imprisonment and stress, and thus ended his own misery.

It was an extremely sad day for the town. Two unfortunate happenings that further dampened the moral of the town. With both of these Pokemon no longer among them, they decided to not lynch anyone for the day. A person can only handle so much death.


BEGIN NIGHT 3
PEOPLE AWATING INSTRCUTIONS: I WILL SEND THEM OUT SHORLTY
PEOPLE WITH ROLES: SEND THEM IN
NO MORE POSTING, UNLESS IT IS ABOUT LEAVE OF ABSENSE, ETC.
NIGHT 3 ENDS: JAN. 10th 2010
 
Great timing for a break now that holidays are over!
I'll be posting alot less this week with upcoming CC's and coaching basketball and trying to get my job back ;P
 
Pokemon_King said:
Why was I found dead? I asked to be substituted out. Oh well, sucks for you townies.
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Here's the awnser.
I've replaced 3 people already
The 3 people still on the list are DIZZtheWHIZZ, LegendaryLugia, and Gliscor28

DIZZ already turned down being a replacement and said he no longer wants to be on the list(I need to update that)
Gliscor28 has not been active enough online (at least last time I checked) to be a replacement ATM. He has not been online in 10 days

That leaves 1 person, LedgendaryLugia.

I want to always have at least 1 person in back-up, esspecially in case a REALLY important role is decideds to drop out and until I can find a couple more replacments to add to the list, I had to unfortunetly remove Pokemon King from the game.

I'm not saying I'm saving the replacement for when a seer or wolf drops out, but whilst I only have 1 person ATM who can replace anyone, I did not want to use it quite yet. Esspecially since I've already had to replace 3 people as it is within a small period of time.

***NEW INFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have just recruited ARMondak as a second person for the replacment list.
 
Just saying I may not be able to post this weekend as I am at a swim meet. It all depends of there is internet access at the hotel we're staying at.

Thanks!
 
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