WEREWOLF XV: Pokemon Wars: GAME END: TOWN WINS!!!!! See Post 2547 for Final Update!

[TheKing]

Well i am back and still catching up on the thread. But first jellyfisher, can you tell me what room you were in the night before?

 

[jellyfisher]

Secondly for PCoPB if you would link to where that was established that would be wonderful. IIRC when that discussion was going down I was swamped by Hebrew.

I couldn't find the post where that was said, but I can show you the update where it was determined.

A creature, sat cross-legged on his bed, and seemed to be watching something far away. He suddenly jerked as if seeing something unholy, but soon returned to peace. Another creature, clad in full green and blue armor, leaned against the bulkhead on the other side of the room, gun and armor glistening in the scarce light. He seemed to be waiting, but not for anything but the daylight. When a man, cloaked in black approached him, his weapon, a stunted rifle with a brown butt, went up and instantly sighted in on the cloaked man’s head. The cloaked man raised his hand and assured the armored creature he meant no fear. He then whispered something that only the two of them could hear. The armored creature listened, but with his helmet on, it was impossible to tell if the creature agreed or disagreed. The cloaked man quickly exited the room.

The night this happened there was only one person that got a tattoo. And that was PCoPB. Also, if I am correct, the armored creature was the only thing that had a man cloaked in black approach him. So I think that proves PCoPB is not a wolf or part of the sith.

For AAM, I was saying that he might have been tatted by either group which does not clear him from either. He could be an empire and the dark jedi have been tatting people, he could be dark jedi and the empire is tatting people, or he could be a townie or indie and tagged by either group. Also, I am unaware of where it is shown that he could not be palpatine. Is there an update that clarifies that? I had not noticed but the updates are sehr massive. I would appreciate a link on that.

AAM is the mechanic. It was proved on the day where Redados1 showed us a list of the people in the control room. AAM claimed to be the mechanic, and no one else said differently.

As for the thing about spartacus, I had not seen where we became absolutely sure he was not palpatine nor that he was necessarily a wolf. I did not catch where he was made surely to be jolteon. I thought we were asking for him to target a specific person the next night. To generate that list I looked at those who are still alive that I did not feel certain of the alignment of and were vets and posted it.

I guess spartacus is not proven to be Jolteon, but I think he is. That doesn't matter though, we can find out if he is Jolteon tonight. All we have to do is tell his replacement who to target.

I was under the impression that something had happened when you hit jpulice with your role that made you doubt him/her.

Perhaps if you stated the result of you looking at jpulice's alignment that would assist unless that would reveal more than simply his/her alignment.

I was, and still am slightly uncertain if jpulice is town or not. But I can say for sure that he is not a wolf or the sith. And no, I can not post any of my results. It would reveal to much.

Well i am back and still catching up on the thread. But first jellyfisher, can you tell me what room you were in the night before?

I fail to see why you need to know that information. Do you doubt that I am a detective? And also, I am more than a little hesitant to give that information to someone that is currently on my suspicion list.

 

[Scottistru]

Sorry for not posting; I had limited time on the Internet and haven't been able to put together a substantial post on this phone. Unfortunatly, the Word doc I had outlining my suspicions of Ikrit is on my computer at home, and there is no way I will be able to read through multiple games with the limited time I have on a computer. Therefore, I will most likely not vote today, and this may be my last post of the day.
Sorry about this guys.
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[gallade]

I have a semi seer role.
Benzo is a wolf.
Can't really post right now just wanted to slip that in.
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[jellyfisher]

I have a semi seer role.
Benzo is a wolf.
Can't really post right now just wanted to slip that in.
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I hope that you will be able to get on soon and give us more information.

ggrrrrrgrgrgrrrrrrbbbliippppp

I think an extension is neccessary as well.

I would like to be able to read what everyone has to say.

I will add this info as to the inquirent- force sensative is in favor to my characture.

More to say later........................ I prolly wont be on for some time.

I forgot to respond to this in my last post. Benzo, are you saying that you are force sensitive, or am I just misunderstanding the post? I'm only asking this because I didn't expect you to be force sensitive...

Also, I might not be able to explain my reason for believing Dragonclyne725 and King Piplup to be townie this game day. I'm just not sure if it would be best to explain it yet...

 

[King Piplup]

I hope that you will be able to get on soon and give us more information.



I forgot to respond to this in my last post. Benzo, are you saying that you are force sensitive, or am I just misunderstanding the post? I'm only asking this because I didn't expect you to be force sensitive...

Also, I might not be able to explain my reason for believing Dragonclyne725 and King Piplup to be townie this game day. I'm just not sure if it would be best to explain it yet...

Unless it's going to get me and Dragonclyne725 killed tonight (if there is somebody with a killing role that wins when all town is eliminated) then I don't think it's the most important topic at hand. Right now, are we just going to lynch Irkit or what?

 

[Ikrit]

I am going to go item by item through what jpulice states.

1. I state:

To answer everyone's accusations and questions, I am going to break them down by person. If I miss something or accidentally misunderstand something or you feel further clarification is necessary please let me know and I will clarify further.

You state:

Ikrit, I must say your ability to twist words and take things out of context is impressive. Even more so I can see why you are considered a “vet”.

My response:
I summarized and itemized everyone's arguments. I did this because pokegym does not allow for you to quote a quote with the quote button. I did this for everyone's convenience. I also did this so that they would be easily referenced and separated clearly. One example of why I did this is that I cannot use the quote button to put my comments on your comments on my post. This makes it harder to show context on what you were saying about what I was saying. This is the whole reason I summarized what y'all had said to me rather than quoting it outright.

2. I state:

I was sure you had said I was a null read. I went back to find where that was and I realized that the post I had seen saying that was not by you but rather by scottistru. That post is here.

You state:

I was happy to let this go when Scottistru made this statement. It was you who took it as ammunition against me. Thank you for acknowledging that I did not do this, it must have been hard, since it undermined part of your argument against me.

My response:
My goal is to find bad guys. I am not dissapointed that you corrected me nor is it hard for me to admit mistakes. My goal is to find those who are against the town. If I mistakenly think you are not town when you are town, I am glad to be corrected for the same reason that I do not vote for people who have not reached a given threshold of suspiciousness except to pressure them. Each dead townie moves towards the win condition of the bad guys/empire/sith/dark jedi/indies.

3. I state:

I am saying that you are jumping on the bandwagon as you seemed to me to be waiting for others to accuse me before doing so yourself. It is true you have said that I was suspicious for several days. Rather I am saying that it seems that you are using their accusations for your own means. Looking back what I had said previously was a bit strong to describe it as the others attacking me occurred rather quickly.

You state:

Wow, again I had to remind you that I had in writing called you out days in advance. So now we have two times you tried to twist my actions, but I had to show you the facts. Again it must have been had to admit this.....

My response:
It is strange that you forgot that I had used the fact that you had voted for me in the past as part of the reason why I was suspicious of you. In the very post that you yourself were responding to I acknowledged that you had voted for me previously. I explicitly stated that one of the reasons why I was worried about your alignment was that you had voted for me in a poor manner the day before. This is an excerpt from that post:

Jpulice because of the poor vote yesterday and still stating no reasons. This looks like a wolf simply trying to pressure me for more information on my role. Furthermore, he only jumped on the suspicion train today after others had done so first.

I am not the only one who thought that your vote on the previous day was poor. Scottistru questioned it here. Cardz more generally did so here.

4. I state:

Why are you still attacking cardz when I have completely cleared him?

You state:

This is where I’m really impressed. I never said “I completely cleared him” (Cardz) But when you state something like this it looks like you’ve quoted me from the previous post, again attibuting my information as such.

My response: I was summarizing what you said. That was how I had written down your arguments so that I could respond to them in kind. I did not claim that it was a quote, as I did not quote it. When I quote something I link to it. I even specifically stated at the beginning of that post, also quoted at the beginning of this one, that if I misunderstood anything to please let me know. More specifically, your exact words, which you quoted as well, are:

You really pushed for a Cardz vote yesterday, even when I presented my facts to why I believe he's townie.

When you said what you said, it seemed to mean that you were saying that you had facts that made you believe he was a townie. In my jargon to clear someone is to show that they are not wolves. To completely clear them is to show that they are townies. In some games this is equivalent. In a game with two clearly shown evil factions and at least two indies and likely more , it is not. Instead you claim to have facts that show that he is a townie...ala to have completely cleared him. If you were not intending to state that you have shown that he is a townie, I am sorry for misunderstanding you.

I am going to skip the stuff about cardz until the end as I have much to say on that topic. (I saw the post posted while I was preparing this, the current discussion is best saved for next game day)

5. I state:

I was entirely un-aware of this. My apologies. I had not read the last game. I still feel that this is very broken. Beyond this fact, the way my role works is different from that role. If I am read by a seer they will not get a read.

You state:

So just a few posts ago, you indicate IF a wolf had an ability to protect himself it would be way to overpowered. Now you are admitting you agree at least DarthPika had an ability to block a role. Why is it not probable that Palpatine has an ability to look townie?

My response:
I would like to extend what I just quoted from my previous post. Also, DarthPika had that ability with a different mod, and simply because one mod in a different game used a given specialty ability as a wolf ability, does not mean that Absol did. Beyond this, I have already stated...and been verified as being truthful...that my role differs from that role. In the role you mentioned, the person seered comes back as town. In my role instead of there being a result, no read returns.

6. I state:

Every one of us lynched moves the wolves towards winning. I do not vote for someone unless I have sufficient evidence, or when not voting means that the wolves might get a double kill(Cabd). I explained this earlier. Beyond this, I do not consider this to be a bad thing that I had not cast a vote to lynch when every lynch that I had not voted on turned out to be a townie with the exception of an indie that I still think there was not enough evidence to lynch. Are you calling me suspicious for not contributing to the lynching of townies?

You state:

Yes I’m suspicious of you not voting. The town's primary mode of eliminating “badguys” is to lynch. They can only hope to have night killers but without this the town MUST rely on lynching. We the town are at the disadvantage and can only rely on the information provided (or lack thereof). So yes we will off fellow townies out of necessity to kill wolves but this is part of the game, which you know so well. Again I like who you say infer I’m upset with you for not lynching townie. Well played but it doesn’t pass my laugh test.

My response:
It is true that the town's primary mode of eliminating "badguys" is to lynch. However that is also their primary mode of eliminating their own members. I ask you again is it a good thing to lynch a townie when we do not have to? Another way to ask the question is this: If your choice is to probably lynch a townie or not lynch at all what do you do? Another thing to put this in perspective is that we have/had multiple detectives/seers, multiple one time seer items, multiple priests, and multiple roles that paint the people in the update. In that case unless someone has better than even odds of being a badguy it is not advantageous to lynch. If we do not lynch we give more time to our information gathering roles to do just that. Another way of stating this is here on mafiascum.

7. I state:

You are still really pressuring cardz when I have already cleared him yesterday...why?

You state:

There you go again not quoting me straight again.

My response:
I believe I already dealt with this under number 4. I separated this from the aforementioned for one reason, the previous I was addressing your clearing of him, under this one I was addressing the fact that I was still pressuring him. They are definitely linked but I felt it would be a disservice to keep them together.

8. I state:

You are still pressuring cardz when the detective has cleared him...why?

You state:

I’ve lost count to you twisting words. I never said this go back and look.

My response:
You previously stated:

A self-claimed Detective (jellyfishes who I believe) has put Cardz as a townie and yet you come back to your suspicions about him.

There is no purpose for stating that a detective has put Cardz as a townie except to state that the information is more reliable as it is coming from the detective. The only purpose for the information being more reliable coming from the detective is because his role could clear cardz. If you were not intending that, then it makes no sense to say that he is a detective...instead what would make sense is to say that several others have placed cardz as a townie. Beyond this, a plain reading of your words lends itself to what I had stated.

9. I state:

Not knowing someone's alignment is not a sufficient reason to lynch them. There are several people on my hard to know list. It is a good play to attack them to pressure them. If that is what you are doing, good job. I have basically told you my role. Test it.

You state:

I’ll pass, I have better use of my time. Your response has cemented my vote. You have to bring a whole lot more than this to clear yourself.

My response:
Even better, Scottistru has verified that my role prevents reads from seers. That post is here. While he does not believe that this clears me, it does demonstrate that I have been truthful. Furthermore, I did not know nor had Scottistru stated that he had attempted to seer me. This means that when I responded, I had the perfect opportunity to lie. Furthermore, if I had lied, it would have allowed me to waste a seer. When I had no reason to be truthful at all, indeed, if I was what you think I am, I would have had reasons to lie, I told the truth.

10. I state:

Jpulice I would like for you to defend your townhood. Use all of the reasons you can. Please continue to link posts, it makes checking you much easier.

You state:

Huh, your asking for posts to check reasoning. Why so you can twist more words? I believe I’ve demonstrated your ability to do this, but you know this already. I’ll just have to pass on clearing myself to someone I believe is a wolf. I’ll just have to wait until its necessary.

My response:
First of all, you cannot be lynched until a majority is convinced of your guilt. Second, I do not believe that I have twisted your words at all. Why would you shy away from clearing yourself? You should still demonstrate why we should believe you are town. The detective has cleared you, but not completely (this post is here). Prove to us that you are not an indy.

I have more to say for cardz and several of you that asked me questions. However as I was writing this post, gallade demonstrated my point 6.

Vote: Benzo
Reasons: This is an almost guaranteed wolf kill. Unless gallade/benzo has drastically more to say. There are three possibilities:

One benzo is a wolf.
Two gallade is a wolf.
Three gallade's role was misdirected.

I find the third to be very unlikely seeing as there was nothing in the update about that occurring.

 

[thunderjolt]

I have a semi seer role.
Benzo is a wolf.
Can't really post right now just wanted to slip that in.
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GGG GCT ATG CGT ATT AAT AAT

Well I don't see how you could be lying without hurting yourself so,

VOTE: Benzo

Plus, If Ikrit is going through all this trouble to defend him/herself, I say we give Ikrit atleast another day to survive and for someone to seer him/her.

 

[Benzo]

brrrrrrrrrrrrvvvvvvvvvvvtttttt-

I have no defence- and this will be the last you read what I have to say for this game. It was a lot of fun, I look foreword to playing on here again.

wwwwwwwwwwlllllllllllffffffffffffffffrrrrrrrrlllllllll, xxxxxgggggssssssss

 

[King Piplup]

I have a semi seer role.
Benzo is a wolf.
Can't really post right now just wanted to slip that in.
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Well, based on this...

brrrrrrrrrrrrvvvvvvvvvvvtttttt-

I have no defence- and this will be the last you read what I have to say for this game. It was a lot of fun, I look foreword to playing on here again.

wwwwwwwwwwlllllllllllffffffffffffffffrrrrrrrrlllllllll, xxxxxgggggssssssss

And this...

Vote: Benzo

 

[DragonClyne725]

Well, since Benzo has no defense to gallade's accusations:

Vote: Benzo

 

[jellyfisher]

Unvote: Ikrit (I'm not done with you yet.)

Vote: Benzo

Okay, Benzo should not get anymore votes yet. He has the most votes and that is all we need. We don't want a wolf ending the day early.

GGG GCT ATG CGT ATT AAT AAT

Well I don't see how you could be lying without hurting yourself so,

VOTE: Benzo

Plus, If Ikrit is going through all this trouble to defend him/herself, I say we give Ikrit atleast another day to survive and for someone to seer him/her.

I guess you didn't read it/missed it. Ikrit has said (and correct me if I get anything wrong) that he is not able (or at least has a very low chance) to be looked at by a detective or seer.

Ikrit, since you have already revealed so much about your role, why don't you tell us everything about it? If you are a townie, then you will have nothing to lose by this.

 

[Absoltrainer]

PLAYERS REMAINING: 20
VOTES TO LYNCH: 11

Ikrit: 3 jpulice, PokeChampeofPokeBeach, Arcanine/Arbok Master
jpulice: 1 Cardzmaster2004
Benzo: 5Ikrit, thunderjolt, King Piplup, Dragonclyne725, jellyfisher

 

[pokemonfreak5]

Hi all. Staying on holiday over the new years break, but I got half an hour access at an Internet cafe, so I'll try and get everything accross.

1) My activity levels: I've addressed this before. This post herehttp://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=2121529&postcount=1281
Very little has changed. School's over thank heavens but my life is just hectic right now. I'm sure you'll all understand. I am going to make an endeavour to increase my activity, but this holiday has come at a really bad time. Once I get back my dedication to this game will definitely pick up.

2) I want to make a much more detailed post about my take on the events of the last few days. There's a few things that have cropped up the last few game days that seem to have been forgotten a bit, but I'd like to look into again.

3) On the matter of the lynch today. I'd definitely like to hear from gallade a bit more. The fact that he can throw it out there without any backing statements. I don't really see anyone being stupid enough to pull a move by lying like that. Benzo's submission seems to be a promising indicator. However does anyone else think this is a bit too easy...? Gallade comes out of the blue to post that, then Benzo just backs down. I'm not going to vote for him for the obvious reason that Jellyfisher pointed out, but I thnk we should spend as much time as necessary looking into this. Something doesn't seem right.

4) I will admit, I'm having trouble following the argument in regards to Ikrit. His posts are really hard to follow (when you skim read in an internet cafe), but it does give the feel that he's twisting words a bit. Definitely worth looking into more either today or tomorrow. Napoleon's comment about circular logic (1876) seems to apply a lot.

5) Napoleon. You claim to have info on Ikrit. The conclusion I gathered was that investigating Ikrit would return no info. If you are town (which I believe you are), and you have information that could help us, please reveal it. I think now is appropriate.

Thanks everyone for your patience. I'll try to get online before the day ends again, and vote if necessary, but for the moment this is all I have time for.

 

[toxictaipan]

@Absoltrainer: Is there going to be an extension or what?

@gallade: Can you confirm anyone not included on jellyfisher's list as town-aligned? Are there any contradictions between your list and his? Can you confirm Ikrit's description of his role to be accurate?

@Ikrit: I want an answer to post #1899 this Game Day.

Benzo, I swear if you're town-aligned I am going to rage.

 

[PokeChampofPokeBeach]

For now...

Unvote: Ikrit

While I still am not 100% convinced that you're innocent, Benzo is the better lead right now and keeping my vote is pointless. I will say one thing in your defense and that is that you have made very good counter-arguments against all attacks made against you, however I agree with jellyfisher I think it is time you reveal.

 

[Scottistru]

Vote: Benzo
I don't see any wolf quick-hammering, and I should be online one more time before the dead-line. I see no reason not to lynch him, as if he's town, we get a wolf in gallade.Also, I would like some time to analyze the jp vs. Ikrit debate, as well as review my own notes.
@Doc: I would suggest protecting gallade tonight; however, that doesn't mean you have to or should. We may be able to scare the wolfs away from killing him, and he can get off an investigation. I'd suggest using a random number generator to decide between all of the claimed seers, other than myself. Don't bother protecting me, unless you're pretty sure you can prevent a kill.
@gallade; Could you please claim the rest of your results before you are killed? However, if you are a pseudo seer, there is no need to role-flip people.

 

[jellyfisher]

Vote: Benzo@Doc: I would suggest protecting gallade tonight; however, that doesn't mean you have to or should. We may be able to scare the wolfs away from killing him, and he can get off an investigation. I'd suggest using a random number generator to decide between all of the claimed seers, other than myself. Don't bother protecting me, unless you're pretty sure you can prevent a kill.

If I am correct, only two people have claimed to be a seer/detective, myself and gallade. If gallade's information proves to be true (I think it will) then we will have two confirmed seers/detectives. The priest should make it more or less random, but I think that the wolves will risk more to kill me since gallade says that he has a semi seer role. But still, the priest should do what he thinks is the best choice. So I guess this doesn't really matter that much...

Might as well make updates to my list.

2. Redados1
10. Napoleon
15. PokeChampofPokeBeach
18. jpulice
19. Jellyfisher
27. gallade
28. Dragonclyne725
33. Arcanine/Arbok Master
34. Cardzmaster2004
36. Toxictapian
37.King Piplup

Neutral group:

41. Scottistru (I think that Scottistru might be town, but I could still be wrong.)
32. Thunderjolt
39. Spartacus
21. Sandslash7
38. LegendCallerL


Suspicious group:

22. Ikrit
25. theKing
35. PokemonFreak5
40. Benzo

I took out all of my old comments since I assumed everyone more or less understood my reasoning for the list.

Okay, there are a few players that I want to either hear from, or hear more from. TheKing, you still have not responded to my question, and its sort of important that you answer it. I'll just ask it again here so you don't have to go looking for it.

What room were you in last night, and are you force sensitive or not?

PokemonFreak5, are you force sensitive, or non force sensitive? I will also want to hear more from you once you are able to post more.

 

[gallade]

I can't provide any other roles from jellyfishers list, as my role is a nerfed seer with a few other roles. As far as priest protection I'm sure there are better candidates, but Im not going to turn it down
I'm just hoping my read was accurate, but from benzos last post, I'm not really doubting it.

Lmk if you need more information.
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[TheKing]

We also have to consider the posibility that gallade and benzo are both wolves and gallade is just getting rid of one to be confirmed town.

Also to answer jellyfisher's question, I am force sensitive but you haven't answered my question of what room you were in last night. Also could you tell me what makes it so important that you need to know whether people are force sensitive or not?