Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!

[Shinori]

Well if it matters I tried to shoot Azure kite two nights ago. That failed. Won't work with my ability I assume. Then I tried to cop inspect Eclipse last night and that also failed, also assuming that ability doesn't work with my ability.

Also Eclipse was tied up because of me using my role and that was explained way back when.

 

[vegitalian]

Well if it matters I tried to shoot Azure kite two nights ago. That failed. Won't work with my ability I assume. Then I tried to cop inspect Eclipse last night and that also failed, also assuming that ability doesn't work with my ability.

Also Eclipse was tied up because of me using my role and that was explained way back when.

OK, this is a lot of information to take in. Eclipse could be the Alpha if you weren't able to inspect him/her. What changed your mind of Eclipse from scummy to town? You said it was "something you read in one of Eclipse's posts", though did you actually get any valuable information back from tying him/her up?

There's limited time left, and I'd like to hear from Shinori and Eclipse, because I believe Shinori's story and Eclipse seems pretty suspect to me.

Vote: Eclipse

 

[DarthPika]

I would like Shinori to state EXACTLY what his role does if he would be so kind.

I would like to hear form Eclipse as well. Why did you not cast a vote for me the other day?

Vegi, I would like to be cautious of looking too much into a role not working, especially considering the nature of Shinori's role. I would like to hear more from both players before making any decisions on this.

I think it's possible that either Raiko or Entie might be anti town/wolf, considering it's a group of 3.

We shouldn't just ignore independents. It's possible that there ARE not wolves left, and we have a last man standing role. I think there's probably at least one wolf left, but we should leave this open to consideration.

For the time being, I will cast my vote. I'll reconsider what I want to do with it after I get more information from the players I asked questions to.

Vote: Eclipse

 

[pokemonfreak5]

I have some suspicions against Eclipse, but I do not quite have time to get them all up right now.

I will just make a correction to say that Eclipse was in the original group that voted DP after Vegi's reveal, so he was one of the votes against you when the day ended.

 

[xxumbreonxx]

Vegitillian: I honestly don't feel like explaining this again. I've already been questioned what exactly my role does, and I have answered to the best of my ability. If it's that important that you want to know the very specifics of my role, I would suggest looking through the past posts because I literally can't be seered xD

-I don't think Pokemon101 or Thunderjolt are anti town. Benzo was Suicune, the third legendary dog, and his win condition was town wins (if I remember correctly lol) so I don't see why they wouldn't have the same win condition. And someone said they could be lying about their claim? if they did wouldn't the REAL entei and rakiu speak up?

-Im just curious to why everyone is saying Eclipse is probably a wolf. I'm not defending him, but I think I missed something so can anyone explain? xD

 

[Shinori]

I can pick any role from a dead player and chose to use it at night. I cannot use the same role two nights in a row. I also abide by all the same rules and fallbacks that a role has. Like if a role says that it can only use it once then I can only use it once.

Not all roles work with my role. Which is what I more likely assume happened over the past two nights.

Also eclipse was only tied up because I had used mew's ability on her a long time ago. That has since faded. I originally though Eclipse might be scum because of her playstyle. I've played with her before and it seemed similar to a game in the past I've had with her. Then she said something that pinged highly town to me and struck me as something she only did in town games so I tossed that aside. Albeit I haven't kept up with this game to the best of my ability so my reads are all crap and I could be completely off. Thus why I tried to inspect her last night. I received nothing and when I pmed pika I was told my role failed due to unknown reasoning and that was why I had received no pm. I highly assume it is just because I can't use those abilities with my role. At least that's what I assume.

 

[eclipse]

I dislike cases with terrible reasoning. Here goes.

OK, this is a lot of information to take in. Eclipse could be the Alpha if you weren't able to inspect him/her. What changed your mind of Eclipse from scummy to town? You said it was "something you read in one of Eclipse's posts", though did you actually get any valuable information back from tying him/her up?

There's limited time left, and I'd like to hear from Shinori and Eclipse, because I believe Shinori's story and Eclipse seems pretty suspect to me.

Vote: Eclipse

It's about time you paid attention to me, given that I asked you multiple times the previous day phase what you wanted out of me. Why were you ignoring me?

Also, I have no idea why the inspection failed. Shinori targeted me successfully before, and the host was kind enough to confirm that.

I explained why I thought I should be tied up here.

Please don't waste today's votes on Schizo - he's probably independent.

If he's independent, then why are you objecting to his lynch?

I would like Shinori to state EXACTLY what his role does if he would be so kind.

I would like to hear form Eclipse as well. Why did you not cast a vote for me the other day?

Vegi, I would like to be cautious of looking too much into a role not working, especially considering the nature of Shinori's role. I would like to hear more from both players before making any decisions on this.

I think it's possible that either Raiko or Entie might be anti town/wolf, considering it's a group of 3.

We shouldn't just ignore independents. It's possible that there ARE not wolves left, and we have a last man standing role. I think there's probably at least one wolf left, but we should leave this open to consideration.

For the time being, I will cast my vote. I'll reconsider what I want to do with it after I get more information from the players I asked questions to.

Vote: Eclipse

Here's the last votal before the day ended. I see my name there.

I won't be around for phase end, due to DST shenanigans. In other words, if you're going to vote for me for whatever reason after this post, I will NOT be able to respond to it. I'd much rather have Schizo lynched, especially if there's suspicion of him not being town. Thus, my vote will stay put.

 

[vegitalian]

I will post more tonight when I get home from work.

xxUmbreonxx: You're right. I'll check your posts from before (I do remember you role revealing when you were under heat).

Eclipse: OK, we know why you were tied up, but what is your role in all of this?

For people questioning me not casting a vote on an independent, I will state this:

• Schizo stated that his win condition is to kill Outlaws
• We don't yet know the win condition of Enforcers or Outlaws, but perhaps they're against each other?
• If this is the case, there are likely 4 of each (if not more), meaning that if we get a Schizo lynch, someone will get their win condition
• Mine is a Town Wins win condition, so I'm going to go after wolves, not independents
• If we focus on independents, the wolves will go after "Town Wins" players, which are now easier to spot, and the werewolves will win

Voting for Schizo is a very anti-town thing to do.

 

[DarthPika]

Here's the last votal before the day ended. I see my name there.

I won't be around for phase end, due to DST shenanigans. In other words, if you're going to vote for me for whatever reason after this post, I will NOT be able to respond to it. I'd much rather have Schizo lynched, especially if there's suspicion of him not being town. Thus, my vote will stay put.

My mistake, I just noticed my error. You're reply was good enough for me for the time being.

Considering Eclipse won't be around for the rest of the day in order to respond to posts, I feel it may be in our best interests to go after someone else who will actually be able respond. I currently think there isn't enough information here to push the Eclipse lynch. I would much rather wait until we can get more information before lynching him/her. If nothing else, I would like to know more about what kind of role he/she has.

Right now we need as much information about people as possible. People need to start talking. Just because we have the win with in sight doesn't mean we can slack off and relax. We have to keep playing well, or the wolves could still potentially win.

I agree that Schizo is lowish priority at the moment. We shouldn't disregard the possibility that he may be anti town. I know what he said. That doesn't mean we should have any reason to believe it.
Unvote: Eclipse

Vote: ThunderJolt


Thunderjolt, now it's your turn. Why didn't you vote for me yesterday? As a townie, you would have nothing to lose, and here's why:

1) If I'm a liar and a wolf, I die. Win for the Town.

2) If I'm truthful and townie, a wolf dies. Win for the Town

3) If I'm truthful and townie and AK is townie, there's only a 20% chance my move works, if not I die: Not as great, but the town still gets a HUGE amount of information from this scenario.

All of these scenarios are very clearly good for the town. I can't think of a single instance where it would be good for the town to NOT have me lynched. This is currently pointing to you not being town. Furthermore you never voted for Azure Kite, now proven to be a wolf. I think you have a lot of explaining to do.

I do not currently have time to do so, but if anyone has free time I think it would be very good to look over Thunderjolts past posting history and see how he interacted with players we now know to have been wolves. If nothing else, his voting history would be very helpful. I'll try to get around to it later, but I can't guarantee I'll have time.

 

[Pikamaster]

VOTE COUNT:
13 Remaining
7 to lynch

Schizo- 1 (Eclipse)

Shinori- 1 (xxumbreonxx)

Eclipse- 1 (Vegitalian)

Thunderjolt- 1 (DarthPika)

 

[vegitalian]

"Of the three legendary beasts, Raikou is said to represent the lightning strike which ignited the fire that consumed the Brass Tower." -Quote from Bulbapedia

Thunderjolt, why didn't you participate in DarthPika's lynch?

 

[PikaJewel]

The following people voted for Azure Kite late in the game (more unlikely since there are such few wolves left):
kirbyking
pokemonplayer101 (voted him twice - once during the jpulice no-lynch)
darthpika
pokemonrocks777

voted DarthPika after knowing he would target Azure Kite:
xxumbreonxx
Pikajewel
pokemonfreak5

Players remaining:
Shinori
Thunderjolt
Eclipse
Schizo (independent)
Benson

I'd also like to ask pokemonrocks777 about his role. While he was one of the players that voted Azure Kite, there's not much else showing him leaning town.

Further to my comment about Entei/Raikou, I'm more inclined to think thunderjolt is a wolf than Pokemonplayer101 based on the above info (not saying he is, but if one of them is, it's likely him).

Please don't waste today's votes on Schizo - he's probably independent.

I can agree with this.

"Of the three legendary beasts, Raikou is said to represent the lightning strike which ignited the fire that consumed the Brass Tower." -Quote from Bulbapedia

Thunderjolt, why didn't you participate in DarthPika's lynch?

This could be something to bring against him it could not, I wouldn't jump to conclusions to fast, but you do have a good idea there.... Maybe we should look at some of the in actives.

 

[pokemonfreak5]

Eclipse said something yesterday that I felt warrants bringing up again. This bit here:

...

Pokemonplayer101: A hindsight apology does not excuse the previous day's behavior. However, I agree with Pikajewel's logic that Raikou/Entei are less likely to be wolves, because wolves in what seems to be a mason group is rather, uh. . .well, no, that kind of language will get me banned. It's not something that I'd bank on a good host doing. On pure role spec, I'm willing to let that go.

(and on an unrelated note, the last sentence in Suicune's PM is amusing)

...

I found this part of this post really quite interesting. I would consider the fact of one of the legendary dogs to being a wolf to be a very real possibility, opening up a lot of interesting and not necessarily un-balanced possibilities. The role as it stands is not particularly broken, and would be no more broken in scum hands. In my mind they are just as likely to be wolves as anyone else who is yet to be confirmed.
So why is Eclipse so blatantly saying that this should not be considered, and in such interesting language. It seems like you are trying to impart your thoughts on us, without it seeming like you are doing so.

I had a bit more of a skim through Eclipse's posts and admittedly there's not much else there that makes me read scum. Nor do I think this on it's own is a scumtell. But it's definitely worth keeping in mind. It could be useful if one of the dogs do turn out to be scum.

Also, notice the difference the order in which we follow this up makes.
If we lynch Eclipse now and he flips wolf, one of the dogs look scummy. However this is just as likely to be a clever plant from Eclipse than an actual slip. We could waste 2 lynches on potentially innocent townies.
However, if we lynch one of the dogs and they DO flip wolf, all of a sudden Eclipse looks pretty bad as well, with almost no chance of it being planted.

Definitely want to her more from/about TJ. However I don't think we ever got to the bottom of why PP101 was so eager to bring DP to L-1?

 

[pokemonplayer101]

However I don't think we ever got to the bottom of why PP101 was so eager to bring DP to L-1?

I've said all that I can say:

• I truly thought DarthPika was scum.
  
• I got overeager and started posting crap.
  
• I'm getting the necessary hate for it, and should probably receive more.

Lynch me if you want, but I'm saying the truth. I screwed up. Sorry. :/

 

[vegitalian]

I've said all that I can say:

• I truly thought DarthPika was scum.
  
• I got overeager and started posting crap.
  
• I'm getting the necessary hate for it, and should probably receive more.

Lynch me if you want, but I'm saying the truth. I screwed up. Sorry. :/

If we're going to lynch one of the legendary dogs, I would much rather go for Thunderjolt. There's limited time left, and we need to agree on someone.

Honestly, I think Eclipse is the best call since Shinori got nothing back from him/her. On top of that, Eclipse didn't reveal anything about his/her role. Azure Kite acted the same way when asked, avoiding the subject altogether.

1st Pick: Eclipse
2nd Pick: Thunderjolt

pokemonfreak5 raises some good points.

 

[pokemonfreak5]

Well then, time for some ultimatums, seeing as we're again, running short on time.

Eclipse: Please give us something to work with about your role. The more that you think is safe to do so the better.

Thunderjolt: Please provide us with reasons for why you are town and not scum.

If either of you do not reply as requested this will be looked upon as being uncompliant and will likely result in some votes.

Also as a note. Someone mentioned Raikou symbolizing the lightening bolt that started the fire. Well Entei represents the burning/flames of the fire (obviously). So in my mind that doesn't really leave either of them seeming more harmful than the other, based on background info alone. I don't think we can really apply any logic in that regards.

 

[vegitalian]

Well then, time for some ultimatums, seeing as we're again, running short on time.

Eclipse: Please give us something to work with about your role. The more that you think is safe to do so the better.

Thunderjolt: Please provide us with reasons for why you are town and not scum.

If either of you do not reply as requested this will be looked upon as being uncompliant and will likely result in some votes.

Also as a note. Someone mentioned Raikou symbolizing the lightening bolt that started the fire. Well Entei represents the burning/flames of the fire (obviously). So in my mind that doesn't really leave either of them seeming more harmful than the other, based on background info alone. I don't think we can really apply any logic in that regards.

I agree - though Suicune dowsed the flames, so if anything, Suicune is the most likely to lean town of the three. This supports the theory that one of them might be a wolf.

 

[DarthPika]

I would appreciate it if the people in question would actually get on to post. Eclipse at least said that they would be gone for the time being. Thunderjolt seemed to drop off the face of the earth.

 

[Pikamaster]

If Schizo and Pokemonrocks777 do not post during this game day they run the risk of being modkilled. And from past examples, you know how that'll turn out for you.

 

[thunderjolt]

I would appreciate it if the people in question would actually get on to post. Eclipse at least said that they would be gone for the time being. Thunderjolt seemed to drop off the face of the earth.

I kind of have to wait for pp101 to post before I can post.......what do you expect me to do that won't get me modkilled? To answer your previous question, I simply didn't vote for you on the fact that I wasn't online at the right time.......which is less than a day from what I can see.

To be honest, I don't suspect anyone of being a wolf. If I had to pick some on-edge players....I'd say PF5....maybe eclipse (meh).

Also DP can you explain your role more in depth? I don't exactly understand why you lived the lynch and were able to kill a wolf. Is this a 1 time role, or can we do this everyday (as in, can our town use your role all the time)?

VOTE: eclipse

Reasons: pp101 thinks he is scummy, other's do too, I'm pretty sure pp101 is town, I'm really just voting here in case pp101 doesn't post again, and I don't get to post.......may change to pf5 if some more think he is also scummy.