Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!

@SS7-
I thought that as well with Tables, I actually was going to get to that point as well, as I am waiting on his reply. So, I also would like to add that bit of insightfullness that needs to be brought to the Table of conversation (yup, a mini pun, woo-hoo!) Anyways, Just because tha game is large does not mean that we need to look into multiple threats unless evidence or proof comes to light- it seems odd to cast suspicion of something that has yet to be determined in the game so soon.
 
(Now I'm on my phone so can't quote as easily, please bear with me)

Oh, wait, I missed something.

Vote: PokemonPlayer101

Why? He simply went with the bandwagon, and provided absolutely none of his own thoughts. Jpulice at least asked questions, and ProHawk and absoltrainer gave their own reasons, but this is just plain "I'm voting you because other people are."

I'm going to sleep now, so I'll answer things in the morning.
 
Sorry about that, Unvote: Vablakes

Let's go in order, shall we?:

jpulice: Agrees with ProHawk. Gets bandwagon going. Asks questions. Something very typical of jpulice from what I've seen, so no comment here except an answer to his question:

I unvoted because a) It's a pressure vote that is no longer necessary, and b) because I made an honest mistake in thinking that Vablakes was role fishing.
Trying to take back your scummy mistake, OK, keep going...

HD said:
PokemonPlayer101: Two words. Pressure. Vote. I have no plans to get Vablakes lynched, especially this early in the day.
Changing your story, alright...

HD said:
Absoltrainer: I'm going to address points one by One.

1. That's my personality. It's just the way I act in general (although, I don't think I was being cocky.
I'll give ya this one, you didn't seem cocky to me whatsoever.

HD said:
2. Okay, so I didn't quote it. Sometimes, I just read things, and immediately make a post about it, even if it was 5 pages earlier. I'll admit, something I need to work on.
Yes, please do work on that, because as the game spreads out, the more posts and discussion there is (for the most part), and if you don't quote something that's 2 or 3 pages back, it's quite confusing to tell what you mean.

HD said:
3. Now this part, I do find interesting. Although, actually, this is still my personality; I'm a teacher at heart. I'll admit, it definitely wasn't the best idea in the world.
Not the best idea in the world? Yeah, no, probably not.

HD said:
For the record, none of the 4 people voting me are particularly scummy.
This one is a bit.... confusing. It shows that we have good reasons for voting him, but he wants to make it seem like his mistake was sincere.

Now, putting myself in his shoes, if the mistake was sincere, then this situation would really suck, as he would be getting voted for an honest mistake.

But the more I think about that statement, the more it seems like WIFOM. He could be trying to get us to think that, so that we would take a guilt trip and unvote him. But he could also be trying to prove that it was honest.


All in all, my vote stands.
 
@SS7 You know very well set-up spec is something we all think about and don't really talk about it. It's like the relative we all have (oh I have much better analogy but rated: G it is). The better question here I think is:
Tables, please explain your previous WW/mafia experience.
Also I agree with your thoughts on the imped.
 
Activity post woo!

Oh wait, you guys want me to contribute huh. *sigh* Fine.

Okay first of all school excuses blah blah blah etc. etc.

Okay! Now that that's out of the way, let's begin a real post!

Vote: Vablakes

My case? He was role fishing. If you are a power role and say what roles you think might be a game, you might end up slipping your own role, which is not what we want.

Speaking of power roles, I want to say something REALLY important. Do not, and I repeat, do not claim unless it is clear that you will be lynched if you do not. (I.E. Don't claim just because someone is voting for you. Only claim if the lynchhammer is definitely coming down on you)

Now, I'd like to put out some important advice for all town players, regardless of role:

When you read a post, put yourself in that person's shoes. Say to yourself, "If I was that player, would I say that if I was Town? Werewolf? Lone?" This is an efficient way to find scum.

Don't bother with policy lynches. It isn't worth reducing the amount of town players for any reason. If they happen to be scummy, that is of course a different story entirely.

Don't play scummy. Sounds obvious, I know, but it happens. Some people do this to avoid nightkills, but it might end up biting you in the butt later when you are forced to claim or get lynched. This is particularly true for Vanilla Townies, since you have no claim to save you, but PRs should avoid doing this like the plague.

Don't lie. The situations where lying is a good idea are few and far between. It makes people suspicious of you unless you can prove it was for a calculated risk.

Don't go down quietly. If you are getting lynched, defend yourself until the end. Self-hammering in particular is a no-no. Letting yourself get lynched without argument is playing against your win condition.

Find towntells as well as scumtells. A lot of people focus on just finding the scum and getting rid of them, but sometimes, finding a pro-town player can be just as helpful. This also allows you to add process of elimination to your ways of finding scum.

Don't bother with meta-reads or post-by-post analyses. I know that seems like a weird thing to say, but all this is doing is going into something knowing your conclusion already, and stretching a bunch of quotes to fit said conclusion. Post-by-post analyses in particular are a waste of time.

Try to avoid putting too much into one post. If someone is skimming the thread, it's unlikely they are going to read everything you say in a gigantic post. Say what you think is important, and nothing more than that.

Remember that you aren't trying to convince another player that they're scum. You're trying to convince everyone else that said player is scum. Arguing directly at them is pointless. Explain to everyone why you think they are scum.

Don't defend yourself too much. Too much of anything is a bad thing. Overly defending yourself distracts you from actively finding out scum. That isn't to say don't defend yourself, by all means do. Just keep in mind that if you are town, you know you are town and you should be looking for the scum, not worrying about keeping up a defense.

Don't think you know the whole scumteam. Chances are, you don't, especially if you have no information on said scum. Don't make up connections until someone has flipped scum, at which point you can try to find connections to other players.

Don't vote for people you don't think are scum. This should be obvious. Don't follow a wagon on someone who you truly think is town. Remember that no one except the scum themselves are certain who the scum is. Stand by what you believe, and don't let others tell you otherwise. At the same time, don't close yourself off to other opinions.

I feel like I forgot something, but maybe it'll come to me later.
First of all, he says not to post gigantic posts in a gigantic post.

When he says not to self-hammer, he says it is against your win condition, not our win condition.

Also, saying not to bother with post-by-post analysis or meta reads seems scummy to me.


Vote: Human Destroyer
 
@thunderjolt. Prohawk knows what I'm talking about, I would provide you the link but it's to an offsite completed game. Also why do you think my play from last game is now meta? *coughWIFOMcough*

I don't know to classify it as "meta?" or not, I was moreover going on Cabd's comprehensive scum tells.

If a player says that somebody is a townie without using "if" or acting like there's any chance a player is not, and that player has not been cleared by a known seer, the person leaving these words out is likely mafia. This read is low priority but rises in severity quickly if it becomes a pattern.

As a rule, town players are not sure of anyone else's alignment, whereas mafia players know who the town is. Of note, an inexperienced seer can also make this error in the early game.

Now, obviously, your statement was not clearing him as town, because you used the word "leans." However, what did concern me was your use of "yeah" and the exclamation mark.
 
I don't know to classify it as "meta?" or not, I was moreover going on Cabd's comprehensive scum tells.



Now, obviously, your statement was not clearing him as town, because you used the word "leans." However, what did concern me was your use of "yeah" and the exclamation mark.

At first I though paranoia, but now I'm thinking it's fake. Humpff.. Are you a wolf?
 
First of all, he says not to post gigantic posts in a gigantic post.

When he says not to self-hammer, he says it is against your win condition, not our win condition.

Also, saying not to bother with post-by-post analysis or meta reads seems scummy to me.


Vote: Human Destroyer

How is making a slightly big post (there has definitely been bigger ones) which somewhat contradicts what he says grounds for voting someone? Also, the statements were directed at a person that is town so there really isn't anything wrong with it. You can't say you're suspiscious about something without saying why, there's no way he can defend against a statement like that since you've provided no reasoning as to why it's suspsious.

You're saying that simple things such as word choice is enough to get someone lynched. It feels like you just wanted to jump on the bandwagon but you knew you had to provide some reasons.

Vote: StrongRhino
 
Posting to let you guys know I'm here. Please don't start jumping on me for inactivity.... I'm not feeling very well at the moment and am going to bed. I'll try and read over the game and make a post tomorrow. I'll be fairly more active after December 16th, once my finals are over. Until then, I'll post as I'm able to.
 
Vote: Human Destroyer
Reason: Many people have already given well thought out reasons that make a lot of sense to me, wolves want to make themselves seem friendly, posting anything that will convince others that they aren't wolves.
 
I really don't know guys. I'm just gonna state the obvious.

Scorri wasn't posting like that before. Speaking in third person could be a way for her to not slip and say something wolf-like. Like the common "Your" instead of "Our" when referring to the town. I dunno, fishy, but not enough to get my vote just yet. Much more of the whole third person will get my vote.

The Human Destroyer situation is interesting. He could be trying to put information out there for all the noobs, or he could be trying to make it look that way so that he seems pro-town. The whole voting for me thing is understandable, it did seem like I was role fishing, and I'll admit that it did look that way. He could have been just trying to put pressure on to see how I would react, or he could have been trying to start a bandwagon to get me lynched.

I just love how jpulice says that prohawk already leans town. (see post 213). It's just like he wants us to not be suspicious of prohawk. For that reason:

FoS:
Scorri
Human Destroyer
jpulice (gimme that link to the offsite game and I'll remove you and prohawk)
prohawk
 
Vote: Human Destroyer
Reason: Many people have already given well thought out reasons that make a lot of sense to me, wolves want to make themselves seem friendly, posting anything that will convince others that they aren't wolves.

So your reason for voting for him is that other people have given reasons? This is a complete bandwagon post.
 
How is making a slightly big post (there has definitely been bigger ones) which somewhat contradicts what he says grounds for voting someone? Also, the statements were directed at a person that is town so there really isn't anything wrong with it. You can't say you're suspiscious about something without saying why, there's no way he can defend against a statement like that since you've provided no reasoning as to why it's suspsious.

You're saying that simple things such as word choice is enough to get someone lynched. It feels like you just wanted to jump on the bandwagon but you knew you had to provide some reasons.

Vote: StrongRhino

I admit, the first one was more of an annoyance.
The second one, however, seems to seperate him from the town.
The third is basically saying not to try to find wolves by using these methods, therefore reducing the chances of finding a wolf.
As for bandwagoning, we need 23 people to vote for someone. Nothing is going to get done if we all vote for different people.
 
I just love how jpulice says that prohawk already leans town. (see post 213). It's just like he wants us to not be suspicious of prohawk. For that reason:

FoS:
jpulice (gimme that link to the offsite game and I'll remove you and prohawk)

I placed him leans town you don't have to (figure that out yourself).

on MS search for NY game 159 Rust (enjoy the read, I'm paid pyro for reference, ummm and if you can figure out who prohawk is..... )

Also answer my question in 213.
 
If anything- Human Destroyer seems jumpy and sort of all over the place, but Rhino's post now gives me a stronger negative vibe then Tables posting did.
Although Table needs to explain and right now to me does not warrent a solid vote but a possible pressure one- Rhino has my vote. (3DS will not let me bold, when I can I will)-
Rhino twisted words, voted against that player to draw attention to while using word twisting to support the cause- just all around bad points to show reason for others to vote on flimsy grounds.

@Jpluic- meh, looks to me as if you and T-jolt are just standing grounds in a specific definition “war” with terms on a guidebook/- I think neither of you are going to get far with it as I think your both correct in minor ways on the issue.
 
Ok, I believe you. My FoS is off of you and prohawk now. I would answer your question, but I don't understand just what you are trying to ask me. Perhaps different wording?
 
I am not done catching up yet, but there s something I should get out there

the fact is I should not be targeted at night

if you still want to target me, consider it your own loss

Hey all, I don't have a lot of time for a large post, but just want to make a few points.

Why are we still random voting? We have plenty of information to go off of. Lets get out of RVS now.

I look at the thread and my role PM, and I see no such info
##Vote: Prohawk

and what is this plenty of info you have, care to share?
 
Is it just me, or does it seem like what Crimsonsky just did is a really bad idea? I mean, if you are on our side, wouldn't you want the wolves to target you at night if your role damages them in some way? Revealing that they shouldn't target you at night would only help them.

FoS: Crimsonsky.
 
Is it just me, or does it seem like what Crimsonsky just did is a really bad idea? I mean, if you are on our side, wouldn't you want the wolves to target you at night if your role damages them in some way? Revealing that they shouldn't target you at night would only help them.

FoS: Crimsonsky.

I think Crimson doesn't want the Seer to be killed or something by him. What confuses me is that there is not enough info to get out of RVs. Why do you say this, Crimson? It doesn't make sense. Also, there is something I have in my mind. I think KingPiplup, Cabd, and Akane are a whole faction and they got the information of the other faction as well. I'm trusting myself on this one.

Vote: homeofmew
 
Sorry I haven't been active lately. The first time I caught a break from work, I found the game frozen :nonono:

the fact is I should not be targeted at night

if you still want to target me, consider it your own loss

Ok, so you are either a wolf trying to escape being seer'd at Night early on, or you have some sort of retaliation role that activates when targeted. If you are a Townie with a retaliation role, I don't see the point of you telling the wolves this information. Maybe I'm missing something, but there's really no point in your stating this Day 1.

Either way, I'm going to have to give you the finger.

Angry Pointy Finger: Crimsonsky

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I figured it was probably something that didn't actually have to do with the game.
scorri had some points, but now she forgets them due to the game being frozen. She's going to go reread the thread and hopefully get a post up later. She will say that ProHawks about G landers role fishing is interesting and she'll have to look into that.

Um...yeah, not buying it.

Vote: scorri

Reason: Faking a speech impediment

The mod not posting a public warning for you makes it seem even more fake. Any reason for faking the imped?

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Vote: Human Destroyer
Reason: Many people have already given well thought out reasons that make a lot of sense to me, wolves want to make themselves seem friendly, posting anything that will convince others that they aren't wolves.
Wow, "I'm voting because others have posted good reasons". If you're going to make a vote, at least add in some input of your own.

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StrongRhino said:
As for bandwagoning, we need 23 people to vote for someone. Nothing is going to get done if we all vote for different people.
True, but we can't all just jump on to the first vote that pops up that looks the most promising. We need to find a lynch that the majority of us agree on, which I admit will be difficult, but most likely won't appear until near the end of the Day.
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Human Destroyer said:
Post-by-post analyses in particular are a waste of time.
Can you explain this comment you made? Are you saying that we shouldn't be looking back through posts in order to establish reads? Maybe I'm just misinterpreting what you said.
 
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