Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!

[ProHawk]

Ok, Waynegg, I will try to explain it how I see it. I didn't write the tell, but here is my interpretation.

Plurality

"We think XYZ is scum because of ABC reasons" Note the use of the word "we". A town player is alone. If you use somebody using the word "we" or "us" chances are you've found scum. Please note that this read is null if the player claims mason under duress. Still, keep it in mind. Especially if the town already had a pair of masons claimed or dead.

Strength: 60 (90 second instance, 100 third and beyond)

You have to understand that the word "we" can have different meanings depending on the context. You can say an all inclusive "we" like we-everyone. You can also say we-you+any number of other people. For example if you and I agreed on a specific subject and you were writing about it, you would use the word we (ProHawk and I). Using it this way would not be a scum-tell because I would have already posted my thoughts and you know yours thus we would be an acceptable use of the term. Context of when a player uses "we" is crucial.

Look at the example "We think XYZ is scum because of ABC reasons". Unfortunately the example doesn't give much in the way of context, but I think the only way for it to be an actual scum-tell is if someone uses we ambiguously (like you wouldn't be able to tell who the "we" includes). The person would have to be unconsciously referring to the we-scum team.

All of DC's uses of "we" that you pointed out are clearly referring to we-everyone. The way he used the word "we" is not a scum-tell.

 

[SMP88]

The point is (as is clearly pointed out in the guide I quoted) the usage of collective adverbs (such as "We") is a great scum tell, especially when used almost exclusively. CABD even rates this tell as one of the highest and most likely to yield good results:

And you're well beyond your third instance.

I voted you because I think you're a wolf. Then your partner SMP chimes in and I'm like-oh wow, another wolf, which do I vote for. There were some posts by others that gave plausible explanations for you so I changed my vote. THEN I went back over every one of your posts. In all but 2 of them (until I pointed it out at least) you wrote in the plural- TOWNIES DON'T DO THAT, not to the extent you have.

Now I AM CERTAIN you are a wolf so I put my vote back on ya.

I hate when people put responses in quotes. It makes it a pain to respond to since quotes don't cascade here. Anyway, here's a section from the post I quoted above

It is, and here's why- 2 people with very real scum heat on them (you and SMP88) gang up, vote for me, and coerce others (could they be wolves as well, hmm...) to follow your lies. THAT'S AS OBVIOUS AS A WOLF WAGON GETS.

Waynegg, please show me where I voted for you. Also, please show me where I coerce others to vote for you. I'll be here all day.

Your plurality argument is also bad. I've used "we" multiple times to refer to everyone as a group, many others have done the same. Why have you just gone after DC725 about it?

 

[thunderjolt]

Waynegg, what’s with all this defensiveness and vote swapping? I know that you are a pretty confident person since I’ve traded/played cards with you, but you just seem to be overly confident in your opinion, yet you then switch to someone else with just a few posts in between. Also, you didn’t really use cabd’s scumtell correctly, so it seems to me like you are really pushing to just lynch anyone.

I’m going to have to:

VOTE: WAYNEGG

However, it also seems as if you really may be scumhunting. Thus, I will not tell you to stop pressuring, because I want to see if your “plan” will pan out. If it does lead to someone else looking really scummy, then I will unvote you—or I will if I find someone that looks scummier.

 

[waynegg]

Waynegg, what about the quote I posted? I'm surprised you didn't respond to that. By your logic, we should be looking into you for that. (I typed that sentence and then realized there was a "we" in it. For the record, I don't think the "we" argument is a good one. I think you're reading into something that isn't there.)

I did respond to you. I said "Looking back over it, you're right. I need to tighten up ". Guess you missed that.

All of DC's uses of "we" that you pointed out are clearly referring to we-everyone. The way he used the word "we" is not a scum-tell.

Ah. Understood. I spammed all of the times he used "we" in an attempt to have everyone go back, read his posts, and make your own decision. I don't try to tell people how to vote. You want specific examples where he used a subconcious "we" so you don't have to spend the time looking for them yourself...

If we focus on taking out Indies, the Wolves will just eat us for breakfast. I suggest we focus on scum hunting, but keep an eye on our Pokemon friends.

To Sum it Up: I believe we should focus on finding the Wolves, and not get distracted with the different groups, as we do not know their motives/goals as of yet. Honestly, TheKing, I see your statement about not wanting to prioritize finding Wolves as rather scummy.

But the point is that we do not know if our Pokemon are anti-Town.

We have very little knowledge about the Enforcers or the Pokemon groups.

It was merely a fact I was pointing out for those saying we should go after the Indies we could find and not prioritize finding Wolves, which I completely disagree with.

But at this point what I think is more telling is DC725's abrupt stoppage in using collective pronouns all together since I pointed it out.

Waynegg, please show me where I voted for you.

You haven't voted for me. I was wrong on that.

Waynegg, what’s with all this defensiveness and vote swapping?.

The defensiveness is how I have always played this game. Go back and look at my previous games and you'll see that. I already explained why I changed votes in this case, and also pointed out that again that isn't out of character to how I play this game. Just look up a few posts if you want to read the explanation.

 

[Glaceon]

For the plurality argument, 'we' can refer to the town or voters as a whole.

When I say "we" I refer to all the townies, though I don't know who they are.


I do not think plurality can be a basis for changing back. It is a weak argument and my vote stays.

 

[SMP88]

The defensiveness is how I have always played this game. Go back and look at my previous games and you'll see that. I already explained why I changed votes in this case, and also pointed out that again that isn't out of character to how I play this game. Just look up a few posts if you want to read the explanation.

Playing defensively is a fair way to play this game, except that's not how you play it according to a previous post. (950) Bolding mine.

I play this game the same every time I play it- aggressively. All I want to say is lynch me and you'll lynch a town role and a good player who consistently sniffs out wolves EARLY on.

If people decide to play TL/DR follow the leader with this small bandwagon and I'm lynched, once I'm confirmed town you should pursue those started this fiasco as I gurantee no less than 3 non town roles envolved at least one of which is a wolf. They are:

Dragonclyne725
SMP88
Benzo
Pokemonfreak5
Glaceon (who voted for me just because I changed my votes frequently... like I always do... like he was just grasping for a reason to jump on the wagon)

You really need to quit flip-flopping on everything. You just keep digging a bigger and bigger hole for yourself.

UNVOTE: VABLAKES
VOTE: WAYNEGG

 

[Sandslash7]

Ah. Understood. I spammed all of the times he used "we" in an attempt to have everyone go back, read his posts, and make your own decision. I don't try to tell people how to vote. You want specific examples where he used a subconcious "we" so you don't have to spend the time looking for them yourself...

The last three of these seem to me to be clearly speaking about town collective. Any village member would use the same verbiage. You seem to be stretching.



But at this point what I think is more telling is DC725's abrupt stoppage in using collective pronouns all together since I pointed it out. Not necessarily. What is the first thing someone will do if they are called out for doing something scummy? Stop it. It matters not what their alignment is. Whether townie, indie or wolf all would stop something that is being used as "evidence against them" in an ongoing debate. This isn't very telling at all.

Please read the bold.



You are basing an important point of your case on Cabd's scumtells. One thing you must realize is the fact that these are the opinions of one player. Most importantly the percentage is incredibly subjective. This is just like theorymon. Just like how someone can claim that the Dragtrode vs Rocklock matchup is 70-30 in one thread and another player claim it is 50-50 in the same thread, these percentages are Cabd's opinion based on his own playing experience. I believe that we must take these percentages with a grain of salt.


These scumtells are not intended to be the end-all-be-all of scum hunting, but be something to stimulate higher-level play through the elucidation of commonly occuring tactics and other features. As I denoted above a town member can easily use plurality pronouns in their posting and be completely justified in doing so.


The best way to utilize Cabd's contributions to the game is to apply it adjunctively to one's own experience, taking into account one's own scum-hunting, as well as thoughtfully consider the game's setup and the playstyles and personality of the other players. They are not a one-size fits-all-guaranteed-catch.





DC725 ~ Your post 951 states that waynegg directly called you a wolf (your second point) and then in the same post states that the reasons against you aren't as strong as those against SMP88. Waynegg did NOT directly call you a wolf.

Thanks for linking the post so that we could immediately see that you misquoted him.

 

[DragonClyne725]

DC725 ~ Your post 951 states that waynegg directly called you a wolf (your second point) and then in the same post states that the reasons against you aren't as strong as those against SMP88. Waynegg did NOT directly call you a wolf.

Thanks for linking the post so that we could immediately see that you misquoted him.

The quote that I put a link to was in reference to the sentence right before the link, where waynegg said he had solid reasoning against me, but then said the reasoning against me wasn't as solid as SMP88's. The post where he directly called me a Wolf was post #884:

By inferring that jellyfisher was killed by a non-town you are, de-facto, saying that he was pro-town (because logically bad people kill good people).

Something else interesting (which I admittedly didn't pick up on earlier; thanks for having me revisit these posts) is that you immediately jumped to "Enforcer or other indie" as being his killer. Why not wolf? Maybe because you have info to KNOW FOR SURE wolves didn't kill him?

Yep. You're a wolf, and you have my vote regardless of how this day plays out.

I agree that this may have been his trying to draw me out and see my response, but still, you can't get more direct than saying "You're a wolf".

DC725 provides examples of what he wants you to see. He doesn't quote the entire conversation (multiple posts) to put it into context, nor does he quote the numerous times I said I wasn't certain he was a wolf. This- "Yep. You're a wolf, and you have my vote regardless of how this day plays out." is nothing more than fishing for a response.

...says the person who just took a bunch of my quotes and cut them out of context so my usage of "we" could be seen easily. I took the lines that I found and didn't quote the entire post in order to not make the post ginormous, most likely the same reason you took the lines that used "we" out and only posted the one sentence.

 

[JewelQuest]

Sorry I haven't been posting, been rather busy of late, but I plan to keep on going with this anyway.

The more I read Waynegg's posts, the more I feel that he is scum. Some of his posts really make me take a couple of steps back and wonder what he is thinking, if he is townie. If he is wolf, then it is quite obvious what he is thinking. So, I have a few things to say to him.

@waynegg:Here are your stated reasons for lynching DragonClyne, as of post 922.

1. He has subtly advocated getting rid of non-town, but also non-wolf, players from early on this game day gently urging the masses to seal the deal and end the game day early. It's very subtle and well played, but it's there all the same if you care to study his posts since the game resumed. He later comes out and flip-flops on this saying we should concentrate on wolves. In post 864 he starts out with go for wolves, and then try to find and eliminate any +1 NK first, and then finally back to focusing on wolves. All in the same post.

Everybody flip-flops once in a while, depending on the events of the game. Its kinda hard not to change your opinion on something or someone when you've gained new information.

2. He obviously has info on the night kills which would most likely be because he's either a wolf or the one who killed the other. Either that or he has an ability that allows him to watch other player's night actions. From the way he's responded though, it feels more like the type of info from taking an active role in the killing.

Obviously has info? Where in any of his posts is it OVBIOUS that he has info on the night kills? He's just assuming that that kirby was the wolf night kill, which may or may not be right.

And then, after posting all that, you post this:

That said, what there is on DC is nowhere nearly as solid as what there is on SMP. Playing the better odds here:

Unvote: Dragonclyne725

VOTE: SMP88

Wait...What?

You answer to Benzo's prompting with this in post 936.

As to changing my vote. What of it? I think both show signs of being anti-town, but as pokefreak5 pointed out (quoted below) SMP88 feels more concrete than Dragonclyne. The lol of it is, that for seeing things from his point of view he decides to bandwagon a vote my way just after you voted for me

And your vote wasn't a bandwagon at all. /sarcasm

Please quote where I said I was CERTAIN you are a wolf. If you can't then it never happened. At this point in the game you can't be certain about anyone other than yourself

Several people have already quoted this...But:

Yep. You're a wolf, and you have my vote regardless of how this day plays out.

Sounds pretty CERTAIN to me.

I feel that your little fit about DragonClyne using 'we' a bunch is a little...odd. Classic wolf trying to use stupid/notquitesostupidbutstillstupid tactics to try and take down a townie? You've used 'we' and 'us' just as much as he has. I think everyone in this game has.

And then you post this in post 956...

At the end of the day, my win condition is town wins. Lynch me and put the wolves that much closer to thei win condition. I'm positive I was seered in the night phase (because *someone* paraphrased my role...nope *someone* I didn't miss that). Whether they are town or not is another story. Though I won't reveal my role, I will out the seer if it gets down to crunch time and it looks like I need to.

Wait just a second...You are threatening to out the seer if we try to lynch you? How townie is THAT?

Now I believe that is is YOU who is the wolf.

Vote: waynegg

Now that I've finished that....

@PM: If you don't want people to believe what you say is useless(FYI, I DO read all your posts) then stop making stupid posts.

@G landers: Uh, reason for your vote, please?

Also, about whether or not we should go after wolves or indies first...I believe that the wolves possibly have more of a threat. Jelly's/kirby's death could have been caused by a vig/janitor as much as a indie killing role. While I believe that it is important to kill hostile groups, we, the town, need to remember that there can be indies that can win alongside the town. If indies can do it, why not indie groups? While I believe that the Enforcers via Benzo's find are probably bad guys, we have no proof to whether the Pokemon(Though Girtina did NOT look friendly) or the KofRT are against the town(We don't even know if the KofRT are an indie group....)

Anyway, JewelQuest signing off. Not sure if me or PikaJewel will manage to get on tomorrow.

 

[waynegg]

8. Finally...

After Vablakes described what he was trying to do on the last game day, I thought it would be interesting to actually do it on on the second day! Now the town has a list of 8 people who voted for me. There's been some clump voting here and there so it should make an interesting list to discuss. Take it how you will that both of the people I picked on voted for me. Personally, I would have been surprised if they hadn't.

Here's the list:

Benzo, post 932
pokemonfreak5, post 934
DagonClyne725, post 937
Glaceon, post 947
Human Destroyer, post 957
thunderjolt, post 963
SMP88, post 966
JewelQuest, post 969

For the record I never saw anything in either DragonClyne or SMP. I just needed to stir up some controversy to get some votes. Day 1 ended abruptly, and there was almost no fact finding. We ended the day knowing exactly what we started the day knowing- nada!

Oh- and I would never out the seer. If I were that kind of player, I don't think I would have been asked to play. Besides, this game barely started and the last phase was a waste for the most part. All I know about the seer is that it digs a hole in the ground to sleep in!

 

[pokemonrocks777]

Merry Christmas everyone... I hope everyone has a great Christmas... just to let you all know I will be somewhere with no internet i'll have to voice my big and massive opinion when I get back at 8pm EST and reason of why i'm not posting

Thanks
PR777

 

[Diaz]

8. Finally...

After Vablakes described what he was trying to do on the last game day, I thought it would be interesting to actually do it on on the second day! Now the town has a list of 8 people who voted for me. There's been some clump voting here and there so it should make an interesting list to discuss. Take it how you will that both of the people I picked on voted for me. Personally, I would have been surprised if they hadn't.

Here's the list:

Benzo, post 932
pokemonfreak5, post 934
DagonClyne725, post 937
Glaceon, post 947
Human Destroyer, post 957
thunderjolt, post 963
SMP88, post 966
JewelQuest, post 969

For the record I never saw anything in either DragonClyne or SMP. I just needed to stir up some controversy to get some votes. Day 1 ended abruptly, and there was almost no fact finding. We ended the day knowing exactly what we started the day knowing- nada!

Oh- and I would never out the seer. If I were that kind of player, I don't think I would have been asked to play. Besides, this game barely started and the last phase was a waste for the most part. All I know about the seer is that it digs a hole in the ground to sleep in!

So you acted scummy... and people voted for you. Big surprise there. I don't understand what this accomplished.

People keep trying to do this, and I don't understand what we get out of it. I also think it would be easy for scum to get caught, and then later claim they were playing scummy on purpose.

Waynegg, before that last post you made, I planned on trying to turn the town away from lynching you because I wasn't at all convinced of your scummyness. You've changed my mind.

Vote: Waynegg

If anything, you are encouraging other players to hold back when considering a vote for someone who is scummy. Players are voting for people who act scummy. That's how it's supposed to be.

Speculation: I wouldn't be surprised if you are from some scum faction, trying to figure out who your enemies are, so that you know who to kill. That's what this whole thing reads like.

At the very least, you overplayed your hand.

 

[waynegg]

First off- forgot to do this in my last post.

Unvote: DragonClyne725

Second, this isn't the first time I've used a ploy like this. I'm surprised that you of all people don't recognize that Diaz since you were wrapped up in it the last time. Whatever. Lynch me and it'll hurt the town. A lot. Give me a little rope (not the whole damned noose :tongue and reap the benefits of keeping me in the game.

Now, what good is a list if you don't analyze it.

Benzo- At this time I get a slight town read, but that may change (see pokemonfreak5)

pokemonfreak5- doesn't exactly come off town (to me at least), slight wolf read. his posts have been (paraphrased in order of post)

• posting now to say he's going to post later- the most useless type of post (just saying)
• quote of a big post, says he and Benzo are on the same wavelength, votes for Tables, Benzo votes Tables not long after
• modding someone for double-posting
• post to say he's traveling (no surprise given the time of year), tells a couple of people to be more active after ironically being non-productive himself
• post to apologize for "semi contradictory" vote and got onto Diaz for pushing someone after they name claimed, says if he were a wolf with good name he would name drop in an instant.
• post to discuss possible role scenarios, and oddly gets onto someone for using name claims in figuring roles
• more role speculation talk
• calling me out
• calling me out some more and voting me just after Benzo votes for me (coicidence?), mentions something about me "taking the bait" (has yet to satisfactorily explain what he means by that though he has been asked a few times)
• calls me out some more.

DragonClyne725- null read


Glaceon- null read


Human Destroyer- null read. He kind of edges a bit on the scummy side to me following whatever the flavor of the day is thus far, but I'm not ready to categorize him yet.


thunderjolt- town read. Nothing he's posted this game thus far suggests otherwise


SMP88- null read

JewelQuest- slight scummy read.

• hasn't really contributed (alot of place holder posts and post talking about his and his sister's internet arrangement)
• has only posted twice this game day, one of which was to pop in, vote for the flavor of the day (me), and then disappear again.
• seems to lurk quite a bit

 

[Pikamaster]

Waynegg, watch the language, please. Thank you.

 

[waynegg]

I had this typed up and forgot to paste it in

So you acted scummy... and people voted for you. Big surprise there. I don't understand what this accomplished.

People keep trying to do this, and I don't understand what we get out of it. I also think it would be easy for scum to get caught, and then later claim they were playing scummy on purpose.

Waynegg, before that last post you made, I planned on trying to turn the town away from lynching you because I wasn't at all convinced of your scummyness. You've changed my mind.

Vote: Waynegg

If anything, you are encouraging other players to hold back when considering a vote for someone who is scummy. Players are voting for people who act scummy. That's how it's supposed to be.

Speculation: I wouldn't be surprised if you are from some scum faction, trying to figure out who your enemies are, so that you know who to kill. That's what this whole thing reads like.

At the very least, you overplayed your hand.

Wait, wait, wait! Let me get this straight...

Diaz. You mean to tell me that when I was coming off scummy, you planned on "trying to turn the town away from lynching" me. Now that I've come clean and explained what I was doing and what I was out to accomplish you decide this is the best time to vote for me huh? Very interesting in deed!

You say you don't understand what doing something like this accomplishes, so I'll explain. Up to this point all we've gotten is a bunch of finger-pointing and pure speculation based off what exactly? Nothing but pure speculation.

Given a town role (I'm town and realize that unless you're wolf you don't know that I'm town), the point is to act scummy to amass votes and then end the charade when you're about a third of the way to being lynched. It's all but guaranteed 1 or more scum will be more than happy to ride the tide and vote for you. Then it's just a matter of going over the voting record and search out abnormalities (such as pop-in voting, clump voting, etc.) to begin questioning people about. Doing this provides a much more concrete basis on which to direct questioning and have a legitimate chance at lynching some scum.

Another point to this trap is what happens directly after exposing what you were up to. Often, someone will attempt to keep the vote going for the person who set the ploy off. Most of the time that person is scum, who if successful will keep the vote rolling and trick the town into lynching one of their own.

And, if I'm encouraging players to play smarter, not get roped into rush voting and band-wagoning, and giving the town a short list off of which to work out a wolf kill... Kudos me! Right now, you're looking pretty bad Daiz and I doubt I'm the only one who sees this as you said it yourself when you were going to back me while I was playing scummy and then chose to continue the vote my way after I explained my objectives.

 

[pokemonfreak5]

@Waynegg. I thought I'd already summed up what I meat by the bait in post 942. My weak case against SMP was bait to see if, provided with the option, you'd switch your vote to what seemed like a more viable lynch target, an act inherently scummy.

Also, even disregarding the fact that your summary of my posts has been twisted beyond belief, you've just contradicted yourself majorly.

You admit to playing bad/scummy etc as part of a gambit to see who votes for you, then you go on to defend your actions as not scummy and my plays and reactions towards them as incriminating. Are you still after me for how I acted towards you or are you claiming it was all a gambit? make up your mind.

 

[waynegg]

@Waynegg. I thought I'd already summed up what I meat by the bait in post 942.

Yeah. That didn't make much sense to me as I still don't see any real play that you did. You say it was a play, fine, to me it just looks like following what someone else had already said before you.

Are you still after me for how I acted towards you or are you claiming it was all a gambit? make up your mind.

I haven't been after you. In fact the only post I've even mentioned you in (other than in analysis of who voted for me) was here where I pointed out how interesting it was that you were using tactic to make a vote that you had just described as being a scummy tactic in the very same post.

So, please, enlighten me. Where have I ever been "after you"?

 

[Human Destroyer]

Human Destroyer- null read. He kind of edges a bit on the scummy side to me following whatever the flavor of the day is thus far, but I'm not ready to categorize him yet.

I disagree (assuming you mean "favor" and not "flavor"). I was looking at pokemonfreak5 before you had your little outburst, whereas (IIRC) no one else was. Also I was pushing for a jpulice lynch yesterday, which was pretty much just me, Kayle, and TJ; certainly not a popular lynch to push.

Also, pretty much the second paragraph of Diaz's post. Anyone could go back and say "Hey, I was playing scummy as a gambit, getting people to vote me for the purposes of vote analysis!". It does not clear you one bit, at least in my eyes.

 

[Sheepbro]

I would like to be replaced, stuff has come up and I don't have the time nor the energy to play.

 

[Benzo]

@ Eclipse- I have this thing where I leave myself "notes" in the game (everyone knows this to an extent) for reference for lines of thought. A role from a dead player has been "hidden". Since a player with a speach impediment that directly speaks in 3rd person- this makes me think that this person is in need of "self reminding" that they have an identity issues. A role from a player disapears, who is to say that that players identity has not been stolen? Scorri has defended the "Pokemon wins" condition a few times. ( as I see it) With considering that and with Pokemon being in the game- one POkemon sticks out with some sort of I dentity issue- one who can transform- Ditto. Even though some Pokemon can have transform in thier move pool, it seems sort of interesting that a player is dead and we know nothing of that player. Like I had said about a "Janitor", I find it unlikely at this time to think that one is in the game since having to hide a body after a killing that it just does not seem to fit into all the role madness we have going on and having to "cover" one's tracks on the kill with so many win conditions we have seen thus far.

That is just my thoughts on that issue, and as to why I even said anything on the matter of "possible" roles- a line of thinking that keeping "self identity" such as Ditto who can change into anything, should always keep close thier own personal identity in order to change back. Without those lines, Ditto would never be able to change back into it's own self/original form. Just my thoughts/observation.

@P101- to reply to your question-
Trying to get a better read on Waynegg from the day before. A simple soft-assult, and as someone did say "weak attacks"- (of the top of my mind I don't recall whom)- just to get a better understanding of his intentions with as to what he said against AbsolTrainer with the posting on "don't let him get away" (again, trying to save time here and using simple quick to the point wording"-
so, just looking to get a better read on intentions behind his posting on that was all.

See, this is interesting Waynegg- I do not think your a Wolf. I did get a small hint that you are possibly a Wolf as per my read on earlier, so yes, I did "attack you" in the manner I did. I was not at the least expecting that you had a plan of your own.

I will take your plan as how I see it- and in a way where it fails. Now Waynegg, please keep in mind that I do not think that your a wolf.

See, my line of thinking on this, is that I tried to get a better read on you from the previouse day. Now I will show my line of thinking as to what brought me to where I stand right now-

Tables (like I said, trying to post time wise so I do not recall off the top of my mind who has replaced Tables)- Did spark the whole "look at possible 3rd parties" thing. I still think that that was a slip up on his part, which I took the risk of persuing that there is a good chance of a 3rd party in this game, and with the amount of players in the game- a strong possibility. Which by fate/chance/luck- what ever- it WAS revealed that there is a number of win conditions. Now, with actual evidence of such a "free for all"/"battle royal" situation (which I did state to explain the towns condition of having more then one threat) and thinking into the balance of the game- role madness and the "tools" each side (Besides the Wolves, as the wolves are self explanitory and should not have an over powering role since they know who all is town)- it did leave me to think that 3rd party roles such as the Enforcers would need a way to be able to seek out who their biggest threat is- the wolves. As how I see it.

So, with your plan, Waynegg, if your town- Why have you not used the best weapon the town has, the Noose? You did/executed this plan to "draw out wolves" ok, cool, but the thing is that you really have not helped the town by NOT voting for whom you belive to be a Wolf. Why? If I were to pull that gamble, I would VOTE- not wait around to wait on others to voice opinions. You belive there is a wolf in that group of those who voted you, at least this I can agree with. I do think a person who voted is a wolf. But I will vote for that person, and not you.

I will say that my thoughts on what is up with you Waynegg, is that your an Unfriendly, with a strong leaning to Enforcer. You have left this day open-ended as to your just "tossing in" 8 people who you find Wolfy- But here is where I stand on that:

I stated that I belive it to be important that the town should focus on eliminating the Wolves, as what a townie should do- lynch wolves. You may have flushed out a wolf in your tactic, but your leaving the most important weapon out: Lynching. Sure, 3rd party wouldn't mind lynching a townie, but when it boils down to it- Townies need to make sure that they can stand alone and use what we have to rid oursleves of the threats that are the main true enemy of the town- wolves. Thus, like I feel that it is a good strategic way to keep us townies around, by pitting the 2 other threat groups at war.

I say that your unfriendly for these reasons:
You have left your attempt at "wolf hunting" open-ended, meaning that you should as a townie at least voted on your strongest lead to a wolf in the group of voters to have that threat eliminated. A townie should hold strong to their findings with a solid vote on whom they belive to be the wolf. As how I see it. In my opinion, time wise us townies will have a hard time "sifting through" each of the 8 voters to come to a conclusion, as I do feel that this tactic was played a little to early in the game for it to be effective enogh to really get the lynch met with the amount of players who are not able to really get in the lynch by way of vote count. This comes off as a way for you to hide and get a townie lynched.

I will remove my vote from you, and by doing so I am doing it in the hopes of trying to keep the wolf/enforcer "war" to keep a townie from being lynched today, and let the night roles hopefully remove the townie threats in that manner. True, what I just said can be "OH MY ARCEUS! BENZO IS SCUM!!:
I bread crumbed, so at least I know I have provided protection for the town.

Wolf lynch for the day:
Even though I personally think that Waynegg is unfriendly/possible enforcer, who do I think is the wolf in all of this?

JewelQuest.

For the sake of time, simple "hopped on" the wagon, even though I did not buy into Waynegg's "out the seer" (which right away made me think that Waynegg said that for a reaction, which made me think that he is up to something)

UNVOTE: Waynegg
VOTE: JewelQuest


@PM- Please post your big post.
@AbsolTrainer- I await your thoughts

I will not sit around and let my townies get torn aprt by 2 different threats, along with any other factor that will not be in the towns favor.
I hope that in a day or so I can post more, and Waynegg- you did convince your not a wolf, as I see it you are correct that your not a wolf, but an unfriendly.
If I can not get back to post in here soon, or if the day ends- this is what I see, so my vote stands where it is right now.

Happy (insert your choice here) Day to all yall!