Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!

[pokemonrocks777]

Might as well go on ahead and Vote waynegg so might as well... soo sorry Waynegg Guys sorry about not posting more often than i should I got a Job and that has Drained the Life out of me. so I can be on to post things so long Will try to post alot more when I can sorry. Hope you guys Understand

PR777

 

[eclipse]

This will most likely be my final post of the day phase.

That was interesting. I think that waynegg's hunch regarding the seer was right, which means that he shouldn't be lynched.

Vote Vablakes

You, on the other hand, haven't really improved since D1, and hopping onto the largest wagon for the exact same nonsense you pulled earlier doesn't help your case.

I seriously hope we have 22 active people, because at this rate, we're headed towards No Lynch.

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I also wanted to point out that this quote, taken completely out of context, is hilarious.

Both you and Your Face are acting very scummy right now.

 

[waynegg]

Missed this gem of a post earlier on. He's trying to say he's scummy for using the SAME gambit as him earlier on? Why shouldn't he give it a try, especially since he seemed to pull it off? You don't need to explain WHY he's suspicious? And you top it off by saying you can't post again, and conveniently hurry off? Some people may have forgotten that YOU were in the hot seat earlier, but I have not. I think it's unlikely that we'll figure out who the wolves are in the mess of voters who attacked waynegg with so little time, but you just earned your self back my vote.

Vablakes is a pokemon, therefore independent. Therefore, it is in our best interest to kill him. Especially after he dropped off the face of the earth while the accusations against him died down, and now he tries to slip in a quick scummy vote against someone with absolutely horrible reasoning. I suggest we vote Vablakes, and not waynegg. I believe waynegg to not be scum. Vablakes on the other hand, is playing like scum. At least waynegg explained him self.

Unvote: Jewl_Quest

Vote: Vablakes

When I got home from work last night, I only had the time to skim the posts to find what I was looking for- someone trying to rush the vote and end the game day early. This morning I've had a bit more time to read everything.

Nice catch! What Vablakes is saying here, essentially is 'If waynegg did what I did yesterday, that makes him scum'. Using reverse logic (which you're oh so good at) Vablakes is freely admitting to be scum. While I still think HD called himself out in much the same way, the day is short and there probably isn't enough time left to sort that one out. Save it for tomorrow then

UNVOTE: Human Destroyer
VOTE: Vablakes

I have one request from everybody- please don't end the game day before I get home from work tonight around 7 central time. I have two important posts typed up to copy/paste in. Which one I post will depend on which way the vote looks like it is going to fall; both have vital information for the town.

 

[Vablakes]

Missed this gem of a post earlier on. He's trying to say he's scummy for using the SAME gambit as him earlier on? Why shouldn't he give it a try, especially since he seemed to pull it off? You don't need to explain WHY he's suspicious? And you top it off by saying you can't post again, and conveniently hurry off? Some people may have forgotten that YOU were in the hot seat earlier, but I have not. I think it's unlikely that we'll figure out who the wolves are in the mess of voters who attacked waynegg with so little time, but you just earned your self back my vote.

Vablakes is a pokemon, therefore independent. Therefore, it is in our best interest to kill him. Especially after he dropped off the face of the earth while the accusations against him died down, and now he tries to slip in a quick scummy vote against someone with absolutely horrible reasoning. I suggest we vote Vablakes, and not waynegg. I believe waynegg to not be scum. Vablakes on the other hand, is playing like scum. At least waynegg explained him self.

Unvote: Jewl_Quest

Vote: Vablakes

I explained that I was busy for Christmas. Apparently that makes me scummy? I also explained that I was in a hurry, I had guests that had just pulled into my driveway.

I found a bit of free time now, so I can post a little bit more of what I was thinking. I was thinking that since I pulled it off D1 and didn't get lynched, they might claim the gambit to save themselves, since, well, it's D2 and I'm still alive. So, a wolf who was playing scummy might claim the gambit to stay alive. Why would any good, experienced townie in their right mind pull the gambit D2, after someone pulled it D1 and nearly got lynched? That's what was running through my mind.

Also, what proof do we have that all Pokemon are indies? Didn't two enforcers flip 2 different wincons? I might be mistaken, but I know I remember one faction flipping two different wincons.

 

[waynegg]

I explained that I was busy for Christmas. Apparently that makes me scummy? I also explained that I was in a hurry, I had guests that had just pulled into my driveway.

I found a bit of free time now, so I can post a little bit more of what I was thinking. I was thinking that since I pulled it off D1 and didn't get lynched, they might claim the gambit to save themselves, since, well, it's D2 and I'm still alive. So, a wolf who was playing scummy might claim the gambit to stay alive. Why would any good, experienced townie in their right mind pull the gambit D2, after someone pulled it D1 and nearly got lynched? That's what was running through my mind.

Also, what proof do we have that all Pokemon are indies? Didn't two enforcers flip 2 different wincons? I might be mistaken, but I know I remember one faction flipping two different wincons.

You also said you probably couldn't post again... and you didn't exactly pull off anything on D1. You got cold feet and gave it up after only 12 posts and 3 votes. The reason why a good experienced townie did it on D2 was to show you the right way to go about using the gambit and to gain the information you could have gotten had you done it right on D1. You're supposed to get a full third of the vote or more before you reveal the play and leave something (in my case, a flaky outing the seer threat) for others to pick up on to prove that you're making a play. You don't just come out and say 'I'm making a play here and want to go on record or nobody will believe me later' because then nobody is going to fall for your play since they see it coming. That's why your reason for voting me carries no weight.

 

[Glaceon]

Out until next year.

 

[Human Destroyer]

Y'know, I don't think it's even the reason itself. I think it's just the blatant bandwagoning that makes him look bad. This wagon, however, is much more worth analyzing than the waynegg one. Reason for that is, waynegg is probably the most scummy player in the game (I'm still surprised there's only about 5-6 people left who see it), so it's only natural he'd build up votes. Vablakes looks more like a lot of opportunity votes followed by bandwagoning to me.

That said:

UNVOTE: Waynegg
VOTE: Vablakes

We need a lynch to happen today, and with the sudden change in tides, it's unlikely waynegg will be lynched. I still don't like how most people dropped off that wagon when he claimed he was gambiting, and saying it's too risky to do as scum is WIFOM, is it not? Also, appeal to fear says hi.

 

[DarthPika]

We can seer waynegg if needed. I do not believe he would play so aggressively if he was scum. It defies all logic. Even if he was scum and pulled this off, the amount of attention it would draw from the night roles alone would make it borderline suicide to attempt something like this. What does it gain him in the end if he's scum? Do scum players really want half the town thinking that they're scum? He's a smart player, and smart players just don't do something that stupid if they're scum.

 

[Sandslash7]

er, what? How/what does Jellyfisher have anything to do with the end of THIS day for lynching Waynegg and he flips town?
Waynegg flips town, and the wolves have TWO townies down. Nothing, nothing nothing nothing of what Waynegg said has to do with Jellyfisher. Why did you even place this in here? You do know Waynegg is town- why else would you stick that bit of info in this at all? Incrimination? Misleading? Scum will mislead, how else does scum get townies lynched? Any one can tell right off that Waynegg is stateing that for THIS DAY- your really going to also include a compliment to Waynegg as to him making better logic and posts, but you know it is down to the wire time wise and a great majority of players are on his case that "if" in case Waynegg flips town you have that to fall back onto to say "well, I blah blah blah" to get out of being under suspicion as a person who voted to lynch a townie?

Let my clarify.

As DragonClyne pointed out, we only have 2 days left. How about we systematically question the viable suspects and see if the town can't find an actual wolf. If we don't, then we'll waste another day and give up two OR more townspeople in the process.

I missed the highlighted "OR" in his post. I thought he was saying the village would lose two more townspeople. If the village was going to lose two MORE townspeople, that would mean that it would have lost two townspeople before.

Thus I thought he was assuming Jellyfisher was a townsperson who died, which of course is unproven at this point.

My mistake.



Waynegg ~ Your most recent posts have been much better. Your logic is sound. While I still believe this gambit should not be encouraged, as it opens the doorway for scum to use it as a defense, you have generated useful talking points.

UNVOTE: WAYNEGG



As the day unwinds I feel that a roleflip will be helpful. Vablakes, you have decided your own fate by your comments in your case against waynegg. Calling him scummy for doing the same thing that you yourself did.

VOTE: VABLAKES

 

[Your_Face]

hey sorry did not know how to vote now i do so here
VOTE:Waynegg

 

[DarthPika]

I'm starting to think that pokemonrocks777 and Your_Face haven't even read the thread, and are simply hopping on who currently has the most votes. I'm not sure weather to blame in on inexperience, laziness, or trying to slip in a vote unnoticed at this point. Neither one of you provided ANY reason for why you are voting waynegg.

FoS: Your_Face, pokemonrocks777

 

[DragonClyne725]

Nearing the end, so here's an unofficial vote count:

VOTE COUNT:
41 Remaining
21 to lynch

Waynegg- 10 (Pokemonfreak5, Dragonclyne725, Glaceon, Thunderjolt, JewelQuest, Diaz, Vablakes, SMP88, pokemonrocks777, Your Face)

Vablakes- 12 (Scorri, StrongRhino, Jpulice, Pikajewel, ProHawk, DarthPika, TheKing, dave628, eclipse, waynegg, Human Destroyer, Sandslash7)

Shinori- 1 (Crimsonsky)

Dragonclyne725- 1 (G landers)

PMysterious- 1 (Pokemonplayer101)

Sandslash7- 1 (Benzo)

At this point, it really could go either way. I am not sure about the whole Waynegg vs. Vablakes vote this is turning into. Vablakes claims to have used this strategy Day 1, and it pretty much fell in his face. Waynegg claims to have used this strategy Day 2, and it may have "worked", but I don't see what we learned from it other than a bunch of null reads, and that this strategy isn't that great. On the other hand, seeing how quickly Vablakes "fell" and how long waynegg kept it up, I am feeling that Vablakes just pulled this gambit out of nowhere and claimed to have used it when he fell into suspicion, and that waynegg possibly did use this strategy. Waynegg's play has improved since he claimed to have done the gambit, while the same cannot be said for Vablakes.

For these reasons:

UNVOTE: waynegg
VOTE: Vablakes

Because we have seen different faction sides from the same universe, it is possible that a Wolf could be a Pokemon.
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You stated that you probably weren't going to get back on today, but whatever:

2. There is the ever-so-slight chance that the theoretical seer did breadcrumb; if so, then said seer will either have to out to save waynegg or stay quiet, and hope that all hostile parties don't catch the crumbs.

This really isn't a point in waynegg's favor, since waynegg claims to have fabricated the whole seer thing to drop a "hint" that he was making a play.

I think that waynegg's hunch regarding the seer was right, which means that he shouldn't be lynched.

What hunch are you referring to? That part about the seer having seer'd him last Night?

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Suspicious Pointy Finger: G landers

For popping in to cast a vote for me, then having disappeared since.

I'd like to point at all the inactives who will most likely pop in right at the end to place a vote for the person most likely to be lynched (Your Face, pokemonrocks777, more to follow), but I don't have that many fingers :lol:

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I have two important posts typed up to copy/paste in. Which one I post will depend on which way the vote looks like it is going to fall; both have vital information for the town.

If you have them typed up already, why are you waiting to post them if they have "vital information for the town" like you say?

Angry Pointy Finger: waynegg

I'm keeping my eye (and my finger) on you.

 

[JewelQuest]

Finally, I have time to get on nice and early when my thinking is the most clear.

I am not convinced that Vablakes is the best lynch for this day. He seems to be a newb, that is for sure, and I am not convinced that all Pokemon would have the same wincon, as he said.
I still believe that waynegg is scum, and I am going to hold my vote for him at this time, but will switch later if needed.

@Vablakes: Two enforcers haven't flipped. Two characters from Redwall(a book series) have flipped. One was an enforcer, the other a townie.

DP: So, you're defending him again.....Last game, cabd played pretty agressively, and used the same logic as you are using now. He was a wolf. And he survived the whole game. So, wolves do things 'that stupid' as smart players.
Also, it doesn't really matter if someone seers him or not, because in order to confirm this, he or she would have to role reveal, giving the wolves an edge.

I am not appreciating the fact that waynegg keeps ignoring my posts directed at him.

 

[pokemonfreak5]

We can seer waynegg if needed. I do not believe he would play so aggressively if he was scum. It defies all logic. Even if he was scum and pulled this off, the amount of attention it would draw from the night roles alone would make it borderline suicide to attempt something like this. What does it gain him in the end if he's scum? Do scum players really want half the town thinking that they're scum? He's a smart player, and smart players just don't do something that stupid if they're scum.

Vet Buddying/Reverence noted.

DP: So, you're defending him again.....Last game, cabd played pretty agressively, and used the same logic as you are using now. He was a wolf. And he survived the whole game. So, wolves do things 'that stupid' as smart players.
Also, it doesn't really matter if someone seers him or not, because in order to confirm this, he or she would have to role reveal, giving the wolves an edge.

QFT, so much on this.

To me it still looks entirely possible that Waynegg slipped up a bit, got himself in a sticky situation, and had to fight his way out any way he can. That being said, the more I think about it the more it seems unlikely that he would use that recovery ploy if he were directly scum. Still entirely possible, and as far as I'm aware, we're still unsure if scum can communicate during the day. This was a big help for cabd to make these kind of plays last game. Regardless, from his later posts and a bit more thought I'm starting to think that waynegg might be from another faction, friendliness level unknown. Maybe a course of night roles and then re-analysis next day might be a better option. I'm not sure if it should be as simple as, seer reads on waynegg, finds scum and reveals. On day 3 that would probably hurt the town more than help. But there are other options, and it's possible that we may be able to use this to learn more of other factions.

I am going away today until after new years. Camping, so internet and phone access will be limited, but I may be able to swing a drive to somewhere with a net cafe or something. The case against Vablakes is not ground breaking, but looking back I think there is sufficient bandwagoining and other questionable plays to warrant a vote. As this will be my last chance to vote:

Unvote: Waynegg
Vote: Vablakes

Hope everyone has a safe and enjoyable holiday season

 

[DarthPika]

DP: So, you're defending him again.....Last game, cabd played pretty agressively, and used the same logic as you are using now. He was a wolf. And he survived the whole game. So, wolves do things 'that stupid' as smart players.
Also, it doesn't really matter if someone seers him or not, because in order to confirm this, he or she would have to role reveal, giving the wolves an edge.

That was the fault of the town. Cabd should never have lived after I flipped town, but the town was playing badly and never lynched him. Waynegg came forward and explained what he was doing. Cabd never did. there IS a difference between the two situations.

 

[SMP88]

The more waynegg has posted the more he's look not wolf (won't say town yet since we know there's at least 4 factions in this). I've been suspicious of vablakes since yesterday, and I still think all Pokemon will have the same win condition, so I'm going to switch my vote.

Unvote: Waynegg
Vote: vablakes

 

[PikaJewel]

He didn't reveal his role, he just said that he had a night action which "only works under certain circumstances". He revealed his character name to be Latias. I don't see why you think the two wouldn't fit together. Explain?

I will explain.
I'm a newb and I just realized how silly that was, so ........ someone slap me!:biggrin:

Sorry I haven't been posting, been rather busy of late, but I plan to keep on going with this anyway.

The more I read Waynegg's posts, the more I feel that he is scum. Some of his posts really make me take a couple of steps back and wonder what he is thinking, if he is townie. If he is wolf, then it is quite obvious what he is thinking. So, I have a few things to say to him.

@waynegg:Here are your stated reasons for lynching DragonClyne, as of post 922.



And then, after posting all that, you post this:



Wait...What?

You answer to Benzo's prompting with this in post 936.



And your vote wasn't a bandwagon at all. /sarcasm



Several people have already quoted this...But:



Sounds pretty CERTAIN to me.

I feel that your little fit about DragonClyne using 'we' a bunch is a little...odd. Classic wolf trying to use stupid/notquitesostupidbutstillstupid tactics to try and take down a townie? You've used 'we' and 'us' just as much as he has. I think everyone in this game has.

And then you post this in post 956...



Wait just a second...You are threatening to out the seer if we try to lynch you? How townie is THAT?

Now I believe that is is YOU who is the wolf.

Vote: waynegg

Now that I've finished that....

@PM: If you don't want people to believe what you say is useless(FYI, I DO read all your posts) then stop making stupid posts.

@G landers: Uh, reason for your vote, please?

Also, about whether or not we should go after wolves or indies first...I believe that the wolves possibly have more of a threat. Jelly's/kirby's death could have been caused by a vig/janitor as much as a indie killing role. While I believe that it is important to kill hostile groups, we, the town, need to remember that there can be indies that can win alongside the town. If indies can do it, why not indie groups? While I believe that the Enforcers via Benzo's find are probably bad guys, we have no proof to whether the Pokemon(Though Girtina did NOT look friendly) or the KofRT are against the town(We don't even know if the KofRT are an indie group....)

Anyway, JewelQuest signing off. Not sure if me or PikaJewel will manage to get on tomorrow.

I'd like to point out that I have been just as bad as Jewelquest here, and voting for her may have been just as good as voting for me (NOt at all doing this because we are siblings just cause it's true).

First off- forgot to do this in my last post.

Unvote: DragonClyne725

Second, this isn't the first time I've used a ploy like this. I'm surprised that you of all people don't recognize that Diaz since you were wrapped up in it the last time. Whatever. Lynch me and it'll hurt the town. A lot. Give me a little rope (not the whole damned noose :tongue and reap the benefits of keeping me in the game.

Now, what good is a list if you don't analyze it.

Benzo- At this time I get a slight town read, but that may change (see pokemonfreak5)

pokemonfreak5- doesn't exactly come off town (to me at least), slight wolf read. his posts have been (paraphrased in order of post)

• posting now to say he's going to post later- the most useless type of post (just saying)
• quote of a big post, says he and Benzo are on the same wavelength, votes for Tables, Benzo votes Tables not long after
• modding someone for double-posting
• post to say he's traveling (no surprise given the time of year), tells a couple of people to be more active after ironically being non-productive himself
• post to apologize for "semi contradictory" vote and got onto Diaz for pushing someone after they name claimed, says if he were a wolf with good name he would name drop in an instant.
• post to discuss possible role scenarios, and oddly gets onto someone for using name claims in figuring roles
• more role speculation talk
• calling me out
• calling me out some more and voting me just after Benzo votes for me (coicidence?), mentions something about me "taking the bait" (has yet to satisfactorily explain what he means by that though he has been asked a few times)
• calls me out some more.

DragonClyne725- null read


Glaceon- null read


Human Destroyer- null read. He kind of edges a bit on the scummy side to me following whatever the flavor of the day is thus far, but I'm not ready to categorize him yet.


thunderjolt- town read. Nothing he's posted this game thus far suggests otherwise


SMP88- null read

JewelQuest- slight scummy read.

• hasn't really contributed (alot of place holder posts and post talking about his and his sister's internet arrangement)
• has only posted twice this game day, one of which was to pop in, vote for the flavor of the day (me), and then disappear again.
• seems to lurk quite a bit

I'm contributing the best I can and if any I'm doing worse than my sis, I going to stay on the Vablakes vote, saying that Wanyegg used the same tactic as him was one swell contradiction you might as well have said 'since he used this both of us are Scum' also just surviving one day doesn't mean anything, except that there were better lynch oppertunites, now I'm suspicious of Wanyegg, but DarthPika made me feel less suspicious, aggresive play can either be good or bad, also Wanyegg made a nice recovery from all the suspicion unlike Vablakes, this could be nothing of importance.

 

[Benzo]

NON GAME RELATED POST- Friendly reminder post here--

Watch the language guys, I do know that this is a game and all, but please, please, please watch the reference or abbreviated use of negative language.

Please resume, and again, please watch the language used in your postings.

Thank you.

 

[DarthPika]

Vet Buddying/Reverence noted.

Just because I don't think it's a good idea to vote him based on what I know about him it's suddenly vet reverence? This sounds an awful lot like "you don't agree with me, so it must be bad". If you can use the known experience of a player to get a read off of them, why shouldn't you?

 

[Diaz]

Posting from my phone. Having game days end between cities is killing me. I'm reading through everything and hope to post at least once tonight. My primary thought right now is that we need a role flip today for info. I'm unenthusiastic about the valblakes lynch. Can we get a vote count?