Hey guys. Did you miss me? I'll try to catch up and make a big post when I get on a computer, but if I could get some opinions on what happened yesterday it would help me catch up and make a big post easier. Maybe some opinions from Prohawk, AT, or anyone who has an opinion on last game day.
Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!
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Human Destroyer
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Mostly gut. It's not that I'm not willing to vote PMysterious, I'm just not sure, so I'm picking the one my gut says to. I'm okay with a Levity vote too.
waynegg
CotD Editor<br>Forum Moderator
One thing I noticed after the first few deaths, a lot of the roles in this game seem to be recycled (and probably updated to a certain extent) from XIV. LEX did XIV.
This could explain the person who is tying people up, and also shows that they aren't necessarily anti-town:
This one could easily explain jellyfisher coming back:
I think it a good thing we had no lynch yesterday because of these roles:
It doesn't mean that Vablakes is town aligned per se, but if Suicidals are in this game I rather doubt they are wolves as it would make it that much harder, for the already most difficult faction to pull off a win, to win.
There are other roles from XIV which are similar to roles which have been revealed, as well as clues from the updates that sound a lot roles from XIV.
@SS7- I was digging for whatever questions you had asked me that weren't answered when the day ended. I kept looking, but couldn't find any I felt were left unanswered. Can you help me out on this and ask again?
This could explain the person who is tying people up, and also shows that they aren't necessarily anti-town:
This one could easily explain jellyfisher coming back:
I think it a good thing we had no lynch yesterday because of these roles:
It doesn't mean that Vablakes is town aligned per se, but if Suicidals are in this game I rather doubt they are wolves as it would make it that much harder, for the already most difficult faction to pull off a win, to win.
There are other roles from XIV which are similar to roles which have been revealed, as well as clues from the updates that sound a lot roles from XIV.
@SS7- I was digging for whatever questions you had asked me that weren't answered when the day ended. I kept looking, but couldn't find any I felt were left unanswered. Can you help me out on this and ask again?
DragonClyne725
New Member
I'd also like to add G Landers to the suspicious list. While he did place a vote, it was just a bandwagon vote for me at the start of the Day, and after placing it he disappeared for the rest of the Day.ProHawk said:
On to some Night analysis.
So we have two groups mentioned:Mew's Role said:
1) Mewtwo's Group that wanted to destroy Mew.
2) Mew's Group that was formed to fight Mewtwo.
Looking at the flavor text in each of the Enforcers roles, and the fact that Mew was an Enforcer, it's a safe guess that Mew's group is the Enforcers.
My guess would be that this group of assassins, the Outlaws, is Mewtwo's Group (the fact that Mewtwo wanted to hunt down Mew combined with the fact that this group was literally described as "assassins" led me to this guess).Miror B.'s Role said:
It looks like we have a four-way battle going on:
Enforcers (Mew) vs. Outlaws (Mewtwo)
Town vs. Wolf
With some Independents
Seeing that Pikamaster/LEX simply put "Dead Independents" and not "Dead Pokemon" on the first page, it makes me think that the "Pokemon Win" win condition that Giratina possessed was unique and that there might not be an actual Pokemon Independent group.
At the moment, we still don't know whether Enforcers/Outlaws are friendlies.
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That could explain it, but Red could only use Aerodactyl once. The person this game still has Vegetalian tied up, and was able to tie up another person last Night. Doesn't exactly sound pro-Town.waynegg said:
JewelQuest
New Member
Well, it seems that we have more to deal with. Typical.
So, now we have
-Townies
-Wolves
-Pokemon/Indies
-Enforcers
-Outlaws
We know that we want to get rid of wolves, and possibly any indies. I'm willing to bet that the Outlaws probably aren't friendly, but I'm not sure what to think about the Enforcers. Considering that they are Mew's group, I'm inclined to think that they are friendly, but the flavor text in Mew's role didn't sound quite so friendly...
Now, I'd like to Vote: waynegg
Reason? Last game day I was voting him for his 'move'. Some of you believe that it was clever, but I myself still have found no reason to believe or trust him. So, I put my vote back on him because I believe in it.
So, now we have
-Townies
-Wolves
-Pokemon/Indies
-Enforcers
-Outlaws
We know that we want to get rid of wolves, and possibly any indies. I'm willing to bet that the Outlaws probably aren't friendly, but I'm not sure what to think about the Enforcers. Considering that they are Mew's group, I'm inclined to think that they are friendly, but the flavor text in Mew's role didn't sound quite so friendly...
Now, I'd like to Vote: waynegg
Reason? Last game day I was voting him for his 'move'. Some of you believe that it was clever, but I myself still have found no reason to believe or trust him. So, I put my vote back on him because I believe in it.
PMysterious
New Member
Look, I forgot to vote. Is there anything wrong with forgetting? If there is, you really need to think this through. If someone forgets, its different than actually not doing it. This is just the most stupid thing I have seen from you all game. In fact, in ALL of your Werewolf games, this just throws all of your good points out of the the window. Like, wow, you go after the ones that did not vote? What's the point of doing that if they might not be able to do anything about it? Its so stupid of an idea that even the Newbies in this game would not consider. Why don't you just start back up the lead wagon and try again? I will admit, we did have 2 failed attempts at lynching, but this time, we can make one. Take your focus off the ones that did not vote as its not THEIR faults that the lynch did not pull through. It was lack of communication with the Town. I forgot to vote and I'm pretty sure the others did too. I was not faking it. Why WOULD I fake something? Are you out of your mind? Granted, you have been around the same time I was, but not once had I seen such a Prohawk as stupid as this one. Take in to consideration that not everyone remembers to do something. In other words, its not my fault we failed to lynched and its no one that did not vote that day. Its the ones that DID vote as they couldn't make up their minds on who was better. So, I'll be the first to say that we're starting up a wagon that SHOULD HAVE WENT THROUGH 2 GAME DAYS AGO.
Vote: Vablakes
I mean, what the heck have we got to lose and what have we got to win, so many Anti-Town players have died already (due to modkills) that it won't matter much this day just to start one up that never finished. In other words, let's finish what we started.
Nice try at the ad-hom attacks. The only reason you think I am "stupid" is because you can't see past the brick wall you built up. The logic fails to strike your skull. Your argument that the people who couldn't agree caused the no-lynch when there were a good 10 people who could have voted but didn't is a bit ridiculous. You realize that we only needed three more votes right?
PMysterious said:
Did you honestly just ask this question? Yes, someone forgetting to vote, depending on the time, could cost us the game. I am not sure I entirely believe you. When you post something like this at the end of the Day 1.
And then just plain disappear and forget to vote when you apparently had such strong feelings to make sure we lynched someone D1, why would you forget D2?
PMysterious said:
Uhh, because you are a wolf? Wolves fake stuff all the time, particularly wolf-hunting for obvious reasons.
jellyfisher
Member
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I certainly wasn't expecting that in the night update.
But anyway, its good to be back. I kept reading the thread during the time I was dead, so I don't really have to do all that much to get caught up (I still have to do some work since I wasn't following it as closely as I do when I am playing).
So first off, I have no idea how I am back in the game. Sure, I can make guesses about it, and I might even make the correct guess about what happened, but I wouldn't be able to confirm anything. All I know is that I am still a townie.
Moving on from that, I can't really contribute all that much at the moment. I have don't have many reads yet, and the few that I have are for the most part so weak that they aren't even worth pursuing right now. However, there is one player that I did notice acting odd last game day. Absoltrainer.
On the first game day, he made very big accusations on three players. Kayle, Vablakes and Vegitalian. Kayle died on the first night, and we now know that he was a townie. We never heard AT's thoughts on that.
Vegitalian has been tied up for two days, so he doesn't matter right now.
Vablakes was almost lynched last game day. Did AT try to convince everyone to get him lynched? Sort of. But not nearly as hard as I thought he would have tried. From what I can remember, he basically said that he was still believed the arguments he had made the previous day were correct, and left it at that. No new arguments were made. No attempt to convince those that had voted for Waynegg to switch their votes was made either. Why not? Why didn't he try harder? I am not implying that others that wanted Vablakes to be lynched and put in the same amount, or less effort then AT shouldn't take any blame for what happened yesterday. But AT was perhaps the biggest supporter of the Vablakes lynch on day one. I find it odd that he was so silent when the lynch was so close.
I am not going to be voting for Absoltrainer at the moment. All of the accusations I have made might have a simple explanation. Its possible that AT simply didn't have the time to launch another attack on Vablakes. He should however keep in mind I could easily change my mind about whether he deserves my vote or not.
I certainly wasn't expecting that in the night update.
But anyway, its good to be back. I kept reading the thread during the time I was dead, so I don't really have to do all that much to get caught up (I still have to do some work since I wasn't following it as closely as I do when I am playing).
So first off, I have no idea how I am back in the game. Sure, I can make guesses about it, and I might even make the correct guess about what happened, but I wouldn't be able to confirm anything. All I know is that I am still a townie.
Moving on from that, I can't really contribute all that much at the moment. I have don't have many reads yet, and the few that I have are for the most part so weak that they aren't even worth pursuing right now. However, there is one player that I did notice acting odd last game day. Absoltrainer.
On the first game day, he made very big accusations on three players. Kayle, Vablakes and Vegitalian. Kayle died on the first night, and we now know that he was a townie. We never heard AT's thoughts on that.
Vegitalian has been tied up for two days, so he doesn't matter right now.
Vablakes was almost lynched last game day. Did AT try to convince everyone to get him lynched? Sort of. But not nearly as hard as I thought he would have tried. From what I can remember, he basically said that he was still believed the arguments he had made the previous day were correct, and left it at that. No new arguments were made. No attempt to convince those that had voted for Waynegg to switch their votes was made either. Why not? Why didn't he try harder? I am not implying that others that wanted Vablakes to be lynched and put in the same amount, or less effort then AT shouldn't take any blame for what happened yesterday. But AT was perhaps the biggest supporter of the Vablakes lynch on day one. I find it odd that he was so silent when the lynch was so close.
I am not going to be voting for Absoltrainer at the moment. All of the accusations I have made might have a simple explanation. Its possible that AT simply didn't have the time to launch another attack on Vablakes. He should however keep in mind I could easily change my mind about whether he deserves my vote or not.
I would like to direct attention to these statements seperated in bold:
So... Let's start: You're claiming that the no-lynch is not the fault of the people who did not vote HOWEVER there were 15 people who did not vote, in a majority rules vote 15 people nearly completely removes the possibility of a lynch with a 41 people. If you consider the fact that not all of the remaining 26 people who voted there are likely to be some people who are either sided with the suspect or honestly not convinced of the lynch. THIS IS A GROSSLY MISLEAD ACCUSATION ON YOUR PART, SOMEONE WHO IS BLATANTLY DEFENDING THE NON-VOTERS!
If that weren't all, you honestly expect us to believe a "I forgot" statement? Normally, that would be potentially plausible but to go on the attack over a single vote without a lot of basis is the epitome of being pressured, and I dare say, full long baited by Prohawk. That on it's on isn't particularly incriminating, though obviously scummy; whether as a wolf or otherwise, that's where this statement comes into play:
This, this is one of the most interesting points in the whole post. It would seem as though you KNOW who is non-voters list, but more importantly, you've openly alienated yourself from the town. Along with attacking your attacker with an argument that no more than constitutes "He is stupid" you have dug the hole deeper.
Final point in this case is that there is a serious contradiction in your post. You claim that it is the fault of the town, those who voted, that the lynch didn't go through but then proceed to try and reignite the wagon with the statement that it "SHOULD HAVE WENT THROUGH 2 GAME DAYS AGO." but had not voted yourself the day previous. If you really, honestly thought the vote should have gone through and that Vablakes should have been lynched then there is no way you should have forgotten, unless you were trying to avoid suspicion by an original bandwagon.
Nail in the coffin: You're pushing for a wagon on someone who's evidence against them has all but been blown out of the water due to the death of Mew and revelation that not all Pokemon are "Pokemon Win" aligned.
Vote: PMysterious
Just for added pressure on your defence.
So... Let's start: You're claiming that the no-lynch is not the fault of the people who did not vote HOWEVER there were 15 people who did not vote, in a majority rules vote 15 people nearly completely removes the possibility of a lynch with a 41 people. If you consider the fact that not all of the remaining 26 people who voted there are likely to be some people who are either sided with the suspect or honestly not convinced of the lynch. THIS IS A GROSSLY MISLEAD ACCUSATION ON YOUR PART, SOMEONE WHO IS BLATANTLY DEFENDING THE NON-VOTERS!
If that weren't all, you honestly expect us to believe a "I forgot" statement? Normally, that would be potentially plausible but to go on the attack over a single vote without a lot of basis is the epitome of being pressured, and I dare say, full long baited by Prohawk. That on it's on isn't particularly incriminating, though obviously scummy; whether as a wolf or otherwise, that's where this statement comes into play:
This, this is one of the most interesting points in the whole post. It would seem as though you KNOW who is non-voters list, but more importantly, you've openly alienated yourself from the town. Along with attacking your attacker with an argument that no more than constitutes "He is stupid" you have dug the hole deeper.
Final point in this case is that there is a serious contradiction in your post. You claim that it is the fault of the town, those who voted, that the lynch didn't go through but then proceed to try and reignite the wagon with the statement that it "SHOULD HAVE WENT THROUGH 2 GAME DAYS AGO." but had not voted yourself the day previous. If you really, honestly thought the vote should have gone through and that Vablakes should have been lynched then there is no way you should have forgotten, unless you were trying to avoid suspicion by an original bandwagon.
Nail in the coffin: You're pushing for a wagon on someone who's evidence against them has all but been blown out of the water due to the death of Mew and revelation that not all Pokemon are "Pokemon Win" aligned.
Vote: PMysterious
Just for added pressure on your defence.
xxumbreonxx
New Member
@PMysterious: I do not see your point as to why you're standing up for the rest of the players who did not send their lynch in. It may have been everyone's fault as to not have good communication, but with as many players as there are, and 15 of them not voting, it all can't be blamed on "I forgot". For this large amount of people, I could understand 3-5 of them not voting, but certainly not 15. I would also like to add that I think it was incredibly scummy of you to call Prohawk stupid. Granted sometimes we do not make the best choices (and I'm not trying to defend Prohawk) but to call them stupid? If he/she is stupid, and more than one person agrees with them not being stupid, then you do not have a valid statement there. I'm not going to quite send my vote in (there is still more information to be brought to attention I hope) but you better be careful what you say, or my vote is on you.
This is just terrible logic. It is the non-voters fault there was no lynch. You can't have 35% of people not vote and expect a majority vote to pass. You also can't compare a non-vote to a "forgotten" vote. In the end they result in the same thing, it being harder to lynch someone.
Vablakes was up for lynch since we didn't know if all Pokemon had the "Pokemon win" condition. Since we know now that they don't, there's no need to lynch vablakes at this time. He's still done some somewhat questionable things, but my main reason for voting for vablakes has been resolved. The same can't be said about you. Until I hear more from you.
Vote: PMysterious
PMysterious
New Member
Actually, that's not your best interest. Note that only I voted for Vablakes so far.
Mod: Can you bring up a vote count please? It would be useful right now.
Mod: Can you bring up a vote count please? It would be useful right now.
Pikamaster
Active Member
VOTE COUNT:
39 Remaining
20 to lynch
PMysterious- 3 (Prohawk, Benson, SMP88)
PokemonRocks777- 1 (Scorri)
Shinori- 1 (Human Destroyer)
Waynegg- 1 (JewelQuest)
Vablakes- 2 (PMysterious)
39 Remaining
20 to lynch
PMysterious- 3 (Prohawk, Benson, SMP88)
PokemonRocks777- 1 (Scorri)
Shinori- 1 (Human Destroyer)
Waynegg- 1 (JewelQuest)
Vablakes- 2 (PMysterious)
Human Destroyer
New Member
Okay either this is a mistake, PM is a doublevoter, or someone has a secret vote they aren't telling us about.
Just noting that.
PMysterious
New Member
Notice something. Look at Day 1's Vote Count.
On Vablakes, there are 14 people. None of them are duplicates.
This Vote Count on the other hand has something interesting.
Notice that there are 3 votes on me and 2 on Vablakes. However, no one else has voted for Vablakes. If you really want your mind to be blown, it can go even higher than a double vote. In other words, I can go up to 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and even 10.
On Vablakes, there are 14 people. None of them are duplicates.
This Vote Count on the other hand has something interesting.
Notice that there are 3 votes on me and 2 on Vablakes. However, no one else has voted for Vablakes. If you really want your mind to be blown, it can go even higher than a double vote. In other words, I can go up to 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and even 10.
waynegg
CotD Editor<br>Forum Moderator
Correct me more experienced players than me, but doesn't the double voter role quite often go to the wolves to help even out the playing field?
For now
VOTE: PMysterious