Werewolf XVIII: Dimensional Clash: Wolves/Outlaws Win!

[waynegg]

Thanks for the reply.

1)While I do agree that scum intend to act as townie as they can, if the village allows players to act scummy it allows scum to get away with scummy actions themselves. This isn't an efficient means of hunting them, IMO.

For (good) scum it is usually a waiting game until they crack under the pressure. See KP from XVI. He held out on his own for 3 days or so as the final wolf before he committed the DSDS.


2) Yes that does make sense, but my question was more in response to your statement that D2 "would have been the same" (paraphrased). Yeah D1 didn't have lots of immediate, obvious use, but that doesn't mean that D2 would be identical, nor will they not have use later in the game when we can uncover scummy voting patterns and other actions.

A follow-up, not related to this game.

Every WW game I've participated in or watched on the Gym, and why I ultimately decided not to participate in the last two, has been nothing more than pressuring someone until they fold or reveal. When they don't reveal, they are lynched. Once they flip town there's a collective oops, my bad and no real lesson is learned. The same mistakes keep being repeated and nobody learns anything.

That's a big part of the reason why the wolves won last game. Little to no real detective work, little to no traps, and largely mediocre to poor usage of roles has become the norm here from the player base. I would just like to see a game played as intended for once- a game where clues and deductive reasoning are used instead of random pressure to role flip before moving on.

The flip side of the coin you present- 'if the village allows players to act scummy it allows scum to get away with scummy actions themselves'- is that instead we have a game where everyone acts town and the only way our player base knows how to play is pressure flipping. That doesn't exactly make for a fun game.

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Done with that. What's funny is that when I bring up hey, let's look at the list and see if we can learn/deduce anything, there are a couple of immediate detractors saying (paraphrasing) That's stupid. Nothing to see here. Move along. There certainly won't be anything to learn if the tool isn't even used. And why wouldn't you at least give it a shot, unless you're a wolf of course? It may lead to improved game skills and a more enjoyable game.

But, if you don't want to go off the vote list, fine. How about the very short list of those who immediately stood up to distract us from that list then. I mean who would benefit more than wolves by diverting attention from it:

Human Destroyer- I and others have said all game that he looks extremely scummy, and HE STILL DOES. Consequently, he also jumped on the bandwagon vote for me...

ProHawk- Many have said much the same about him. I haven't until now.

What? Are you guys afraid the town may learn something by exploring the tool I stuck my neck out for? You guys really need to explain yourselves.

As to your question ProHawk- 8 votes were 38% of what was needed to vote. I figured I would gain an addition 4-5 (which I did), which would be 62% of what was needed to lynch. 8 was my predetermined stopping point before I even began. Either you didn't look at it properly, or you slyly used the 41 people in the game to further divert eyes from some possibly condemning evidence. Which is it?

 

[ProHawk]

ProHawk- Many have said much the same about him. I haven't until now.[/B]

What? Are you guys afraid the town may learn something by exploring the tool I stuck my neck out for? You guys really need to explain yourselves.

As to your question ProHawk- 8 votes were 38% of what was needed to vote. I figured I would gain an addition 4-5 (which I did), which would be 62% of what was needed to lynch. 8 was my predetermined stopping point before I even began. Either you didn't look at it properly, or you slyly used the 41 people in the game to further divert eyes from some possibly condemning evidence. Which is it?

The only thing I am afraid of Waynegg is lynching 8 townies because you can't see that your gambit wasn't what you thought it was. If you are going to include the 4-5 votes that voted you after you revealed your gambit, why aren't they apart of your possible-scum-list?

My specific question to you was why do you think scum jumped on your wagon when you were doing your gambit?

Here is another question you decided to fly past. Which is the safer play? Vote you early on, or just wait around to see how the dust settles and get a vote in when you are actually looking like you are going to be lynched? Or just plain not vote at all and force the town into another no-lynch?

I am not saying that scum always have to make the safest play, but what I am saying is they would be more likely to play it safe as opposed to taking the risk. This is a game of probabilities and it must be taken into consideration.

You failed to answer that and instead start spouting off that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a wolf. My number reasoning was sound, you never included the additional 4-5 votes in your scum-list so you can't use those numbers toward your percentages. I just called it how I saw it.

I am more than willing to help you try out your theory if you are willing to help me try out mine. I don't care who goes first, you choose.

 

[Benzo]

@PMysteriouse:

OK, I can understand your role claim to a point. Now let me ask a few questions:

You said something to the effect of "Lucario" and "Aura"- is this a hint that you can select a player and "see" what they do at night as far as actions go?

Why are you so bent on Vblakes? If you think he is not townie, I can see why your bent on getting him lynched by way of votes piling up.

If you think SS7 needs to be lynched this day, why not vote for him to be lynched instead of holding onto the Vblakes lynch method of votes against you and still "act scummy" to achieve this lynch?

If you are townie, why set up yourself for a night kill like this?

 

[Shinori]

Apaprently this is day phase.

Sorry. I had requested a sub, apparently that can't be fulfilled at the moment. That's fine.

But I am completely lost at the moment. Soooo I'll just outright claim.

I'm espeon and my ability is like an amnesiac. Each night I can pick a dead person and use their ability for that night. I cannot use the same ability two nights in a row.

 

[ProHawk]

Sounds Legit. Shoulda let us know you were bowing out Shinori, if I missed your post about you requesting a sub, I apologize, but I am pretty sure you never made one...

UNVOTE:Shinori
VOTE: PokemonRocks777

You're next. Whats the deal with not voting at the end of the day? You were voting during the day and just decided to not vote at all?

 

[DarthPika]

Hey guys, I'm here. Been busy the past few days, so I'll need to catch up on the happenings of the day. Expect a post from me some time tomorrow.

 

[PMysterious]

@PMysteriouse:

OK, I can understand your role claim to a point. Now let me ask a few questions:

1. You said something to the effect of "Lucario" and "Aura"- is this a hint that you can select a player and "see" what they do at night as far as actions go?

2. Why are you so bent on Vblakes? If you think he is not townie, I can see why your bent on getting him lynched by way of votes piling up.

3. If you think SS7 needs to be lynched this day, why not vote for him to be lynched instead of holding onto the Vblakes lynch method of votes against you and still "act scummy" to achieve this lynch?

4. If you are townie, why set up yourself for a night kill like this?

1. No, I do not have any seeing role by any chance. I referenced it because in Super Smash Bros. Brawl when you play as Lucario, when his damage goes up, he ends up getting stronger and stronger due to this aura.

2. Um, you see, Vablakes has been the lead wagon for the 2 in game days and the lynch never happened. First was the double modkill on Day 1 thanks to AT. I mean, sure, it got rid of 2 Anti-Towns, but stopping the lynch was just a bad call and he should've said that on a day where a lynch was not going on. On Day 2, it just never happened. In other words, Vablakes should've died Day 1 and I'm going to make it happen this time. I mean, did you see his gambit on Day 1?

3. I did not say SS7 needs to be lynched. All I'm saying is that SS7 is not going to last this game. The wolves are going in with a past victory actually giving confidence to the Wolf Team and they'll know better than to leave SS7 alive. SS7 does not need to be lynched. If he survives after Night 5 this game, then we get suspicious of him. But now, we leave him alone.

4. Well, its best to say that the Wolves are smart enough to leave me alive for 2 reasons.

1: My PR can backfire and lynch a Town and give the Wolves a chance to kill again.
2: It was proven in past games that I'm the Village Idiot and I was given that name from jpulice. (I still have that in my head).

Now, I'm trying to get into a better state in this game and actually do good enough for the Town to win. I mean, if you think I can win Town games 20 times over, well, you've come to the wrong person. I can't do that yet. However, I'm still a work in progress and don't mind me if I change up my playstyle completely next Game Day. I'm trying to find what my strengths and weaknesses are. Once I find those, I'll work on playstyles which cover my weaknesses. That's really what I'm doing this game and maybe I can make up for lost ground in my past games.

 

[SMP88]

2. Um, you see, Vablakes has been the lead wagon for the 2 in game days and the lynch never happened. First was the double modkill on Day 1 thanks to AT. I mean, sure, it got rid of 2 Anti-Towns, but stopping the lynch was just a bad call and he should've said that on a day where a lynch was not going on. On Day 2, it just never happened. In other words, Vablakes should've died Day 1 and I'm going to make it happen this time. I mean, did you see his gambit on Day 1?

Did you see Waynegg's gambit Day 2? Why aren't you voting for him then? Are you also suggesting that AT should not have notified Pikamaster about the shared accounts? Why would he have brought that up Day 2? Vablakes was going to be lynched Day 2 due to the Pokemon win condition, now that we know all Pokemon do not have the same win condition we can hold off on a lynch for right now.

3. I did not say SS7 needs to be lynched. All I'm saying is that SS7 is not going to last this game. The wolves are going in with a past victory actually giving confidence to the Wolf Team and they'll know better than to leave SS7 alive. SS7 does not need to be lynched. If he survives after Night 5 this game, then we get suspicious of him. But now, we leave him alone.

You do know the wolves are different this game, right? Cabd isn't even playing in this game and he was the ringleader. Why would they have confidence, it's a completely different group of people.

4. Well, its best to say that the Wolves are smart enough to leave me alive for 2 reasons.

1: My PR can backfire and lynch a Town and give the Wolves a chance to kill again.
2: It was proven in past games that I'm the Village Idiot and I was given that name from jpulice. (I still have that in my head).

Now, I'm trying to get into a better state in this game and actually do good enough for the Town to win. I mean, if you think I can win Town games 20 times over, well, you've come to the wrong person. I can't do that yet. However, I'm still a work in progress and don't mind me if I change up my playstyle completely next Game Day. I'm trying to find what my strengths and weaknesses are. Once I find those, I'll work on playstyles which cover my weaknesses. That's really what I'm doing this game and maybe I can make up for lost ground in my past games.

So the town should not lynch you so that you could let your PR backfire and maybe lynch a town member? How does that help the town. That statement is completely anti town.

 

[eclipse]

I haven't chosen yet because I'm not quite sure who to vote for, voting for people who can't defend themselves is not what I like doing, PM though I may eventually vote for if he starts acting scummy soon. I'm also a GIRL. just so you know....

And who I think may be a good target? That I'm still having trouble with, AT has mysteriously disappeared, and was very inactive the Second day, so he has my FoS. Vablakes may still be a good vote but I'm not sure about that either.


Wait are you saying that you know something about PM that we don't?

1. Surely after two game days worth of posts and several flips, you'd have some idea of who you would not vote versus who you might vote for. If you aren't sure, reread everything back from the first day. This ties into the second point.

2. Had you read backwards, you would see the post where PMysterious explains his role, which is well before the latest post you quoted.

I can understand inexperience, but I cannot excuse things like failing to read backwards. Mafia is a game of facts/reads, and as people flip, you should reread what they said, given what you have learned about their motivation. I'm glad you gave your suspicions, though.

You make a valid point there. I was confused, I didn't really know if I should vote for PM, but I did anyway because I know I can change it whenever. One player that IS bothering me is Eclipse, and I have a question for him:
Why do you think it's a good idea to bully people? Me AND Pikajewel have valid reasons for not wanting to vote. Some people like to take their time before they make a decision, and that can be more helpful at times rather than just voting on someone because they do one thing thats "anti-town" in your opinion. If you are going to vote on something as small as that, then I will do it right back.

UnvoteMysterious
Vote:Eclipse

I would be an extremely remiss player if I didn't point out things that rubbed me wrong. Saying someone is scummy without leaving a vote is extremely wrong, in my opinion. What purpose does expressing a scumread have, if there's no intent to lynch behind it?

Furthermore, you vote for PMysterious (which I can accept, if you think he's anti-town), then decide he's not worth a lynch after Human Destroyer brings up the exact same point I did earlier? My read on Crimsonsky leaned town, but after your most recent post, I've come to the conclusion that my initial assessment was flawed.

What I'm doing is hardly bullying - it's called pushing a case, and I'd be playing incorrectly if I didn't do this, especially if I feel my vote is warranted. Go reread Day 1 if you can't tell the difference.

My vote stays.

 

[waynegg]

The only thing I am afraid of Waynegg is lynching 8 townies because you can't see that your gambit wasn't what you thought it was. If you are going to include the 4-5 votes that voted you after you revealed your gambit, why aren't they apart of your possible-scum-list?

They are- in my original posts after revealing what I was doing.

My specific question to you was why do you think scum jumped on your wagon when you were doing your gambit?

I answered this long before you even asked it. I'm not one to repeat myself. Vablakes even answered it when he was explaining the strategy of the move on D1.

Here is another question you decided to fly past. Which is the safer play? Vote you early on, or just wait around to see how the dust settles and get a vote in when you are actually looking like you are going to be lynched? Or just plain not vote at all and force the town into another no-lynch?

And this is just argumentative and unproductive. All I have to say here is I didn't say every wolf voted for me, just that it is extremely likely that 1 or 2 did.

I am more than willing to help you try out your theory if you are willing to help me try out mine. I don't care who goes first, you choose.

All I've seen you doing is random finger pointing and trying to pressure people to flip. I don't care to help with that.

 

[Pikamaster]

2. Um, you see, Vablakes has been the lead wagon for the 2 in game days and the lynch never happened. First was the double modkill on Day 1 thanks to AT. I mean, sure, it got rid of 2 Anti-Towns, but stopping the lynch was just a bad call and he should've said that on a day where a lynch was not going on.

It is not thanks to Absoltrainer that there was a double modkill, it is thanks to The Bank and Butternutninja. Rules were broken, I was informed, punishment was passed. If you notice a rule being broken, do NOT wait to report it until you believe you can gain an advantage. If you knowingly take advantage of a broken gamestate, that is no better than breaking the rules yourself.

 

[ProHawk]

They are- in my original posts after revealing what I was doing.



I answered this long before you even asked it. I'm not one to repeat myself. Vablakes even answered it when he was explaining the strategy of the move on D1.



And this is just argumentative and unproductive. All I have to say here is I didn't say every wolf voted for me, just that it is extremely likely that 1 or 2 did.



All I've seen you doing is random finger pointing and trying to pressure people to flip. I don't care to help with that.

How exactly are my questions argumentative and unproductive? Oh wait, if anyone voices opposition to your ideas it's argumentative and unproductive amiright? I couldn't be offering a differing viewpoint to try and actually get the to the truth... I do like how you again skirted my questions again with an answer entirely unrelated. I didn't say every wolf voted for you, and I didn't even say that you said that. What I said was that it isn't extremely likely that 1 or even 2 did. I even provided why I think it wasn't that likely. Which you claim was argumentative and unproductive.

If all I have been doing is random finger pointing and trying to pressure people to flip, then all you have been doing is acting like scum, so why should I follow a scum-leader? See how that works?

I have been explaining my position, and exactly why I believe my method includes scum. Please show exactly where I have ever said, or even implied that I want people to flip their roles. Want to know the difference between you and me? I actually tried to reason through what you were trying to do. You just generalized my play and incorrectly summarized what I was doing. Are you just stubborn town, or aggressive scum? I have yet to decide, but it should get fairly clear as things roll on.

One thing is clear, if you want to be staunchly stubborn, you are tunneling and that is highly unproductive.

 

[JewelQuest]

Well, I must say, if Shinori's role is townie, than the wolves might have a tougher time. It means that if they take out a particularly strong townie role, it can be brought back with Shinori's role. Which means he'll probably be dead soon.
However, I believe that it might be possible for Shinori's role to be anti-town, though I find it unlikely that it would a wolf ability.

Now, I have something to say....

@waynegg: Do you have bad eye-sight, or are you just refusing to acknowledge that I exist? Answer my questions and my points from last game day. If you feel that my points are faulty, then say it. You aren't helping the town by continued to ignore me.

@PMysterioius: First off, if it were a 5 people left with a majority to lynch, that would be three votes to lynch. So, if the other four got on you, you'd be dead.
Second, even if someone has labeled you the 'Village Idiot', that doesn't mean you should act like it. Buck up and start playing this game with logic and reason.
Third, I can believe your role reveal, but I am not convinced of your alignment.
Fourth, wolves go after targets that are most threatening to them at the moment. They won't go after a player because of their past games, but how they are playing now. So, we have no idea when SS7 might die. You are forgetting that the Pokegym WW game system doesn't run on vet reverence anymore.

 

[PikaJewel]

PM I have a pure reason to believe you were not lying about your role now.... but your alignment is still hidden. Eclispe I haven't voted because I don't have any leads that say " THAT GUY IS SCUMMY!!!!!" But right now I'm highly considering voting PM, just cause he has a role like that doesn't mean he's town.


People Might want to hurry up and vote though bEfore our time runs out and another game day gets thrown aWay.

 

[scorri]

scorri wonders why PikaJewel has MEW in capital letters in PikaJewel's post when Mew has already flipped. scorri wonders what message PikaJewel is trying to pass here.

 

[PMysterious]

PM I have a pure reason to believe you were not lying about your role now.... but your alignment is still hidden. Eclispe I haven't voted because I don't have any leads that say " THAT GUY IS SCUMMY!!!!!" But right now I'm highly considering voting PM, just cause he has a role like that doesn't mean he's town.


People Might want to hurry up and vote though bEfore our time runs out and another game day gets thrown aWay.

OH CRAP! IT'S MEWTWO! EVERYONE, LYNCH PIKAJEWEL NOW BEFORE THIS BECOMES A CRISIS. SCREW VABLAKES NOW AND JOIN ME ON THIS ONE. I PROMISE THIS WILL SAVE US!

MeWtwo Is not GoinG to be a Little threat but a big one and we should lYnch This oUtlaw beFore the outlaws get rid of all the enForcers.

Vote: PikaJewel

Here's what I think the Win Cons are.

Town- Get rid of ALL Anti-Town. Standard

Werewolves- Prob the one in XV

Enforcers- All Outlaws are dead and control 50% of the Village.

Outlaws- All Enforcers are dead and control 50% of the Village.

Pokemon- Only Pokemon are alive.

Indies- Whatever the heck they want.

Of couRse, I'm not saying this is trUe But it could BE an accuRate guess. Well, I hope.

 

[Human Destroyer]

Done with that. What's funny is that when I bring up hey, let's look at the list and see if we can learn/deduce anything, there are a couple of immediate detractors saying (paraphrasing) That's stupid. Nothing to see here. Move along. There certainly won't be anything to learn if the tool isn't even used. And why wouldn't you at least give it a shot, unless you're a wolf of course? It may lead to improved game skills and a more enjoyable game.

Uh...how? Bolded is an attempt to discredit those who disagree with you.

But, if you don't want to go off the vote list, fine. How about the very short list of those who immediately stood up to distract us from that list then. I mean who would benefit more than wolves by diverting attention from it:

Yet again, an attempt to discredit people who disagree with him.

Human Destroyer- I and others have said all game that he looks extremely scummy, and HE STILL DOES. Consequently, he also jumped on the bandwagon vote for me...

OMG I MUST BE SCUM I DISAGREED WITH WAYNEGG'S POSITION AND ASKED FOR A "QUICKLYNCH" 24 HOURS BEFORE DEADLINE LYNCH ME NOW FOLKS [/sarcasm]

ProHawk- Many have said much the same about him. I haven't until now.

What? Are you guys afraid the town may learn something by exploring the tool I stuck my neck out for? You guys really need to explain yourselves.

Bolded looks like a towncred attempt combined with an (albeit weak) appeal to pity. "I did this hard work to make this list, why should any townie try to discredit it?

I think I explained well enough: you were playing so scummy, I'd be shocked if most of that wagon wasn't town.

This post looks like an attempt to discredit anyone who disagrees with waynegg. Not only that, it deters people from disagreeing with him in the future. I don't like it, and I still think it's strange people don't want to lynch him.

Unvote: Shinori
Vote: waynegg

24 hours is not a quicklynch, especially when we can't even get in a lynch by the deadline with this playerlist.

 

[Sandslash7]

Every WW game I've participated in or watched on the Gym, and why I ultimately decided not to participate in the last two, has been nothing more than pressuring someone until they fold or reveal. When they don't reveal, they are lynched. Once they flip town there's a collective oops, my bad and no real lesson is learned. The same mistakes keep being repeated and nobody learns anything.

The flip side of the coin you present- 'if the village allows players to act scummy it allows scum to get away with scummy actions themselves'- is that instead we have a game where everyone acts town and the only way our player base knows how to play is pressure flipping. That doesn't exactly make for a fun game.

I really like this part, however I'd say that this is an incredibly cynical perspective on higher level play.

I dislike the gym meta of "push until they flip, then we lynch them if we don't believe their Role Claim." Unfortunately that is the majority of the play that is done here, and that won't change unless players (all players) put work into the game to learn and utilize higher level strategies. This is what you are talking about in your post, higher level strategies. I like that thinking. (we disagree about this particular strategy, however).

Unrelated: This was the impetus behind XVII. Where Ikrit and I removed game-play crutches and forced players to learn actual Day play. We can dialogue about this later if you wish, post-game.



There is really no point in obfuscating something so obviously. If you are going to make a claim, make a claim.



PM ~ Why is Mewtwo so dangerous? If you are a townie what do you have to fear from Mewtwo?



You are making a lot of assumptions about the win conditions. I'm going to analyze your WC statements.

1) Town. Logical, and I agree.
2) Wolves. Why XV in particular?
3) Enforcers. Seems logical. But what if their entire purpose is to lynch one specific role and then they win?
4) Outlaws. Seems logical. But what if their purpose is to resurrect Arceus?
5) Pokemon. Then what happens when "Pokemon" Pokemon and two "Antagonist Group" Pokemon are left (any combination of those variables)?
6) Indies. Yeah I agree with this one.

 

[Absoltrainer]

1.) I'm dealing with personal stuff right now. I will try to post when I can. This is a post made only by the skimming I’ve done.
2.) This wait till the end of the day to vote crap is killing the town

24 hours is not a quicklynch, especially when we can't even get in a lynch by the deadline with this playerlist.

Is there anyone who does not understand that by NOT lynching during the day we are
a.) Giving the wolves FULL ability to control who lives and dies
b.) Gaining ONLY information on the various thing people say. Sure we've learned a lot, but we have absolutely no context to put it in....the most game changing thing we learned was from mod-kills. Day-lynches are essential to winning, the trick is controlling how much collateral damage to ourselves we do in the process. Inaction will not help us.

I would rather see the day end early with a town-decided kill then another no lynch. And please someone try to use that last sentence against me to say "OMG Absoltrainer wants to kill people, he must be a wolf!" Indecisiveness will kill us. We are on DAY 3 and people STILL want to kill the Day 1 suspect, likewise we have people who still want to kill the Day 2 suspect. So now we have a divided town who can't agree on which suspect should die, and all the while a third suspect will pop up and Day 4 the process starts all over again. I have no had time to review Day 2 or most of Day 3 yet to come up with who should die, but someone NEEDS to be lynched today…and don’t give me this “lynching helps the wolves” schtick either. What helps the wolves is granting them immunity from danger during the day….

3.) Enforcers, Outlaws, Pokemon, Independents….
There are 2 people in this game. Town and Scum. Some Independents fall more into one category or the other. Some factions fall into one category or the other. We DO NOT have enough information to go nit-picking on which group we target.

If someone is acting like scum, I do not care if they are a wolf, a Pokemon an independent, an outlaw, and enforcer, or a care-bear. If they are acting like scum and are a threat to the town, they should die. If another group is scum, chances are they are at odds with the other scum groups. Good for them, let them fight it out. I am pretty confident none of these groups have a Day 3 or 4 win condition with this many people left, so I’m really not concerned with them individually. I am concerned with the whole group of “scum” and all factions and people’s who are in that group. Quit nit-picking and go after the scummy people. With this many people in the game we have no basis to be picky yet.

4.) PMysterious
His “role-reveal” said something aura like, Lucario like role or that dude from the anime who had the aura, and Lucario was his partner, whatever his name was. Prove it, or I don’t believe it.

Also this little tid-bit

2. First was the double modkill on Day 1 thanks to AT. I mean, sure, it got rid of 2 Anti-Towns, but stopping the lynch was just a bad call and he should've said that on a day where a lynch was not going on.

Trust me….if I was strategically controlling mod-kills, I’d be a god at this game….PM I don’t even know what to say about you. Your impossible to read, I give you that, but what you say borderlines on insane and my capacity to stop taking into consideration what you say on the sole basis that there’s a 50% chance it has any relevance to anything or make coherent sense is stressed at best.

5.) Vabalkes
I see his name keep popping up…if people think he is scummy, why is he not dead….has he done something or has someone else done something to prove he’s better now than he was 2 days ago?

6.) Waynegg
Same thing. Last I saw everyone wanted him dead, now we have the half and half stuff again. What exactly has changed in his situation? Is he or isn’t he still scummy?

7.) Who are we going to vote for.
This is not a question we can wait until the last day of the game day to decide on. It needs to be decided on much sooner because as we have shown the last three days we have not been able to lynch…a…single…person….

The wolves WILL win if we do not start taking action.

 

[ProHawk]

I say we lynch from the no-voters pile. Lets get a lynch wagon rolling on Pokemonfreak777. He still hasn't said anything...