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Apprentice a substitution for real life play? I don't think so.
Up to a certain degree it's good for practise, but really did you ever looked the "random" way your deck is ordered in apprentice.
 
They can just play with their friends IRL.
I'd rather play in an unsanctioned tournament than a sanctioned one.

Why? Because it'd be a lot more casual (hopefully), and in all honesty probably more beneficial. It could be invite-only, and probably be a lot more fun and exciting.
 
Honestly, how would pop find out if someone stole something? or was charged with assault? do they do background checks on EVERYONE? a jurisdiction is a good idea. your own personal life outside of pokemon shouldn't affect whether or not you get to play at a competitive level.
 
When you steal something at a Pokémon event, POP will find out.
 
ACTUALLY, apprentice has a very good randomization system. It was originally used for the Magic the Gathering trading card game, and is able to support Pokemon through the patch which is editted accordingly to the newest sets. Although, if anyone here remembers playing Unlimited (especially with Neo Genesis cards) the coin flipping would go through streaks of either heads or tails. It never seemed random to me back then. Focus Band anyone?
 
In apprentice the cards are not random. Look at your library.
How often do you find 3 of them same card behind each other?? Even 2 the same is almost not happening.
Now shuffle a deck real live and check how often 2 of the same cards are behind each other.

Random means NO order, actually no computerprogram is able to do anything really random, it's all programmed.
 
Shall we kill each other over a stalemate we can't reasonably expect to break?

So, POP is not allowed by their rule to discuss these matters.
I'm willing to bet that that rule is made by corporate counsel and most workers will tell you what it means in practical terms to act against the general counsel of your company.

So, POP is not going to be able to tell you their side. At all. You will reach any judgment mostly with one side's statements. We'll probably let people keep pounding and pounding for POP to tell all, make more lists, etc. It may not be sensible, and may not be without direct or peripheral consequences, but, we'll "allow it". Just weigh the good and the bad before you take your next shot.

So, Players can talk about their bans all they like. That may or may not be without consequence, I imagine, but we are not stopping them and they have freedom to discuss it.

So, Players are informed of their ban reasons. When? Why were they banned? Ask them for their side of the story! Ask about the timing of the ban notice and why they were banned, in detail. If they choose to talk about it, we'll let them discuss it, within our rules. We probably won't let people keep asking if the person says they don't want to talk about it.

Finally & back on topic, What are the grounds for a long-time ban? Is this question eating you? Do your research from the people who have received long term bans, because they could tell you. Your research might break the board rules, so don't assume you can conduct all or any of it here. If POP had a list of reasons for long-term bans they were willing to publish, we might not let them post all of it on this board.

People feel strongly about bans, but we can treat each other with civility, no matter our opinion, yes? Sometimes, to regain that perspective you have to back off for a while.

For those who are having a hard time cooling their jets, let me observe that after a while, if you keep coming like a bulldog, no one you want to change is going to want to see you coming, no matter how right you are and you will end up more powerless than when you began. To the degree that you were right in the first place, that is tragic.
 
A long time?

any ban that has you missing out on a whole season is a long ban. But its not a complete ejection from the game.

2 years.. now we are into the bigger bans... when you return from a 2 year ban you'll be pretty much starting from scratch card wise.

5 years... go away. cool off. Do some growing up.

10+ years: sorry but you aren't welcome anymore. Go and find a different game.

Note that I believe that an initial ban is more of a suspension whilst all facts are considered and gathered. You are under arrest if you will.

All of this is JMHO
 
NoPoke said:
Note that I believe that an initial ban is more of a suspension whilst all facts are considered and gathered. You are under arrest if you will.
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Pretty accurate. I imagine there are some folks who missed my post here.

Specifically, the portion that says:

Me said:
On a related note (to the topic of this thread), POP typically sets a temporary duration for a suspension while we discuss the final length of the suspension. Many factors go into determining the final duration, which I am not at liberty to discuss. Sometimes the we come to a decision quickly, sometimes it takes time to do the required research, sometimes more important things come up which force the decision onto the backburner temporarily.

Martin, Nick, and Efrain's suspensions were not the first time that this has happened, and likely won't be the last; they just happen to be the highest profile. You may not like it, you may not agree with it, but that's just the way it is.
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NoPoke said:
Note that I believe that an initial ban is more of a suspension whilst all facts are considered and gathered. You are under arrest if you will.
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You are "in the Pokey", so to speak.
 
PokePop said:
You are "in the Pokey", so to speak.
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I believe, with that, 'Pop wins the thread! Can I quote that??


As a side note. A long time ban is really in the eye of the person that recieved it. Ask Pablo or Martin if their bans are (were) long, they will both probably say yes, since they both love to play this game. If you are banned, you can't play competitively, so even missing 1 event is a long time for some.

For someone, who knows they are going to be banned for their planned action, they know they are going to be out for a while - so what is the issue. They brought it on themselves. For those on the banned lists - if we knew the full story on their ban, we would probably fully support the ban (in most cases). Here we only hear one side - the players, PUI is bound by their legal dept not to tell us anything. So all we hear is "I don't know what I did, boo hoo.", so we all say big bad PUI is picking on some poor player that didn't deserve what they got. In most cases, the player did - even if you ask them.

For someone, who has no clue what they did, PUI does advise them, so they are in the "know". Wheather PUI does it fast enough for the players taste, really doesn't matter.

Remember, PUI will do what is nessacary (sp) to protect the majority of the players, staff, and the brand. Even if that means banning some players.
 
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EeveeLover said:
I believe, with that, 'Pop wins the thread! Can I quote that??


As a side note. A long time ban is really in the eye of the person that recieved it. Ask Pablo or Martin if their bans are (were) long, they will both probably say yes, since they both love to play this game. If you are banned, you can't play competitively, so even missing 1 event is a long time for some.

For someone, who knows they are going to be banned for their planned action, they know they are going to be out for a while - so what is the issue. They brought it on themselves. For those on the banned lists - if we knew the full story on their ban, we would probably fully support the ban (in most cases). Here we only hear one side - the players, PUI is bound by their legal dept not to tell us anything. So all we hear is "I don't know what I did, boo hoo.", so we all say big bad PUI is picking on some poor player that didn't deserve what they got. In most cases, the player did - even if you ask them.

For someone, who has no clue what they did, PUI does advise them, so they are in the "know". Wheather PUI does it fast enough for the players taste, really doesn't matter.

Remember, PUI will do what is nessacary (sp) to protect the majority of the players, staff, and the brand. Even if that means banning some players.
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I wish I had that blind faith.
If I had lived in the USA and experienced how the POP program worked out there, I think I also had that faith. People in the USA actually do get answers, they are able to "defend their case".
But I live in Europe in the middle of the disaster called Local Distributor is in charge of the POP program.
so I lost that faith between the message:
"we don't let our distributors fail"
and the next 10 times I got the answer:
"we don't let our distributors fail"

The only message we received here was: we will protect our money flow, no matter what.
This made me very sceptical regarding suspensions in general.
So in regards of the statement of Eeveelover
Yes in case you talk about the USA, I do agree on what you are saying.
In regards of the "rest of the World" I have to say, you are so wrong.

I don't know how long the list with suspended players is, I sure love to know (or how many player were on it from the start, because some suspension already ended)
And I would love even more to know how many players in Europe vs USA are suspended (lets say untill worlds 2006).

I don't think it's a secrect to know how many players are suspended, but the amount will tell me a story, I am convinced about that.
 
Why would it make any difference as to 'where' the suspended players come from, or how many are from any one country as opposed to another?

And since only an International TO would have access to that list...I'd dare state that they, and any other TO, US or Int'l...would not have POP pleased with them should they re-post what's _supposed_ to be confidential info from their site to the 'gym or any other board...

JMHO,
'mom
 
Fireborn said:
INTL TOs don't have access to the INTL banned list. Only LDs have.
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Hmmm...so do the privacy laws in the EU differ from those in the US? Based on that info, I'd hazard the guess that they do, and quite significantly...

'mom
 
SD PokéMom said:
Why would it make any difference as to 'where' the suspended players come from, or how many are from any one country as opposed to another?

And since only an International TO would have access to that list...I'd dare state that they, and any other TO, US or Int'l...would not have POP pleased with them should they re-post what's _supposed_ to be confidential info from their site to the 'gym or any other board...

JMHO,
'mom
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Well let me say it this way, I don't even need per country, per continent would forfill my first need. That if my "feeling" doesn't fail. Per country is even more interesting, I could make some very nice statements with those numbers available.

And NO International TO has access, sorry but only the LD has access.
And why should POP not be pleased, come on, our personal information from a part of the POP website (only access by LD) was several times spreaded to people not involved in OP.
Confidential information? The word only makes me laugh.
Sorry but nobody's privacy is harmed by knowing how many players are/were suspended.
 
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