Where's Plox now?

Discussion in 'Cards: Strategy and Rulings Discussion' started by Dudeman1993, Jul 14, 2008.

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  1. Dudeman1993

    Dudeman1993 New Member

    OK. Celio's, DRE, Scramble and Steven's is gone, and the deck that 50% of the US population has run has taken a serious downfall. Where do you guys think this deck will land in the new DP-On format?
  2. Blaziken 1111

    Blaziken 1111 Active Member

    Celio's not needed because bebe is in someways better. Stevens will be missed a bit but not needed. It will get set up the same speed just the energy will slow it down. It's amazing how slow one energy can make a deck. I didn't think the extra energy attachment was but it built GG in DP-on and without the energy exel it was really slow to attack and when one gardy fell I only had one energy on the second one.
  3. yoyofsho16

    yoyofsho16 New Member

    ...Plox is supposed to run Steven's?
  4. Dennis Hawk

    Dennis Hawk New Member

    He's meaning using them from your opponent's discard pile.
  5. Time for Pain

    Time for Pain <a href="http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?

    if DRE was still in the format GG would be a tier 1 deck just not the only one.
  6. WinkWinkNudgeNudge

    WinkWinkNudgeNudge New Member

    I may be a little bit bored of seeing GG popup and I may have done better if I had played it this season. I think it is pretty obvious that DRE will push GG over the tipping point making a playable but less dominant deck. But don't throw away those Gardys yet. Won't a tech line that delivers 2 supports per turn still find its way in many decks? With GG on the wane won't a there be a richer selection of supporters in the opponent's discard? I can imagine decks maxing out Bebe at least and perhaps Roseanne as well.
  7. Banette EX

    Banette EX New Member

    PLOX is gonna be at worlds hard, Gino is gonna play it most def,and since it won alot of other people will play it. Japan always throws us for a loop so we dont know what their playing,but if they play PLOX,then you know its gonna be teched and work amazing.
  8. Bolt

    Bolt New Member

    Steven's Advice is amazing with Claydol.
  9. PokemansForGeeks

    PokemansForGeeks New Member

    I don't see how the format change is going to take anything away from GG. Sure, it loses DRE but so does everything else. You're forgetting that Psychic Lock is possibly one of the best attacks in the world and combined with Gallade and Gardy lv.x is still possibly the most hard hitting deck in the format. Unless someone finds a way to completely counter GG next format or people just stop playing it for some reason you will still see it being played in large numbers.
  10. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    You never hear of AMU? lol
  11. TheDarkTwins

    TheDarkTwins Active Member

    Well, the big winner in the format change is Magmortar/Typhlosion. It will become playable again becaue you don't need special energies. GG will have issues without DRE or Scramble. It can't deal with no double or triple energies. The fact is that is what makes the deck so good. You can power it up so quickly. Look at Banette. Banette had some issues with GG if they couldn't lock a beach in. Now, your telling me that GG won't have a problem without DRE or Scramble, I have to disagree with you there.

  12. Scipio

    Scipio New Member

    AMU gets murdered by just about everything not named GG ;) (Yeah, a bit exaggerated but hey)
    Decks that can take on GG now that DRE will be gone, as well as Scramble (Scramble'd Gallade is sick as well);
    - Kingdra varieties (Needs to negotiate a bit around PLock, but can take a Gardy handily)
    - AMU
    - Armaldo builds (Whats GG gonna do when they flipped their prizes?)
    - Magnezone (Magnezone can already give GG problems, the improvements the deck gains are just very good)
    - Vileplume.dec (Dont EVER laugh at that thing)
    - Leafeon and pals (Leafeon IS the best Eeveelution to base a deck around)
    Other decks will pop up once we get IFDS (Heatran/Gengar/Dusknoir varieties anyone?). Then there's cards like Starmie and Lanturn who can give GG serious headaches with their sniping/bombing habits.

    GG will still be in the higher tiers, but I foresee a better future for Gardevoir as the Nr. 1 Stage 2 tech rather as the deck itself. I'm considering putting 1-0-1 Gardevoir in my Kingdra build, just for added mid-game speed.
  13. SHPanda

    SHPanda New Member

    AMU? can someone explain what that is?
  14. Chromecatz

    Chromecatz New Member

  15. PokemansForGeeks

    PokemansForGeeks New Member

    Yea I'm definitely gonna have to agree with you on Magmortar being the clear winner (or anything that doesn't utilize DRE, for that matter) but all I was saying was that GG is not going away as quickly as people say it's going to. Yea it'll have set-up problems without DRE or Scramble but it's not enough to hurt it like people say it will.

    And as for AMU, I still don't get it how it has the better matchup against GG. So it can do 200 damage every other turn? That's good?
  16. Polksort

    Polksort New Member

    I dont see how AMU will be such a great deck anyway. Getting out 3 lv.Xs is really inconvenient and they can be easily walled by Mewtwo lv.X. It may be a threat to Plox and G&G but they are not the best cards coming out in L.A., not to mention IFDS.
  17. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    You probably won't even need to God Blast once against G&G. In theory they will never get set up, and even if they do they will have a very hard time making a comeback. And how is Magmortar going to do ANYTHING??? *looks at Kingdra*

    First off, WHY IS EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT IFDS!!??? That set isn't out for a long time, heck we haven't even gotten LA yet so please stop talking about how the cards in it beat everything that we don't even have yet. >_>

    Getting out 3 Lv.x is way easier then you would think, and it's not like you even need them all out by t3. Mewtwo lv.x is not going to be played much, and its easy to get around. As for how good they are, once again leave IFDS out of it, but for LA they are definitly some of the best cards in the set.

    Its AMU. :tongue::wink:

    Finally someone other than me that understands how the deck works. :lol:

    IMO the reason that it's not going to be that popular is because getting 5/6 + lv.x for a deck isn't exactly easy to do.
  18. Blaziken 1111

    Blaziken 1111 Active Member

    Tell me how does GG not get set up. Gardy is still probaly the fastest deck to get set up just not to be attacking. Also how does amu ruin set up. Yes it's fast but are you saying it's a T2 deck or a Donk deck.
  19. vanderbilt_grad

    vanderbilt_grad New Member

    I'll just note that AMU did really well in Japan.

    Blissey did well in Japan then did well here. Gallade did well in japan and then did even better here since we got Gardevoir at the same time. Magmortar did well in Japan and did well here, though not quite as much so as in Japan.

    Yes the formats are different, but to this point the DP cards that do well there tend to do well here too. AMU may or may not translate over, but just based on history the odds are pretty good that it will.

    AMU is filled with basics that attack for 1-2 energy and G&G are weak to all of them.
  20. DarthPika

    DarthPika New Member

    Umm..... I can lock your powers for a turn, do 20dmg + weakness for 1 nrg, 60+ weakness for 2nrg, OHKO anything in your deck, I have no weakness, I run 4 warp point to disrupt you/get at your bench, my Lv.x all have 110 hp with Snow Point stadium, free retreat, built in draw power, prize search, and get set up by t3.

    How are you going to get 3 energy down on a stage 2 pokemon and KO several of mine before I KO it or several others?

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