Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Who thinks that Landorus looking pretty useless?

Politoed666 said:
Mewtwo has a terrible matchup against Rayquaza; they OHKO you relatively easily while you do a whopping 60 to them.

The deck that I'm currently playing actually steamrolls Landorus; that doesn't mean it isn't a really good card. I beat Keldeo, too, and Keldeo is good. Same with Ho-Oh. Every card has weaknesses.

Just because your deck is good against Landorus doesn't make it a bad card lol.
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I'm not saying its a bad card. I'm saying its bad against my deck because I can reduce 40 damage a turn. People are saying its broken because it can hit their Fighting weak pokemon hard. Mewtwo on the other hand is good against everything.

We cat really say Mewtwo sucks against Rayquaza because every Pokemon is bad against it when the cycling start.
 
Politoed, I get how that beats Landorus but prefer and play Keldeo/Blastoise and that's why I raised this thread but I've got no problems with your deck, I just think that since it isn't as quick as Keldeo/Blastoise and it uses Victini (I know it needs it) it might have a few more problems then Keldeo/Blastoise. Problem with Rayeels is that it's popularity is sinking down to tier 2 because of Landorus and more importantly, Keldeo/Blastoise. I've found that Landorus is incredibly easy to beat. I decided to take a break from using Keldeo/Blastoise to use my favorite deck, Hammertime. I battled the infamous Landorus/Mewtwo deck and it was so close but I beat his 3 Landorus with my 2 Darkrai.
 
Why does Rayeels have a problem with Blastoise/Keldeo? I play N and kill your 4+Energy Keldeo. Now you have two or three cards to get yourself out of that situation.
 
Landorus is far from useless. Even if you get your Eviolites out, I'm still dealing pressure T1, whether through catcher, or on the bench. Landorus is also paired with a number of things that can deal with Keldeo and those pesky fighting resisting Pokémon. Hammerhead is just so good of an attack. It can slowly kill things through residual damage, set up KO's for Mewtwo or Bouffalant, set up KO's for Land's Judgement, be charged out of nowhere, and pairs well with Max Potion. Landorus is not broken by any means, but it's still a pretty huge threat that certainly not be handily dealt with as your cherry picked situations say they can.
 
Perhaps the reason Landorus-EX often gets paired with Mewtwo-EX is because the latter can easily puncture a Keldeo-EX with a lot of energy on it. Especially if Landorus can move first and put some early damage on Keldeo.

I actually think Landorus will become much more useful a couple sets from now, for the following reasons:
1) Plasma decks are going to be hitting the competitive scene soon, and Landorus can be good insurance against cards like Thundurus-EX and...well, all the Eeveelutions, as Hammerhead OHKOs any active Eevee.

2) Blastoise/Keldeo is really the only deck he has much of a problem with, and in a couple sets, cards like Leafeon Plasma and Frozen City will be around to give that deck problems. While B/K might not exactly be dead because of those, it will probably be a lot less popular.
 
Larry, Mewtwo just gets countered by itself in Keldeo/Blastoise but then again it can go both ways. Maybe Landorus only appears useful thanks to Mewtwo making everyone look twice at their strategy. Landorus MIGHT get slightly more powerful but I doubt it because since Zekeels and Rayeels are dropping it popularity along with dropping from tier 1 to tier 2 thanks to Landorus and I don't think they'll be recovering anytime soon. You might be right about 3 of the Plasma eeveelutions, Umbreon, Glaceon and Leafeon but I doubt they'll cause much change. About using Plasma Leafeon and Frozen City being used in a Landorus/Mewtwo deck to counter Keldeo/Blastoise, I think you forgot that plasma city would hurt your Pokemon too and to counter it all I would have to do is put about 2 stadium cards in there. For a Keldeo with 4 energy, (which is quite easy) Leafeon is just a free prize.
 
rcxd999 said:
Landorus MIGHT get slightly more powerful but I doubt it because since Zekeels and Rayeels are dropping it popularity along with dropping from tier 1 to tier 2 thanks to Landorus and I don't think they'll be recovering anytime soon.
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If a single card is enough to drop a deck from tier 1 to tier 2, it is definitely not "useless". Without Landorus, Eel decks would probably still be among the best right now.

rcxd999 said:
About using Plasma Leafeon and Frozen City being used in a Landorus/Mewtwo deck to counter Keldeo/Blastoise, I think you forgot that plasma city would hurt your Pokemon too and to counter it all I would have to do is put about 2 stadium cards in there. For a Keldeo with 4 energy, (which is quite easy) Leafeon is just a free prize.
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When did I ever suggest using Leafeon or FC in L/M? I was saying that such cards will be around, and probably used, and they will very easily counter B/K. I doubt anyone in their right mind would actually play L/M with said cards included. As for Leafeon "being a free prize"...not so much with these cards assisting it.
 
What I forgot to say about Zekeels and Rayeels dropping to tier 2, well Keldeo kind of helped with that as well as every other deck. The reason they dropped to tier 2 is because of how slow the energy acceleration is compared to other tier 1 decks. Landorus was just the guy who picked the last straw causing it to drop to tier 2. hmm, that deck, now that you add those cards, seems extremely interesting. Would you mind posting a draft list of this so I see how this deck works.
 
Landorus/Mewtwo doesn't have any acceleration.

All I've seen you do is ask for lists and argue.
 
rcxd999 said:
What I forgot to say about Zekeels and Rayeels dropping to tier 2, well Keldeo kind of helped with that as well as every other deck. The reason they dropped to tier 2 is because of how slow the energy acceleration is compared to other tier 1 decks. Landorus was just the guy who picked the last straw causing it to drop to tier 2.
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Hmm...I wonder what could have made me guess you would mention something about Keldeo there? Oh, right, the fact that that's the only thing you ever say anything good about.

rcxd999 said:
hmm, that deck, now that you add those cards, seems extremely interesting. Would you mind posting a draft list of this so I see how this deck works.
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I'll make another thread for that.
 
rcxd999 said:
joe, all I have to do with Keldeo/Blastoise is attack turn 2 and it's a knock out
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You cant just assume that every game you will get a perfect enough hand to always knock out Landorus. What if you just draw Squirtle and face a Landorus and you have nothing but a dead hand?

Sure you have good odds but I seen Blastoise decks struggle at times to get going if they dont draw well during the 1st few turns.
 
Even if you attack with keldeo turn 2, you assume there is a Landorus in play to actually knock out.

Some LMB players don't lead Landorus if they can help it, especially if they know that there's a lot of Keldeo in the metagame.
 
AzUK, I'm not talking about the deck in specific, I'm talking about Landorus who was going to have energy acceleration until TCG didn't release Ether in Boundaries Crossed but then people found Mewtwo to work with Landorus and found they didn't need the energy acceleration but the Pokedex/Ether combo works for Klinklang's energy acceleration. Larry, (1) I like heaps of decks like, of course Keldeo/Blastoise but I like other decks like Hammertime, Plasma Crobat, Durant, Darkrai/Aggron etc. But at the moment I'm discussing a deck that has the most chance out of all of them at completely beating Landorus/Mewtwo. (2) I can't wait for that thread. Lugia, I said that because you don't really need many cards just 4 energy, a Keldeo, a Squirtle, a Blastoise and a Rare Candy which is pretty easy to get if you draw any supporters and/or Ultra Ball. I've played Keldeo for a month now had have found the chances of not getting this to be every 1 in 6 games, which are pretty good chances but unlike a few chances this one keeps renewing itself every game meaning it could be every 1 in 10 games instead. Kayle, I've battled at least 4 Landorus/Mewtwo decks and each time they started off with Landorus but I'm going to a league next Wednesday so I'll see if what you say is true then.
 
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rcxd999 said:
Kayle, I've battled at least 4 Landorus/Mewtwo decks and each time they started off with Landorus but I'm going to a league next Wednesday so I'll see if what you say is true then.
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I played LMB in several tournaments to pretty solid effect and have dragged every Keldeo/Blastoise game to two prizes (and I think every time to my whiffing on a draw, but this isn't for me to complain) simply by not playing Landorus. Ever.

If your friends/competition are playing down Landorus when they know they're potentially up against Keldeo, I would say that's a fault of their playstyle, not a fault of the deck or card.
 
FSULugia said:
Why are you taking things out of context? I never said it was useless, what Im saying is that its on the level of Sigliyph. Sigliyph is a pretty decent card, its not bad, but its not amazing either. Once your opponent knows you have it, you change the way you play around it. We have Pokemon Catcher, all you have to do is get out the Klinglang and knock it out.

Plus the deck is very slow. It doesnt have any quick ways of busting out energy, meaning that you need to draw incredibly well to do anything. The deck cant capitalize off Junipers and N's that well. You can only drop 1 energy per turn, you need time to get out Klinglang, the rest of the evolution line is very weak. Anyone thats a decent player doesnt stack their decks with just EX's, you play a few non EX's for things like that and Sigliyph. If I see your playing Klinglang, Ill charge up a non EX and proceed to knock you out, your deck will be too slow to counter attack for the most part unless you draw very well and can stall me out or I could get out an early EX and just kill your line off before you get out Klinglang.

And yes Cobalion discards a Special Energy, but what of it? Darkrai and Blastoise decks dont rely on DCE, my HoOh deck doesnt rely on DCE, DCE is pretty powerful and can end games but in no way is it game over if your removing it.

Darkrai and Eel decks are still very popular. They arent going away, and theres no reason why they would. Mewtwo EX already destroys Eel decks 1st turn, I dont see how Landorous is any different. Not every match up will you see Landorous.
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Did you/do you go to FSU? I graduated in 2010, but just moved away from Tallahassee about 6 months ago.


http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=171028

The second most successful deck was Landorus ex based, so it would seem as thought your analysis is fundamentally flawed, at least compared to what has actually happened in real life.

If it's the cornerstone to the second most popular deck, then it seems as though it is definitely not a useless card, right?

It would probably be the most successful card if the #1 deck didn't happen to hit it for weakness.
 
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