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Why Changing Format wont change the fact its still a crapshoot

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Ness said:
No matter what they decide, these statements that "NO ONE WILL PLAY NATS" are so ludicrous. Regardless of the format, Nationals will be another gigantic, fun-filled, 3-day event.

The argument that a midseason rotation turns Nationals into a crapshoot holds no water. You could almost argue the opposite: that a midseason rotation favors good players. Why? Because good players are the ones that develop new deck ideas. The mediocre players are the ones who simply copy decklists. A midseason rotation gives less opportunities for copying other peoples' ideas & deck lists because it forces players to show up with new decks.
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This.

No joke, this is exactly what I was trying to get across...in forcing a mid season rotation and giving players a 'small' amount of time to build decks to play, you're actually challenging the player in a positive manner. The good players will succeed and be rewarded accordingly, the players that can't make the plays themselves will show as such.

I personally recommend that anyone planning on attending nats start testing with the full rotation and rulechange.
 
This entire thread, with exception of the OP, is full of win and the great reasons for the mid season rotation could not be better expressed.

I mean look at the quality of players in this topic that are behind this idea. Several (dozen) Worlds Top cutters, past National and World Champs. I mean really, this is what needs to happen.
 
I bet that the OP just wants the format to stay so he doesnt have to lose his luxchomp deck.
I mean sp has been on top since what like almost 2 yrs now.
Its time to hold on to your horses kiddos and get ready for what needed to be done LAST year..................a new deck format.
It should have been PL-on now but whatever.
I'm all for the mid season rotation,
And by the way for md-on i have been playing fun league decks at the tornys.
i didnt like this format so i didnt want to spend like 400 dollars on 1 deck.
 
ANY deck, even when you don't foresee the enemies, will have obvious weaknesses to certain things whether you know what Pokemon is dealing the effect or not. Just cover those weaknesses. I don't think there will be some end-all secret combo that defeats everything.

As long as your idea is solid and well-covered, you will do well. More importance will be placed on your engine more than anything else. I <3 this format. I can not wait for Nationals.
 
Sebastian isn't a scrub. I may not agree with how he has made his point but there is merit in it. If he had said that the metagame should develop over the season with new sets enriching the format for the strong players and deckbuilders without throwing everything away who would have disagreed?

I agree with the general sentiment that HGSS-on will be better than MD-COL but no one should be disagreeing that a big change before nationals makes for an unstable format too. Just why do you think that P!P limit their big rotation to the begining of the season? Surely it is to give some time for the dust to settle after the shake up: to allow time for a rudimentary metagame to develop.
 
Before, there were maybe 6-7 viable decks... Now there's so many, that we have no idea how many there will be. I don't see how anyone can 100% dislike that,
 
I don't like the idea of rotation because it messes with what the entire purpose of having seasons is.

Practically the entire season I played a version of LuxChomp, and I know many others did the same with SP variants, VileGar, Gyarados, etc. because that's what we expected to be big when nationals and worlds came. Granted, I will not be going to either event, but if I was, I would be pretty upset.

Think about it like this.. you're playing soccer for a team. You and your team practice the entire season for the big tournament. Two months before it they announce that you will instead have to play basketball. That's, what 8 months of preparation wasted?

I think the easiest course of action to have taken is just not implemented Black and White Rules. We would not have to deal with the ultimate Sabledonk, and therefore the game wouldn't be absolutely 'broken'.
 
Interesting comments on both sides.

Let's start with a few things:

I am not a world class player.
I will admit, I am not a good deckbuilder.
Yes, I do copy decks online, and then I play with them and tweak them to my playstyle.
I play against very good players with good records, and I have a good win record against many.
I'd consider myself a *good* _player_. A *GREAT* player is one who plays well in games AND can deck build. I'm not there yet.

I built a deck this year that has great matchups across the field that I was going to bring to Nats for MD-on.

That being said, I have ALWAYS gunned for a HGSS-on format and a mid season rotation.

Will I need to actually BUILD A DECK NOW? Yes.
DOes this severely hurt my chances at Nationals? YES.
DO I understand where the OP is coming from? YES.

Is the HGSS rotation the best thing to happen to the format? YES
Will I get over my complaining, and you should follow suit? YES
 
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Swordfish1989 said:
Think about it like this.. you're playing soccer for a team. You and your team practice the entire season for the big tournament. Two months before it they announce that you will instead have to play basketball. That's, what 8 months of preparation wasted?
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That's not a good analogy. The Pokemon equivalent of that would be us playing the Pokemon TCG for the entire season to have an announcement before the big tournament that we have to play with Yu-Gi-Oh cards instead. Your soccer analogy should be more like... you play outdoor soccer all season to find out that the big tournament will be played indoors. You still have your skills intact, you have to adjust a bit, but the better soccer team should come out ahead. :tongue:

Also, though PokeMom's being redundant, she's right. POP couldn't just ignore the implementation of the new B&W rules. That option was not on the table for them.
 
eriknance said:
That's not a good analogy. The Pokemon equivalent of that would be us playing the Pokemon TCG for the entire season to have an announcement before the big tournament that we have to play with Yu-Gi-Oh cards instead. Your soccer analogy should be more like... you play outdoor soccer all season to find out that the big tournament will be played indoors. You still have your skills intact, you have to adjust a bit, but the better soccer team should come out ahead. :tongue:

Also, though PokeMom's being redundant, she's right. POP couldn't just ignore the implementation of the new B&W rules. That option was not on the table for them.
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PokeMom is not being redundant, she's stating something very simple that many people can't seem to understand...
 
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Pablo said:
PokeMon is not being redundant, she's stating something very simple that many people can't seem to understand...
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Oh, I agree completely. Didn't mean to sound rude, just saw her posting the same thing a bunch on some other threads. But yeah, people can't seem to understand that important point for some reason.
 
I prefer an 'I don't know what decks to build/counter' crapshoot to an 'oh look it's Sableye!' crapshoot.
 
Now to all those who say that this whole year's format has been complete and utter garbage, I kind of agree with you, but maybe I'm crazy but look at some of the top players (I've never seen Pooka up there before... ohh wait). Granted the format was bad, but top players were still consistently winning most of the major tournaments. However, with this new format I see there as being almost no chance of that happening.

Scenario: Top ranked players in the world enter Nationals play against random local (first tournament of course) but heard about this great deck that runs this guy called Sableye and they proceed to win the game turn 1, obviously they clearly out predicted and outplayed the higher ranked players the win was fair (ohh wait.....).

I know I was seriously debating sitting out Nationals if the format is MD-on, and I imagine I wasn't the only one (I was going to play some VGC ohh yaaaaaa). However, with this possible change I'm really really really excited to actually try out different decks, playtest and all these other things I honestly have not needed to do in a few years because the format was pretty cut and dry and had such a huge luck factor that I did not even see the need to practice.

To actually get back on topic (sorry...), the OP seems a little bitter about a midseason rotation, but even just changing the rules to BW rules causes a pretty major shift, and yes they are counter able but as others have said they just increase the speed of a game that was already getting much too fast.

I actually stopped to think about what Pokemon was like the season before GG and Claydol, and I realized there wasn't as much search power as there is now (Yes there was Pidgeot I'm aware), and yet still the games went on people generally didn't take 10 minute turns using all of their powers and such, and this new format HGSS on looks to be something similar. There is no Uxie, no super crazy draw that lets you go through YOUR ENTIRE DECK in 1 turn (how is that fair, i'm pretty sure in almost no other TCG's does that ever happen), and yes I understand that may be rare, but you can currently build your deck around just doing that. If implemented this format looks like a whole lot of fun, and would definitely make me think that whoever wins Nationals or Worlds 100% deserves their victory (I'm not saying the previous National/World Champions don't deserve it, but I'm still bitter watching that Uxie Lv. X being top decked like that......).

So ya, wall o' text doubt anyone will really read it, but new format =good :D.
 
Here's what I say to everyone who's bellyaching: Adapt or die.

If you don't adapt to your new scenario, you will be defeated. You'll have no one to blame but yourself. The people who constantly complain about this and that, and TCPi not doing things right, "blah, blah, blah" are just people who can't adapt. The best players are constantly doing new things, trying new techs, etc. If you want to win, you'll do what it takes, it's that simple.
 
The rotation announcement isn't the satisfying part. When the metagame develops and a few months down the road when people are back to crying about the top HGSS-On deck and how its more broken than SP or whatever. That's when the whole episode goes full circle. I love the part where everyone complains after getting what they wanted for so long.

Just playing the devil's advocate.

I think the slow format will bore some people into not playing anymore.
 
I'm going to start off by saying that I have not read a single post in this thread, with the exception of the OP. Please forgive me if I hit on a point that someone has already made.


The OP claims that the format will be bad because it will not leave enough time for the players to "weed out" the bad deck? I think that's an absurd claim to make. The format will be ripe, healthy, and brand new. It will allow the good players a chance to make the best deck, and have it not get out in time for all of the net deckers to copy it.

This is a great change(assuming it goes through), I've already started assembling HGSS-ON decks. The only people who are complaining about this are the people who netdeck all the time, or those who rely on an autopilot deck to do well.

"Crapshoot" ? Yeah, for the bad players
 
Yeah, the soccer to basketball analogy is inaccurate, not only in the way that Erik mentioned, but because the mere CONCEPT of a TRADING CARD GAME introduces new cards and mechanics to the game usually 4 times a year! The testing you do for Cities IS "worthless" once the next set comes out for States! We DON'T have a "season long format" we have multiple new formats every time new cards get released. You can undersell how much of a difference these " changes" make but to anyone who actually wants to win, they are HUGE. You'll complain about the REMOVAL of cards, but won't acknowledge the change of when cards get ADDED? Same concept, same impact.
 
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