Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Why have you given up on Amphytric? It will be great for Reginals.

My little brother had just built a fresh AmphyTric and play ed against my quite solid Dialga G "toolbox" build. He set up quite fast, but i did also, however i might have made a mistake not going for the T2 Lv.X cause i would not have KOed his active Mareep with Remove Lost.

We both had good set ups, nothing spectacular, but when he finally got a Damage Bind combo going, i was able to just whip out Time Crystal.

Amphy PT's 2nd attack allows you to almost 2-Hit Dialga Lv.X, it's nice, so it helps with that.

He ended up winning the game, so I guess AmphyTric does have some advantage over Dialga, if they have a much more superior set up
 
Ardoptres said:
And while the Dialga player just poisons you to death you do.... what?
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Are you seriously suggesting the Dialga G player Deafen + Poison Structure an Ampharos to death?

There's so much hype behind Dialga G people think anything outplays it. I realize Ardoptres thinks otherwise, obviously by his second response lol :p but seriously... If Amphy can get past the first couple turns against Dialga G, it's still a winnable game. I've personally played this match-up, though I know personal experience doesn't count for much. Resistance helps a lot, and by the time the first Amphy goes down you hopefully have another. Amphy SW is key in this match-up, the extra damage across the field really adds up. I'd personally soften Dialga G with a Amphy PL first, move the energy to a benched Amphy SW so I'm ready after I'm KO'd, then return the KO next turn. This is assuming Dialga KO's Amphy in 2 turns, sometimes it really can't. And Amphy plays Crobat G's anyways for quick Claydol locks, so metals can be played around.
 
Ardoptres said:
People realized that after the first weekend of CCs, lol.

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Apparently not. lol.
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I don't see how you arguing with this, is going to change my mind - so why are you?

My opinion on my metagame and BDIF, meant I drew up a list that me and my brother both took second with at States. My opinion is obviously worth something.

If you don't agree with what someone's said, just ignore it. Everyone's got their opinions and styles of thinking and play - mine certainly is working for me.
 
I suppose the people who say things like that were winning all their CCs with Gigas while everyone else was still saying it sucked. You can't argue with people who are THAT pro (in hindsight) :rolleyes:

On topic: I do keep trying to make an AmphyTric deck that works, but the problems are not so much Deafen Lock, or even Dialga G LV X. It's the unstoppable Crobat drops that hurt, and the fact that Ampharos can't make up for having its combo shut down with big damage output. Right now that means it loses to Dialga G, Gengar, and Machamp, which isn't good.

I love the deck, and really wish it was competitive, but . . . :frown:
 
baby mario said:
It's the unstoppable Crobat drops that hurt, and the fact that Ampharos can't make up for having its combo shut down with big damage output. Right now that means it loses to Dialga G, Gengar, and Machamp, which isn't good.
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Exactly! That's the biggest problem with the deck... So many things play Crobat. The only ways I can think of around it is to punish their bench space with Dusknoir DP, and/or just hope things go well with a 2-1 or 3-1 Uxie line in the deck too.
 
Even Legos, in which about half the deck has weakness to Amphytric would simply run over it. Your silly little body does NOTHING against the likes of Uxie/Mesprit/other from the hand powers. You would never get set up against a good Palkia deck. Dilga based decks are equally bad for amphy. Considering that both builds are very popular and probably close to BDIF status, AND that there will be many Machamp to counter them (another bad deck for amphy), I really think that using Amphytric would be a huge mistake.
 
nnaann said:
Dialga G is Tier 1 which means it will see alot of play. Machamp is an obvious counter, that will see alot of play.

Both these hurt Amphytric badly - not to mention 3 cost attack for 70?

I dont't think this deck was ever as good as people hyped it to be.
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I agree with this post.
It was never that good to begin with due to the metagame.
 
DarthPika said:
Even Legos, in which about half the deck has weakness to Amphytric would simply run over it. Your silly little body does NOTHING against the likes of Uxie/Mesprit/other from the hand powers. You would never get set up against a good Palkia deck.
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A good Amphatric has about 70/30 against Palkia G. Dropping Mesprits doesn't prevent the opponent from setting up two Pokémon, and Amphatric is one of the decks that doesn't rely on powers. Manectric blocks any spread and Ampharos OHKOs for 2-3 energy, while Lost Cyclone is blocked. The only shot for Legos to build Amphatric is to set up Dialga G Lv.X, but weakness stilll remains. If you win against Amphatric with Legos in another way, you probably play better than your opponent or have a better build. Most good players don't run Amphatric because of Machamp and other autolosses, so there will be very few really good Amphatrics around.

However, Amphatric's main advantages are completely shut down but a single card that's very common in the current metagame, and in addition to this, it has weakness to a common type. The deck may have good matchups against Kingdra, Legos and some other decks like Blastcatty, Blaziken and DuskGar. But some of these decks play Dialga G Lv.X which turns the matchup back once they are able to set it up.
 
amphy#1 said:
Gengar's power does not work around Amphy
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Actually, since it is when Gengar is knocked out by damage the his power takes effect, he has no damage counters at the time of its taking effect, so the power can be used.
amphy#1 said:
Manetric protects against Shadow Room.
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Manectric's body only protects Damage, placing damage counters is an effect of an attack, so it would not be prevented.

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Shen said:
Are you seriously suggesting the Dialga G player Deafen + Poison Structure an Ampharos to death?
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Actually, I believe he's suggesting Deafening + Poison Structuring a Mareep to death.
 
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rerisenphoenix, Gengar cannot use Feinting Spell under Damage Bind. You activate the Power before clearing the damage counters and discarding the KOed Gengar, and so the damage counters would still be there and they would still activate Damage Bind, which would bar Feinting Spell. You can check the Compendium on this one.
 
Thank you for the clearing up of the Fainting Spell thing butler, cause i could have sworn Fainting Spell got shut off.

Anyway, me and my little brother played against today

Matchup:AmphyTric vs. GG/AMU
For those of you who don't want to read through the run through, AmphyTric won 2 of the 2 games we played

So the 1st game i had a terrible start while he started pretty much his best start, but that's just gonna happen every once in a while

In the 2nd game, I T2 Gallade, Uxie draw, Kirlia for a Gardevoir, and an Azelf, but that is equally matched by his next turn (turn 3) Amphy PT, Amphy SW, Manectric, and Claydol, so we are both ideally set up.

The big thing with AmphyTric is it can swarm Power Waves, which is NO FUN with decks that play the AMU cards, he took pretty much all the prizes he needed within 3 turns, and not being about to use powers is no fun either

So through mine and my little bros testing

AmphyTric def. Dialga G Toolbox (1 Game)
AmphyTric def. GG/AMU (2 Games)

I'll let you think whatever you want
 
PokePockets said:
Thank you for the clearing up of the Fainting Spell thing butler, cause i could have sworn Fainting Spell got shut off.

Anyway, me and my little brother played against today

Matchup:AmphyTric vs. GG/AMU
For those of you who don't want to read through the run through, AmphyTric won 2 of the 2 games we played

So the 1st game i had a terrible start while he started pretty much his best start, but that's just gonna happen every once in a while

In the 2nd game, I T2 Gallade, Uxie draw, Kirlia for a Gardevoir, and an Azelf, but that is equally matched by his next turn (turn 3) Amphy PT, Amphy SW, Manectric, and Claydol, so we are both ideally set up.

The big thing with AmphyTric is it can swarm Power Waves, which is NO FUN with decks that play the AMU cards, he took pretty much all the prizes he needed within 3 turns, and not being about to use powers is no fun either

So through mine and my little bros testing

AmphyTric def. Dialga G Toolbox (1 Game)
AmphyTric def. GG/AMU (2 Games)

I'll let you think whatever you want
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This doesn't really prove much...

Tournaments show the real results, not your playtesting.
Amphytric won... nothing.
 
At my last states I played Dialga/Palkia against Amphytric and didn't give up a prize. Enlighten me on how they get past Mesprit drops and not being able to use Rare Candy?
 
yoyofsho16 said:
This doesn't really prove much...

Tournaments show the real results, not your playtesting.
Amphytric won... nothing.
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So really, then we should just all pick a deck, not even bother to practice with it, and then just go blindly into tournaments thinking we will win? Alright then...whatever you say guy =/

As for the previous post. It is hard for them to set up not using Rare Candy and Powers. Deafen Lock is definitely hard for them if you decide to chain it, as well as Power Lock, but it's hard for something to win if you chain lock an entire game, unless you simply take it to time and use one big hit, which could be an option. I am just simply posting what I am seeing in games played with AmphyTric, you can all think what I am saying is the word of the devil, call me a heretic, and disregard it completely, I don't care.
 
PokePockets said:
So really, then we should just all pick a deck, not even bother to practice with it, and then just go blindly into tournaments thinking we will win? Alright then...whatever you say guy =/

As for the previous post. It is hard for them to set up not using Rare Candy and Powers. Deafen Lock is definitely hard for them if you decide to chain it, as well as Power Lock, but it's hard for something to win if you chain lock an entire game, unless you simply take it to time and use one big hit, which could be an option. I am just simply posting what I am seeing in games played with AmphyTric, you can all think what I am saying is the word of the devil, call me a heretic, and disregard it completely, I don't care.
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You're taking his post waaaay out of context. He was just saying that 4 playtest games against a few random decks and a dialga is not going to accuratly show whatever kind of non-exsitent advantage Ampharos has against the rest of the format. He never said it's a bad thing to playtest before a tournament.

Run on sentence ftl.
 
True, I probably did, and I apologize for that, but still, it's not like we are talking about WINNING Regionals with AmphyTric.

We are talking about why we have all forsaken it, and why it would not be a good choice for Regionals. I'm not saying that because I have played 4 games that it is the play, etc. ,etc. I am just saying that through 4 games it looks viable, and it very well could be a power play at Regionals. I will do more testing of course, I just thought everyone would like to know that AmphyTric isn't as bad as everyone thought it was
 
If a deck can't win, then why bother even using it? It would be really depressing going into a tourney knowing that your deck has no chance of winning...
 
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