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But, many of those people are very well respected. People who are experts in fields related to some of the top issues, and major movers and shakers in our world. I don't care about the press or the hollywood people on those lists. Just look at the number of experts that back Obama as opposed to the complete lack of backing that McCain has.

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I'm not sure if this is even English, but (if I read it correctly) they aren't even related to each other.

Raising Taxes for a Health Care Plan would be the same thing McCain does, they've both said so. The money has to come from somewhere.

Obama is a Democrat, one of our party values is Pro-Choice, so the abortion issue is obvious. Partial Birth Abortion is supported not for mothers that decide to get an abortion once they start labor, but to save the mother's life.

I'm not sure why you have a problem with peaceful resolution as opposed to warfare.


um. partial birth abortion is not usually done to save the mother's life.
It could. However when it was legal there were many cases in which the baby was kicking when it was killed with the doctors scissors in the back of it's head.

murder ftl.

I typed in English hun learn what Partial Birth Abortion and what Born alive is.

I agree both of the parties are going to spend money. However the way Obama wants to tax people that earn over 100k a year is insane.
I do not like the way the Republicans are spending money either. But Obama wants to get rid of people's 401k plans and develop a Government ran retirement plan [that's not social security.] Sounds like he wants to control the money.


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obama is going to tax more to the people that earn more than 250 thousand people that have made the american dream..... and give it to people that dont even pay taxes. this is why i am 100% mccain
 
obama is going to tax more to the people that earn more than 250 thousand people that have made the american dream..... and give it to people that dont even pay taxes. this is why i am 100% mccain

Thank you for giving us a 3rd grader's (inaccurate) description of McCain and Obama. ;x

PS - Cyrus, I totally get what you're saying but in today's world of greed and corruption I somehow doubt if we didn't have government clawing at our money we would ever get anything done/help people out. Just look at the recent bank failures, today's health care system, and our dependence on foreign oil.

A lot of my beef has to do with American's lifestyles, not the whole political system. I'm definitely more well-suited for Europe or Canada. ;x

I'm really sick of the whole political game. I'm sure both sides are equally corrupt, I just tend to think McCain has lost his mojo (and his honor for that matter), Palin is all phony bs, and Obama/Biden truly wants to change the game for the betterment of the majority of people. I could be wrong but what McCain/Palin has shown (or lack thereof) is just more of the same, political pundit garbage.
 
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Just as a side note, today in American Goverment I learned that both the upper AND LOWER levels of intellengence tend to vote for democrat, while the middle of the intellengence scale votes republican.
 
I agree both of the parties are going to spend money.

Yep. Some would label that kind of thing Socialist, but those people are just foolishly ignorant. Taxes are levied and used for roads, schools, libraries, police and fire departments, hospitals, and the military. Public benefits from private income, property, and sales taxes. Call it Socialist, as if that is a bad thing, and stay off our roads, out of our libraries and schools, don't use an emergency room without the ability to pay, and please don't bother anyone if you are robbed or your house burns down.

However the way Obama wants to tax people that earn over 100k a year is insane.

Can you please provide a link for this assertion? My understanding is that President Obama would increase taxes 3%, reversing the Bush tax cut, only on those families making over $250,000 NET. As an example, 99.9% of plumbers would be exempt from a tax increase, and the vast majority would actually see their taxes lowered.

Citation link:
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/
http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/

I do not like the way the Republicans are spending money either.

Some of the things Republicans spent money on when they held the Presidency, the Senate, and the House of representatives for six years were fine with me, but on other expenditures I too had concerns

But Obama wants to get rid of people's 401k plans and develop a Government ran retirement plan [that's not social security.]

Seriously, I understand your concern and fear. I would NEVER vote for someone advocating moving people's retirement plans from government protected and insured Social Security with it's automatic cost of living adjustments to a Government ran investment personal account investment plan.

When Bush tried to move people from safe and secure Social Security to personal retirement accounts, with McCain's support, I can only thank God that Obama spoke against it and the Democrats were able to stop this foolish gamble.

With the stock market down 40% from recent highs, many retirees would have had their savings wiped out, and would have been forced out of their homes, starving, and unable to pay for medical prescriptions.

You might be confusing the dangerous Bush/McCain/Graham/Greenspan plan with a sensible Obama plan. 40 economists grade McCain harshly for his dangerous positions on retirement accounts.
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/15241
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/seniors/

Of course, I look forward to your links to support your assertions.

Sounds like he wants to control the money.

As it appears that most of the information you have presented regarding Obama's positions on the economy, taxes, and retirement accounts might be in error, it seems like, just maybe, you heard wrong. Could be you are listening to the wrong people.


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I think all of you that dismiss the " 14. Palin is an idiot." point are ignorant. I'm not sure if you've heard the news, but I think last time I heard it, 50% or more of the population disapprove of Sarah Palin. So, honestly, I think the republicans DO need to address the point.

I don't know if she is an idiot or not, but all signs point to yes, she is. At least that's what the media has told me. Now, I'm not saying their right, but I haven't heard much positive for Palin from any republicans lately.

So, I believe Alex has a good point, not one for all of you to dismiss so easily.
 
I think all of you that dismiss the " 14. Palin is an idiot." point are ignorant. I'm not sure if you've heard the news, but I think last time I heard it, 50% or more of the population disapprove of Sarah Palin. So, honestly, I think the republicans DO need to address the point.

I don't know if she is an idiot or not, but all signs point to yes, she is. At least that's what the media has told me. Now, I'm not saying their right, but I haven't heard much positive for Palin from any republicans lately.

So, I believe Alex has a good point, not one for all of you to dismiss so easily.

Considering that over 50% the country seems to be mindless sheep believing what ever they are told, I think its stupid to listen to what they say.
 
The GOP campaign advisors are actually reporting that Palin is going "rogue" on the McCain campaign in the recent weeks. Now, this can be seen as a good thing and a bad thing. Good, because it shows she doesn't care about the establishment and bad because as a politician, she's supposed to adhere to the establishment. She'd be a good anarchist, but a horrible politician.
Oh wait! Isn't she married to a man who belonged to a party that wanted to secede from the USA?? Yea, she is!

No but seriously if you think Palin is even remotely qualified there's something wrong with you. She's wayyy too incompetent to even put into words. The only topic where I agree with her is on abortion and even that she takes too extreme.

BTW Thank you Mikey for your support!
 
Any thought that McCain was a maverick went out the window when he chose Palin.

If you thought McCain would govern as a moderate, think again. He has bent to the will of the extreme right-wing of the republican party.
 
Any thought that McCain was a maverick went out the window when he chose Palin.

If you thought McCain would govern as a moderate, think again. He has bent to the will of the extreme right-wing of the republican party.

I really do wish that were true
 
Shouldn't the title of this thread be "Obama's 20-point Marketing Plan"?

Shouldn't the title of this thread be "Obama's 20-point Marketing Plan"? He's purchased your support. I'll grant you 20 wonderful wishes by vaguely-defined magical means if you just give me your vote!
 
Thank you for giving us a 3rd grader's (inaccurate) description of McCain and Obama. ;x

PS - Cyrus, I totally get what you're saying but in today's world of greed and corruption I somehow doubt if we didn't have government clawing at our money we would ever get anything done/help people out. Just look at the recent bank failures, today's health care system, and our dependence on foreign oil.

You know, you really have to stop justifying higher taxes with common good. Try another argument. It's embarassing as a liberal/moderate former mccain democrat to read some of your posts.
 
With McCain, there's at least some hope for genuine, GOOD change. Unlike Barack Obama, who has spent his entire life being a follower, McCain has taken risks by sticking with what he believes. From the Gang of 14, changing his mind on McCain, that's just the kind of guy he is.


"1. He doesn't run a smear campaign despite saying he's campaigning on "straight talk.""

-What did Barack Obama promise?

A new kind of politics.

What did Barack Obama give us?

The campaign that destroyed Hillary Clinton.

The campaign that lies about the Ayers association (William Ayers and Barack Obama crossing paths on a street sounds like a bad joke), and wishes it would go away, when it is Obama himself who has the power to stop it.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/dozens_of_call_center_workers.php

Dozens Of Call Center Workers Walk Off Job In Protest Rather Than Read McCain Script Attacking Obama
By Greg Sargent - October 27, 2008, 5:18PM

"Some three dozen workers at a telemarketing call center in Indiana walked off the job rather than read an incendiary McCain campaign script attacking Barack Obama, according to two workers at the center and one of their parents.

Nina Williams, a stay-at-home mom in Lake County, Indiana, tells us that her daughter recently called her from her job at the center, upset that she had been asked to read a script attacking Obama for being "dangerously weak on crime," "coddling criminals," and for voting against "protecting children from danger."

Williams' daughter told her that up to 40 of her co-workers had refused to read the script, and had left the call center after supervisors told them that they would have to either read the call or leave, Williams says. The call center is called Americall, and it's located in Hobart, IN.

"They walked out," Williams says of her daughter and her co-workers, adding that they weren't fired but willingly sacrificed pay rather than read the lines. "They were told [by supervisors], `If you all leave, you're not gonna get paid for the rest of the day."

The daughter, who wanted her name withheld fearing retribution from her employer, confirmed the story to us. "It was like at least 40 people," the daughter said. "People thought the script was nasty and they didn't wanna read it."

A second worker at the call center confirmed the episode, saying that "at least 30" workers had walked out after refusing to read the script.

"We were asked to read something saying [Obama and Democrats] were against protecting children from danger," this worker said. "I wouldn't do it. A lot of people left. They thought it was disgusting."

This worker, too, confirmed sacrificing pay to walk out, saying her supervisor told her: "If you don't wanna phone it you can just go home for the day."

The script coincided with this robo-slime call http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/another_new_mccain_robo-slime.php running in other states, but because robocalling is illegal in Indiana it was being read by call center workers.

Representatives at Americall in Indiana, and at the company's corporate headquarters in Naperville, Illinois, didn't return calls for comment."







"With McCain, there's at least some hope for genuine, GOOD change...
McCain has taken risks by sticking with what he believes...
He doesn't run a smear campaign despite saying he's campaigning on "straight talk."..."

NO. McCain is about the same dirty old slimy pathetic political filth that his close ally, George Bush, found so effective in 2000 and 2004. Maybe McCain was once principled, a straight talker, but now he is just a failed sliming sell out. He doesn't believe anything, but will say anything. Pathetic merchant of lies, hate and fear.







"The campaign that has fueled the fires of sexism, racism, and prejudice with no regard for who gets hurt in the process...
The campaign that's not a new kind of politics, but stereotypically like those of the olden days."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF5ZkgNNBQE

Listen at about :40 for the N-bomb. Palin hears it, gathers herself up, and continues louder than before. Doesn't stop. Doesn't say anything about it.

The campaign that harkens back to the olden days of racism, prejudice and a complete disregard for others is clearly the McCain/Palin campaign. "Kill him," "off with his head," "traitor", and now, "Because he's a n_____!"

"Mission Accomplished" at another McCain/Palin campaign rally.







For you, and every other McCain supporter, I respect your passion if not your grossly distorted sense of reality. With sense of humor intact, I offer you a link to your next bumper sticker. Supply side loving Republicans are going to love that an entrepreneurial spirit has anticipated your demand.

http://bumperstickers.cafepress.com/item/dont-blame-me-i-voted-for-mccain-sticker-bumper/320575146
 
Seriously, I understand your concern and fear. I would NEVER vote for someone advocating moving people's retirement plans from government protected and insured Social Security with it's automatic cost of living adjustments to a Government ran investment personal account investment plan.

When Bush tried to move people from safe and secure Social Security to personal retirement accounts, with McCain's support, I can only thank God that Obama spoke against it and the Democrats were able to stop this foolish gamble.
Seriously? Social security is a low-return, unconstitutional loser. Why do you think most _public_ employment systems opt out of Social Security and instead utilize their own retirement funds? Higher returns. Does it take discipline and personal responsibility to save for retirement? Yes. Should the federal government force everyone to save, utilizing a poorly managed low-return system?

With the stock market down 40% from recent highs, many retirees would have had their savings wiped out, and would have been forced out of their homes, starving, and unable to pay for medical prescriptions.

Only if these hypothetical retirees have every penny of their retirement in an undiversified, high-risk/high-yield 401k account. Too bad our government made holding cash a reliably bad investment, with a negative annual return of 2-4%, eh?
 
Obama is like I don't take money for my campaign from big businesses
SO untrue. He will raise all taxes to pay for the health care plan.

He wants to TALK to terroirists and Iran and Syria and N Korea [bad people]

doesn't Support Born Alive [when an abortion takes place but it comes out living]
and supports partial Birth abortion [when you kill the baby when it is being "born"]
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Are you purposely wrong in every post you make regarding the election?

You've been called out on a number of ridiculous assertions in previous posts and instead of providing credible sources or citations with links, you move on to a new blatantly false, or otherwise flawed, series of statements.

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00009638

91% of Sen. Obama's contributions between 2003-2008 were from individual contributors.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7678674.stm

The average amount of Sen. Obama's donations came in at $86.

http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/

Sen. Obama is not going to raise all taxes. 95% of Americans, and 99.9% of plumbers will see no increase, or a decrease, in their taxes under Sen. Obama's plan.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=5417864&page=1

Even Texas simpleton George Bush, after Sen. Obama advocated it in numerous speeches, had talks this year with Iran and North Korea (good people with bad leaders - kind of like America Jan 21, 2001- Jan 20, 2008).

http://factcheck.barackobama.com/factcheck/2008/06/30/washington_times_wrong_on_obam.php

The Chicago Tribune reported, "'For more than 20 years, Illinois law has required that when 'there is a reasonable likelihood of sustained survival of the fetus outside the womb, with or without artificial support,' an abortion may only be performed if a physician believes 'it is necessary to preserve the life or health of the mother.' And in such cases, the law requires that the doctor use the technique 'most likely to preserve the life and health of the fetus' and perform the abortion in the presence of 'a physician other than the physician performing or inducing the abortion who shall take control of and provide immediate medical care for any child born alive as a result of the abortion.'" [Chicago Tribune, 8/17/04]
Obama voted against the unnecessary bill (born alive already protected by existing law) because the state bill, unlike the federal bill he supported, had language that could be used to undermine Roe v. Wade.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_group/ObamaHQ/CZsK
Sen. Obama agrees with Supreme Court Ginsburg that the current Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act disregards prior judicial rulings respecting a woman's medical concerns in consultation with her doctor.

When the health of the woman is at risk, Sen. McCain and a majority of the male Supreme Court Justices see women as merely an expendable incubator.

You are a sweet, nice, interesting woman. I enjoyed chatting briefly with you in Orlando this year. Having said that, you are woefully lacking in supporting evidence for your political assertions, many are factually incorrect, while others rely on faulty logic, or seem to confuse the appropriate candidate to excoriate for the positions you cite as dear.

Links to other posts refuting some of your political assertions:

http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1241027&postcount=25

http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1241458&postcount=8

http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1241517&postcount=53
 
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You know, you really have to stop justifying higher taxes with common good. Try another argument. It's embarassing as a liberal/moderate former mccain democrat to read some of your posts.

Isn't the whole point of our taxation system for the common good?

Awwwww....And I'm sorry that I embarass you. Need a hug?
 
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