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wilhung53's US Nationals Report

Jim Ferrell said:
Will,

You blatantly stalled out Jordan in Round 8. I watched almost the entire game. So don't say anything about him using a "two minute turn on Magcargo." At least you didn't use your "celebrity" status as an attention magnet...oh wait. Don't complain about signing autographs or taking pictures because you know you enjoy the attention.

See, I can actually T16 with my OWN decks. Like I did with Slaking/Salamence this year at Nationals. I don't rip decks from other people to win my trips or place high in events. Oh, and when you're a fixture of this game like I am, I don't mind signing cards for friends or other people. Regardless, good job. And remember, there's always next year...

~Jim



Agreed.



Will Hung , Stalling , NO matter what the manner , MAKES YOU A JOKE Admitting to stalling , MAKES YOU A FOOL! Now , everyone who agrees with stalling. Come on and bash me. I coulda stalled out our national champion and won the match. Where the hell is the spirit of the game then !?!?!
 
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I am one of the slower players - and like Patriach said, that is just the pace I play at. I don't auto-pilot my decks and every decision I make during a game, I try to make it a good one. I made plays I had to make. So I'm done here.
 
Okay, okay. Before this post gets too out of control, let me start over. This time with a little less emotion and a little more substance. To reply to those of you who are accusing of me being jealous of Will Hung, well you are...right to a certain degree. I remember a time when Will came up to me and introduced himself and was happy to meet me for the first time. Does Will acknowledge me now? Of course not.

Here's my problem with Will. If you are playing in a Pokemon event, you leave your excess "non-Pokemon" baggage at the door. You are playing the game as a POP player, not as the celebrity you claim to be. There's a time and place for these things. It's distracting when you use your celebrity status in this game. For example, (and I wasn't going to use this publically till now) in the Mid-Atlantic Regionals, during the T16 cut and deck checks I overheard a conversation between Will and one of the vendors. Will was concerned about leaving to go do some promo shoot thing for this vendor because he didn't want to miss the T16. The vendor/agent whatever said that "he had it taken care and they wouldn't start without him." Okay, there's nothing wrong with promo shoots or speeches or songs you sing or anything, but save them for non-POP time. What bothers me is that there are a lot of people that I talk to and help in this game that only have one shot to win a trip to Worlds. And Will just uses his celebrity and money to go to as many events as he can. Why not just buy the trip? I mean last year you win in Iowa. Okay, I've never met a single player from Iowa, and no offense to any Iowa players, but it makes me wonder if you cowtipped the cow to win in the final round. This year you ripped a deck that one of my friends built and used to win his Regionals with. You did the same thing at Nationals with Dark Slowking. Then you acknowledge and brag about stalling out one of the best damn players in the game today. Then you backpedal and say that you just "play slow." Well for someone that's so great as you claim to be, you should know from your "many practice games on Apprentice" what an appropriate strategy for certain decks are. I'm pretty sure you didn't just play a whole bunch of Rogue decks all day.

So yes, I am jealous that Will has far more opportunities to win trips and such than the regular player. People flock to him and kiss his butt because he's a semi-famous person. Players like myself, Fulop, Alex, Jason, Seena, and others like that have helped build this game around metagame and deckmaking. Jason and I fought hard for the 15+ when WotC was going to eliminate us all those years ago. I have helped hundreds of people, fixed thousands of decks, written so many articles, help out with League, everything. I help support this game. And what happens to me? I get labelled as a "leetist." One of those 15+ that just cause trouble and get stuff started on boards. So yes, I am jealous that Will gets far more recognition, more praise that I have gotten in a game where I have contributed so much. I am usually a pretty humble guy. I took all of the awards I've won out of my signature because they aren't the most important thing in this game.

But I am a WORLD class player in a league with some of the greats of this game. So I do not like it when people call the decks I play rubbish. Not one of my Rogue decks have ever scrubbed out. I have always done well with them. How many other players have won a State, Gym Challenge, and T16 at Nationals with a completely Rogue deck? I'm not calling archetypes useless, I use them too. But I use my own twists and variations. I started using Deoxys ex attack and now it's a staple in most Blaze lists. I despise cookie-cutting, and it seems Mr. Hung is pretty good at doing it.

~Jim
 
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Hey good Job Will see you at Worlds

Saying that half the people you beat were "easy wins" just seems a little heartless you seem like a nice guy.

And lastly if you ever get tried of all the attetion feal free to send them my way I will more then gladly take them off you hands and even sign autographs in your name if I have to, so let me know.

Once again great job :cool:
 
Jim Ferrell said:
Okay, okay. Before this post gets too out of control, let me start over. This time with a little less emotion and a little more substance. To reply to those of you who are accusing of me being jealous of Will Hung, well you are...right to a certain degree. I remember a time when Will came up to me and introduced himself and was happy to meet me for the first time. Does Will acknowledge me now? Of course not.

Here's my problem with Will. If you are playing in a Pokemon event, you leave your excess "non-Pokemon" baggage at the door. You are playing the game as a POP player, not as the celebrity you claim to be. There's a time and place for these things. It's distracting when you use your celebrity status in this game. For example, (and I wasn't going to use this publically till now) in the Mid-Atlantic Regionals, during the T16 cut and deck checks I overheard a conversation between Will and one of the vendors. Will was concerned about leaving to go do some promo shoot thing for this vendor because he didn't want to miss the T16. The vendor/agent whatever said that "he had it taken care and they wouldn't start without him." Okay, there's nothing wrong with promo shoots or speeches or songs you sing or anything, but save them for non-POP time. What bothers me is that there are a lot of people that I talk to and help in this game that only have one shot to win a trip to Worlds. And Will just uses his celebrity and money to go to as many events as he can. Why not just buy the trip? I mean last year you win in Iowa. Okay, I've never met a single player from Iowa, and no offense to any Iowa players, but it makes me wonder if you cowtipped the cow to win in the final round. This year you ripped a deck that one of my friends built and used to win his Regionals with. You did the same thing at Nationals with Dark Slowking. Then you acknowledge and brag about stalling out one of the best damn players in the game today. Then you backpedal and say that you just "play slow." Well for someone that's so great as you claim to be, you should know from your "many practice games on Apprentice" what an appropriate strategy for certain decks are. I'm pretty sure you didn't just play a whole bunch of Rogue decks all day.

So yes, I am jealous that Will has far more opportunities to win trips and such than the regular player. People flock to him and kiss his butt because he's a semi-famous person. Players like myself, Fulop, Alex, Jason, Seena, and others like that have helped build this game around metagame and deckmaking. Jason and I fought hard for the 15+ when WotC was going to eliminate us all those years ago. I have helped hundreds of people, fixed thousands of decks, written so many articles, help out with League, everything. I help support this game. And what happens to me? I get labelled as a "leetist." One of those 15+ that just cause trouble and get stuff started on boards. So yes, I am jealous that Will gets far more recognition, more praise that I have gotten in a game where I have contributed so much. I am usually a pretty humble guy. I took all of the awards I've won out of my signature because they aren't the most important thing in this game.

But I am a WORLD class player in a league with some of the greats of this game. So I do not like it when people call the decks I play rubbish. Not one of my Rogue decks have ever scrubbed out. I have always done well with them. How many other players have won a State, Gym Challenge, and T16 at Nationals with a completely Rogue deck? I'm not calling archetypes useless, I use them too. But I use my own twists and variations. I started using Deoxys ex attack and now it's a staple in most Blaze lists. I despise cookie-cutting, and it seems Mr. Hung is pretty good at doing it.

~Jim


Jim, you are someone we have respect for and i agree with pretty much everythingyou said above.

When we attend big events he is at it is comical to me how
people just flock to him. He has ribbed the entire country with - imo- his talentless routine. And made a fortune doing it. Kudos to him I guess.

But he is also a distraction at many of these events too. And what Jim said about the help he has received is so true ( and obv.) . I , too, played him last year ( at worlds ) , beat him 6-0 :)
Everyone was like " your playing Willian Hung" . I'm asking " who the hell is he lol" .
Obv. he is a much better player now.

But I have zero respect for someone who comes on an open forum and publicly ADMITS he intentionally stalled out an opponent ( one of the best in the country btw ) then backpedals when people call him on it.

Squirtle could have stalled out Seena in game 3 ( LEGALLY mind you ) by playing a celios when there was under a minute left in there t-8 match. BDS had already ruled if the match went to time Seena would lose the current game ( due to leaving the match for the bathroom which was ruled being late for the game i believe per the floor rules) . Seena was up 5 prizes to 0 ( damn er2's lol ) . Instead Steve extends his hand and congrats him. Afterwards, he told me there would have been no satisfaction in beating seena that way. You know what william? He is correct.

I wonder if the "great" william hung would have shown the same spirit of the game? I bet you'd have played the supporter.

~ John ~
 
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amen John,

I admit Steve is one the most aggressive players out there, but he'll win not only within the rules but with in the spirit of the game. I dotn know if i woudl of done the same i would liek to of said i would but i dunno...

But Gj with the deck will good rogue for the tourney.
 
Mr Hung,
Great report and great job making it all the way to top 16. Your deck is nasty and facing it once i still fell the sting of cunning Thanks for signing my 2 cards and giving me a great battle. See ya at worlds 2005 :biggrin:

Plus you did not deserve to get ripped by jim ferrell. I hope everyone else on here do not attack you eitehr.
 
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Jim Ferrell said:
Okay, okay. Before this post gets too out of control, let me start over. This time with a little less emotion and a little more substance. To reply to those of you who are accusing of me being jealous of Will Hung, well you are...right to a certain degree. I remember a time when Will came up to me and introduced himself and was happy to meet me for the first time. Does Will acknowledge me now? Of course not.

Here's my problem with Will. If you are playing in a Pokemon event, you leave your excess "non-Pokemon" baggage at the door. You are playing the game as a POP player, not as the celebrity you claim to be. There's a time and place for these things. It's distracting when you use your celebrity status in this game. For example, (and I wasn't going to use this publically till now) in the Mid-Atlantic Regionals, during the T16 cut and deck checks I overheard a conversation between Will and one of the vendors. Will was concerned about leaving to go do some promo shoot thing for this vendor because he didn't want to miss the T16. The vendor/agent whatever said that "he had it taken care and they wouldn't start without him." Okay, there's nothing wrong with promo shoots or speeches or songs you sing or anything, but save them for non-POP time. What bothers me is that there are a lot of people that I talk to and help in this game that only have one shot to win a trip to Worlds. And Will just uses his celebrity and money to go to as many events as he can. Why not just buy the trip? I mean last year you win in Iowa. Okay, I've never met a single player from Iowa, and no offense to any Iowa players, but it makes me wonder if you cowtipped the cow to win in the final round. This year you ripped a deck that one of my friends built and used to win his Regionals with. You did the same thing at Nationals with Dark Slowking. Then you acknowledge and brag about stalling out one of the best damn players in the game today. Then you backpedal and say that you just "play slow." Well for someone that's so great as you claim to be, you should know from your "many practice games on Apprentice" what an appropriate strategy for certain decks are. I'm pretty sure you didn't just play a whole bunch of Rogue decks all day.

So yes, I am jealous that Will has far more opportunities to win trips and such than the regular player. People flock to him and kiss his butt because he's a semi-famous person. Players like myself, Fulop, Alex, Jason, Seena, and others like that have helped build this game around metagame and deckmaking. Jason and I fought hard for the 15+ when WotC was going to eliminate us all those years ago. I have helped hundreds of people, fixed thousands of decks, written so many articles, help out with League, everything. I help support this game. And what happens to me? I get labelled as a "leetist." One of those 15+ that just cause trouble and get stuff started on boards. So yes, I am jealous that Will gets far more recognition, more praise that I have gotten in a game where I have contributed so much. I am usually a pretty humble guy. I took all of the awards I've won out of my signature because they aren't the most important thing in this game.

But I am a WORLD class player in a league with some of the greats of this game. So I do not like it when people call the decks I play rubbish. Not one of my Rogue decks have ever scrubbed out. I have always done well with them. How many other players have won a State, Gym Challenge, and T16 at Nationals with a completely Rogue deck? I'm not calling archetypes useless, I use them too. But I use my own twists and variations. I started using Deoxys ex attack and now it's a staple in most Blaze lists. I despise cookie-cutting, and it seems Mr. Hung is pretty good at doing it.

~Jim

Dude, you way crossed the line here. I don't care if you're a professor, top 32 or not, the one thing you don't do is taking this type of stuff out in public. While I probably do share some of your sentiments, Mr. Hung gets no special treatment out there. If you're really set on the problem, you should take it up via PM or say something to POP. Favoritism is bad, but public desecration is worse.

Thank your lucky feathers I'm not an Admin here.

-James
 
Congratulations on your outstanding record William. Hopefully I can get to meet you at Worlds when I go to the Grinder.
 
A number of these posts speak a lot more about their poster than they do about Wil.
For someone with a degree of celebrity, Wil takes a heck of a lot less advantage of it than many do. He asks for no special treatment and he gets none. So what if he can afford to do some things? I thought this was America.
I asked Wil for his autograph.
I also got one from Chris Fulop.
Big deal.
I don't see people ripping the other 90% of players that net deck.
 
All right, leaving my baggage - the one I carry with all my cards in it is simply absurd! I have to take care of them - not my mom. The difference is that I don't like to carry this really heavy backpack on my shoulders for many hours. I already did the best I can by putting it right next to me, and if it doesn't bother anyone, why does that bother you?

Regarding my Dark Slowking deck, I had no help whatsoever. I wanted to keep it completely secret. I want to totally suprise the field. I didn't even look through pokegym.net or any website to look at a sample decklist. I threw it together about a week together and did all the solitare playtesting myself.

I underestimated Ludicargo, and I paid the price. I didn't optimize my trainer engine, and I paid for it too. I know most, if not all the good players within US. I do respect all of you as players, including you - Gymbo.

To do well in any card game, strategy is more important than the deckbuilding. When I say that, I mean there is a strong correlation between the two. Like let's say I play Ludicargo. It takes strategizing to figure out the best counter against Rock Lock, or against any other major deck, like all those Turn 2 disruption decks.

Another example is choosing my deck for the tournament. I will do it based on what gives me the best chance to win 1st place. Last year Worlds, I did it totally wrong! I did it based on how comfortable I was with Shiftry, and how cool it was. I mean I get to mess up the opponent's hand and manipulate my hand. I don't know, but it is a deck that requires brains.

However, it was horrible in the metagame of Worlds 2004. There was Magma, Swampert ex, and Fighting tech everywhere. I got to be realistic, so that I am not sitting 0-3 with a "cool" rogue deck. I know your Salamence ex and Slaking deck is really good, but it's not for me.

Finally, I still got lots of work to do to become a great player. I will continue to improve through experience.
 
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I commend you on the deck. Great choice for the environment. The problem i have is what you admitted doing to
Jordan in your match. You must too, why else delete the post? You sounded proud of yourself when you bragged about stalling him out. Where is the spirit of the game in that?

Funny your post above doesn't even address that. Glad Lance Armstrong doesn't backpedal the way you have :)
 
It's funny because I have good intentions on what to say, and then my temper gets me into trouble. Listen Will, I bear you no ill will. Just a venting session gone bad. I did not mean to be mean to you, I was just being honest. I suppose the people here were right, I guess I am just jealous of you like I said in my other posts.

Other than the match between Flips, you did an awesome job. Just please don't ever post again that you were satisfied with stalling, that's kinda what set me off. Even if that's not what you meant, that's how it seemed. My two biggest pet peeves in this game are one, stalling intentionally and two, cookie-cutting decks. The difference between you and I is that I would have given up had I been given the cards you were dealt, and you went forward with them. I do offer you my apology for the tone of my posts, I'm not afraid to say I was wrong for some of the things I said. You're improving as a player, and the fact that you can attend more events than I can just makes you a better player, I understand that now. Best of luck with deciding your Worlds deck.

If you aren't too sore with me, I would like to possibly talk Worlds strategy with you. I will take the high road in this whole thing and just clear the air now. I realzed that in my other post when I said that I am typically stereotyped for being a mean leetist, posts like the ones I've typed lately only support my stereotype. I figured I could be a man and show you my real colors, once the temper goes away. Perhaps instead of being jealous of you, we could work together for the benefit of each of us? Teamwork > conflict.

Great report nonetheless and congratulations on your T16 finish,

~Jim
 
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I have to agree with anyone who is of the opinion the there is no such thing as legal stalling. I think there is merit in pointing out that there really is no place for stalling in the game whenever it is alluded too, if such behaviour is ignored then it becomes acceptable. That said , players have admitted to far worse than 'legal stalling' on the pokegym and not been vilified. Sometimes I think we should have a thread about player tiers:- there does seem to be an aristocracy who can do no wrong and an underclass who can do no right at times..... tough for the mods to intervene without also drawing flack upon themselves.
 
PokePop said:
I don't see people ripping the other 90% of players that net deck.
Nor do I see people ripping the 90% of the usual top 16 that will legally stall to win a game.

Did everyone forget last year's Worlds?
Tyranitar666 said:
I have zero qualms with stalling someone out. To me, its as legitimate as a clean win.

In an event with such prize support, anything legally allowed in the floor rules goes.

If its legal, its just another move in the game.
Our champion is speaking of legal stalling here with regards to his outstanding performance last year. This from the only one who can legitimately claim to be the best 15+ player in the USA and someone who demonstrated great sportsmanship at Worlds last year.
 
Stalling IMO is not the way i would like to win but sometimes it needs to be done. Theres money on the line and I think in a tournament like this that people should do w/e it takes to win (minus tying ur next round opponent up in the bathroom).

Also, Will doesnt seem to look for attention. He just sits down quietly with his mom. If he gets attention, he handles it well.
 
NO you never NEED to stall: its a choice you choose to make. If the only way you can win is by stalling then rhe honorable, sporting, thing to do it to play normally and to risk loosing. And guess what? You don't always loose! Your opponent is under time pressure too and may not succeed in pressing the advantage that you think they have.; they don't always pull it off.

Yes you can play your cards to eat time, no you can't slow your play tempo to steal time from your opponent.
 
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Hung, I don't like to hijack your thread, but I'd like to add my opinion to this whole "stalling" bit.

I think it's sad that when money is thrown into the battlefield, people use it as an excuse to why they stall people out and do other things unsportsmanlike but still in the rules to win the game. It's gone on way too much, and people are totally fine with it. It's like, because money is on the line, it's alright to stall and do other unsportsmanlike activities because, well...money is on the line. I honestly feel money is not a good excuse for these actions. And I honestly feel that it only shows a players true image when they do something unsportsmanlike and blame it on "money".

Don't get me wrong, I love money, and I will try my hardest to win it. But to do something I feel wrong about, and isn't fair to the opponent, that isn't worth the money. You(not you mr. hung but everyone) go ahead and stall people out, and blame it on the "money", but it's your conscious that has to take the punishment. You(again, not you mr. hung, but everyone you) cheated someone out of a win the deserved, and I hope you feel proud of it. I could never do that.
 
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