Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

will GG run the table?

G&G/PLOX is the BDIF. If Empoleon beats G&G/PLOX then that G&G player is probably not the brightest person. I think that G&G/PLOX will win Worlds (hands down)
 
smacktack15 said:
G&G/PLOX is the BDIF. If Empoleon beats G&G/PLOX then that G&G player is probably not the brightest person. I think that G&G/PLOX will win Worlds (hands down)
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Why don't you ask Agustin, T2 Argentina Nationals, who I beat by two prizes despite typical GG God start? Maybe the Empoleons you're facing aren't played by bright people. Think about it that way.
 
DarthPika said:
You do realize that all those ppl who have been trying to find a counter STILL haven't found one?? What makes you think that there will be one by worlds? BTW only bad Plox players lose to Emopleon.

Plox is still the BDIF and until someone shows me a counter that wins at least 60-80% of the time, I won't believe that such a counter exists.
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Yea Banette ***** GG/PLOX,its a near auto loss since even the best GG/PLOX players lose to Banette unless the person playing Banette is a n00b. It beats 60-80% of the time.

And no Banette dosent lose to EVERYTHING else like rogue. This past weekend at BRs I played against rogue like you wouldnt believe, I even played against a Shiftry ex deck and won.

GG/PLOX is still good,everyone and their grandma will play it at Nationals and Worlds,but it wont win Worlds or probably not even Nats.

If we had Legend Maker -on,we wouldnt even be having this dicussion cuz we would be saying"What can beat Banette Ex consistantly?"
 
Yeah, that's true that Banette pwns the best Plox decks.
BUT, Banette struggles against Empoleon a whole lot.
Almost anything that it can't OHKO, it struggles with. It OHKOs Gard/Gall but other stage 2 130 HP pokemon that can easily take it down in one hit really hinders Banettes playability.

Plox isn't the best though.
There WILL be some deck to appear out of nowhere, but I doubt its gonna be me who thinks of it.
 
Banette has a hard time with the empoleon.
But Banette can beat empoleon.
Disruption and speed is what Banette uses.
Empoleon spreads.
If you take away Empoleons spread,you take away a key part of the deck.
I teched dugtrio cg in mine and it helped me so much against empoleon in BRs.
The thing is tho,Empoleon cant beat Blissey,GG,Speedrill and isnt that effective in mirror matches.
So Banettes speed alone could make it contend with any deck.
 
~`Flygon`~ said:
Banette has a hard time with the empoleon.
But Banette can beat empoleon.
Disruption and speed is what Banette uses.
Empoleon spreads.
If you take away Empoleons spread,you take away a key part of the deck.
I teched dugtrio cg in mine and it helped me so much against empoleon in BRs.
The thing is tho,Empoleon cant beat Blissey,GG,Speedrill and isnt that effective in mirror matches.
So Banettes speed alone could make it contend with any deck.
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lol
you say Empoleon cant beat any of those decks and has a hard time against Banette.
Tell me, how is it doing so well then. It struggles with almost everyone of the top decks right now.
 
The usual reason people give is that everyone playing those other decks is bad at this game :rolleyes:

Empoleon is a really solid deck. It can beat good G&G lists played by good players. I've seen it happen.
 
Prof Elm:
1. I said Banette has a hard time with Empoleon.You are mixing my words around. >.<
2. Empoleon is solid,but how good will it be at Nationals. Its solid now because people are testing it for Battle Roads,barely anyone is playing GG for Brs and if they are,thats kinda sad since its a open field to try different decks.

Empoleon has a hard time with Blissey still,yea it can do 100 now,but Early game,empoleon isnt that fast and early game its damage output comes from its spread. Speedrill with the ability to OHKO u hurts,PLOX,Gallade can be sacrifced to do sonic blade to two of your empoleons or OHKO then sonic blade.

Empoleon is solid,but every other deck is too.
 
From what I've played/tested, Blissey is a pretty even matchup vs. Empo. Blissey has speed, but so does Empoleon. Cess. Crystal really hurts, but that's what windstorm is for. If set up quick enough, it is very winnable.
 
I'm not a brilliant player by any stretch of the imagination and I've never had a problem with Empoleon when playing GG. Admittedly the Empoleon I was playing was played by a Senior, but I'd definitely put him in the UK Top Four seniors. I'm going to have to say I think GG is the BDIF here simply because despite being a very average player and only having been back in the game about three weeks I'm still unbeaten with my GG list. (I'm also teched fairly strongly against Empoleon which has helped.)

However, when I play a much better player than me s/he will almost certainly beat me. There should be a lot less emphasis on the deck and a lot more on the brain behind it.
 
Plox is still the BDIF and until someone shows me a counter that wins at least 60-80% of the time, I won't believe that such a counter exists.
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There are quite a few of those that can beat Plox straight. I did it with a rogue at regionals (only lost to one due to a bad start), Banette can, and some of the amusing Scizor variants also can. The problem with many of these are they don't have good matchups against many other decks in the format. My rogue died to straight water, Banette gets killed by everything that isn't GG/Plox, and Scizor just can't keep up if theres no special in play. (Though it is incredibly amusing to see Plox do 10 damage to a Scizor with a special metal and a buffer piece attached)

The problem people are seeing is, the decks that can beat GG can't beat the other good decks out there. Empstar is becoming the next Magmortar, and again, the two BDIF's are helping each other crush all other decks in format, still a scary thing to have.
 
Naki Feralkin said:
Banette gets killed by everything that isn't GG/Plox
The problem people are seeing is, the decks that can beat GG can't beat the other good decks out there.
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What cant Banette not outspeed even if it isnt GG/PLOX,alot of the times people who say this either dont know how to play the deck, or go by what other people say.Its kinda annoying cause it isnt true.

Banettes worst matchup is Magmortar,and that has died down alot. Empoleon variants are becoming popular,but not the second best deck in the format.Magmortar at least had favorable matchups in mostly every game it played. Empoleon dosent and isnt effective alot of the times.
 
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DarthPika said:
You do realize that all those ppl who have been trying to find a counter STILL haven't found one?? What makes you think that there will be one by worlds? BTW only bad Plox players lose to Emopleon.

Plox is still the BDIF and until someone shows me a counter that wins at least 60-80% of the time, I won't believe that such a counter exists.
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Sounds cocky to me. I've personally seen Empoleon absolutely CRUSH Plox/Gallade numerous times. Why would only bad plox players lose to Empoleon? Huge tank, spreader, is NOT reliant on powers, etc. Gallade has to flip over a LOT of prizes to kill ONE, therefore Gallade is not a threat. Gardevoir's psychic lock does nothing against Empoleon. Also, Empoleon has a huge power attack. I don't know where this attitude of yours comes from, but you're definitely incorrect.

As far as your last sentence, apparently you've never heard of Arithmetic. It beats GG/Plox so easily it's not even funny.
 
blissey and beedrill are tough matchups but emp definately has at least 50/50 in both, at least skilled players do
gg/plox is a deck but no longer a big hitter where we play
come to georgia if you have a good gg deck because no one here plays it, warning, you may get rocked
 
fragnito said:
blissey and beedrill are tough matchups but emp definately has at least 50/50 in both, at least skilled players do
gg/plox is a deck but no longer a big hitter where we play
come to georgia if you have a good gg deck because no one here plays it, warning, you may get rocked
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Your state got DECIMATED by GG during states (Team R took your 1st and 2nd in GA with GG...).

I guess MD really changed the situation, huh?
 
Scizor said:
Why don't you ask Agustin, T2 Argentina Nationals, who I beat by two prizes despite typical GG God start? Maybe the Empoleons you're facing aren't played by bright people. Think about it that way.
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I am inclined to agree with Chad here. I am 5-1 against GG with Empoleon. The one lost if the player doesnt hit head on TSD I win. So it is indeed a decent matchup for Empoleon as long as the Empoleon player knows what they are doing.

Drew
 
fragnito said:
blissey and beedrill are tough matchups but emp definately has at least 50/50 in both, at least skilled players do
gg/plox is a deck but no longer a big hitter where we play
come to georgia if you have a good gg deck because no one here plays it, warning, you may get rocked
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GG/PLOX is no longer a threat in GA for BRs bc the FL players arent traveling up for a BR! :lol:

Keith
 
Don't get me wrong people, I believe that the GG/Plox will still be a great contender. However it is always a bit risky to play a deck that is expected, and just because you haven't heard any good idea how to beat, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. If somebody came up with a rogue deck that could take down GG, he/she is sure to keep it a secret till Worlds.

I know I'm a bit out on deep waters now, because I haven't got my hands on good MD cards yet (only one Empoleon ;_;), so I haven't playetested them against GG. However I made a prediction that Omastar could offer a way to beat GG. GG players often charge up plenty of Gallades/Gardevoir on the bench thanks to Telepass, and often they play out their DRE (possibly scramble too) to speed them up fast. They also spam a lot of Rare Candies. Omastar could really hurt them by devolving them, and destroy all the DRE/Scramble attached to Rare Candied evolutions. Also this could be followed by a Wager to make sure that all evolution cards is lost. All he has left is basic Pokémon that can be sniped by Empoleon which goes well with Omastar.

Banette has an easy match-up towards GG, but since it lacks positive matchup against other heavy decks, it is also too risky to play with in a bigger tourney. Garchomp and Eeveelutions will probably also be contenders. Sadly Espeon is one of the weakest attackers among the Eeveelutions, even though it comes with a nice effect.
 
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