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Will Nationals be in St.Louis in 2010?

I'm sorry all.

I'm just starting to see the issue get clouded by a lot of selfishness.

STICK TO THE ISSUES and let's not just RANT...

1. Gathering Grounds - They did a GREAT job of having everything available. I was impressed with the layout of cards by set. I did not, however, like the attitude of the lady cashier. She was dry, cold, and dismissive; it was a huge downer to any sort of excitement the kids had going into the store. I mean, I saw little kids hopping up to the register with piggy-bank change in hand SMILING ear-to-ear because they have that plush and cardbox and the lady is like "$25 .. next...*straight face*" I mean..AT LEAST make an effort... :/ As far as prices go, I really didn't see any shockers other than the Baltoy. EVERYTHING was a eBay prices and the BOX prices were hottness... If you buy boxes, you were excited about those for real. I do agree at least ONE other dealer would've kept things exciting and interesting.

On a POSITIVE note, the two men that were the "gophers" at Gathering Ground were COOL with everybody. They're not getting their credit where it is due. The smiled and joked around with everyone throughout the entire event. The lady and the bald guy (probably the owners) were more suited for a non-child-related function... i'll just let that one breathe...

2. St.Louis - DO NOT blame others for your failures. If you had done a walk aroud the block, you would've found the St. Louis Bread Co., a bunch of private owned resturants, TGI Fridays, and Hardee's. Those of you who DROVE should have gone to "THE HILL" for a variety of AUTHENTIC resturants that offers up the best local-owned Italian food resturants in U.S.

For $5, you could've hopped the train to the park and checked out the Zoo and all of the museums.

Do your homework BEFORE you complain and blame others that for which you know not.

St. Louis was good.

3. "Non-Pokemon gaming" - REALLY? We're going to discuss this as a "con." At POKEMON Nationals, we're going to REALLY compliain that PUI didn't try to offer NON-Pokemon event availability? Really ... ? How about we just drop that argument and demote it from "an issue" to "not relevant" ok ? ... *psss*

4. DATE - I do agree that some consideration should be given to making sure Nats and Worlds do not conflict with Con and GenCon. We shouldn't punish Pokemon patrons/players with making such a sacrificial decisioin (i.e. "us or them!"). There are many cross-over gamers coming into Pokemon from other games and making considerations to include them would certainly be consistent with the fun-for-all nature of our game.

5. It's POKEMON NATS. That's what you go for. Pokemon is a family-game and there are many older people who say/do inappropriate things at Pokemon events who are either oblivious or careless about the meaning/nature of "FAMILY EVENTS." I think having ONLY Pokemon available in the venue purified the atmosphere and made it more appropriate for Pokemon players and their families.

6. ROTATING THE VENUE - This is a TALL ORDER. If you suggest doing this, you must not understand logistics and event planning .. .at all. You see, the event needs time to germinate into a well-oiled machine. From an organization/management perspective, rotating annually would lead to attrition of logistical solidarity. That is, you would NEVER be familiar with the venue and, therefore, would NOT have the opportunity to work out the kincs. Having an event re-occur in the same venue for (at least 3 years) would lead to improvments and enhancements.

Example: Many of you have just discovered where you will eat 'next time." You'll have to rediscover all of the 'hot-spots' of a new location.

7. POKEMON NATS EVENT(s) - Truly Amazing. Given the fact that it was a "new situation" having moved to a new venue and location after all of these years, the event was managed EXTREMEMLY WELL. Anyone who says different probably has NEVER been in charge of running an event of any scale. It was VERY wall managed. The volunteer staff was awesome, the judges did their thing, and the decor and atmosphere of that hall were SO GOOD.

8. Logistical Concerns - Side Event staff may need to meet and coordinate much more BEFORE the events occur. There needs to be assignements made for who runs what and how long. There was entirely too much logistical confusion in the 8-man events. League Play was very popular and the small staff prizing that out were SO good. I would suggest doubling-up so the line can say small and more people can play without sacrificing 30 mins of their time just waiting in line waiting for their prizes. The prizes were GREAT btw... I'm very appreciative for the offerings of league-play and side-events, however, I think that the factor of planning and staffing for these things have been greatly underappreciated and underestimated.

STANDINGS should be PROJECTED !!! Simply get 3 HUGE SCREENS (venue probably has them!), hang 'em high, and scroll the standings. Then anyone can see their table/matchups/roster from anywhere in the playing area. You can do the paper-posting for side-events. Projecting main event standings would make it seem more like "a main event" / big deal :)

You can scroll other information on those screens as well which would cut down on all of those DISTRACTING announcements throughout the TCG main event! I'm surprised I top-cut as much as I forgot my move everytime I heard "ATTENTION: TCG POKEMON PLAYERS .. .ATTENTION: POKEMON TRADING CARD GAME PLAYERS... " There's nothing wrong with announcements, but they were just way too frequent.
 
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2. St.Louis - DO NOT blame others for your failures. If you had done a walk aroud the block, you would've found the St. Louis Bread Co., a bunch of private owned resturants, TGI Fridays, and Hardee's. Those of you who DROVE should have gone to "THE HILL" for a variety of AUTHENTIC resturants that offers up the best local-owned Italian food resturants in U.S.

For $5, you could've hopped the train to the park and checked out the Zoo and all of the museums.

Do your homework BEFORE you complain and blame others that for which you know not.

St. Louis was good.

Are you kidding me? We had a GPS with hundreds of food locations, and even google. Neither of these tools could find food close enough to the center to eat and return. We wandered aimlessly until we found a Chinese Food place amidst a bunch of restaurants that were closed mid-day on a Saturday.

Also, if Nats is held in St. Louis again, I'm sure many people will not attend because they got burned by the food situation.
 
I did find TGI Fridays -- but I don't consider that cheap, even replacing my soft drink with a water and skipping fries.

Fast food is bad for the body but great for the budget.
 
As a business traveler I am used to dealing with convention center prices so nothing I saw in St. Louis surprised me. It is always hard to deal with finding affordable food when on the road in a tourist spot or a place that has a "captured marrket". I still remember everyone taking pictures of the Hawaii menu and the $10 hot dogs!! The problem is that most convention centers have contracts with certain vendors as well and it is hard to get something in place for one day. Most meetings and shows are well done by 8 PM so we are unusual......then throw in the fact that we have a large youth base and not a typical business crowd. Most people on convention want to go out to a nice dinner and St Louis had a great entertainment district for that just down the road but was not perfect for most of our crowd. We found a whole group of fast food places that were great but they were a good .....hot .....ten minute walk with heavy binder bags on our backs. Not pleasant. Next site needs to have more fast food close and we need water provided in the main room to keep all the kids hydrated on these long days. Not $3 sodas!!


I had no problem with Pokemon left Origins. I go for the Pokemon. Others in the family liked the extra things to do at Origins but I mostly saw them as distractions from the main goal of the weekend. I would like to see the events on different weekends though so those that can afford to attend both can do so. Seems like that could be done somehow.

The guys know they needed a bigger room and those are the kind of issues they want to work. These days most don't have the luxury of dealing with that issue and only hope they could.

The thing I was most disappointed in was that there was not a primary "trading and playing" area anywhere outside of the center and that is one of the most important components for the players. Holiday Inn was a mess until the staff meeting was open and they let people use the room......since I assume the rent had been paid anyway. The next night I went there everyone was sitting on the floor again with the AC broken. They might have opened the room back up later but this was around 9 already so I am not sure. I thought this was going to be more like another Worlds event where it was just geared for Pokemon and a secure room somewhere at one of the hotels would have made it so much better. Not sure how much a room that size goes for a day but if Pokemon can't get it next time maybe the players need to pitch in and do it ourselves.....just a thought.

As for St. Louis itself. I thought the city was great. Great parks and museums. We had a blast at the Arch but we took the time to take all the history in as well. Art Museum was great and my wife even went to a Cardinals game while we were in swiss just to check it out. We even lucked into going to the City Museum which was one of the most amazing things I had ever seen or done. Like being in a Dr. Seuss book or something. Parents....check it out. I am still getting goose bumps thinking of it. Vince is lucky to live there.....and I live in Florida!!
 
Also, if Nats is held in St. Louis again, I'm sure many people will not attend because they got burned by the food situation.

Now that we've all "been there" don't you think anyone who really cares about playing in Pokemon Nationals will simply plan for the food issue? Anyone who doesn't attend because they had a hard time finding (cheap) food probably didn't care that much about the game, anyway.
 
Oh...and one more thing. We need some type of score boards on the top 32 tables and down so that spectators can have some idea of what is going on. Something like they use at the volleyball games. Just a game count....not a prize card count as that would get tough. Vince was great about getting counts for us but these could be used at all the major events and take some of the guess work out of watching the games.
 
overall the only food problem i saw was during the lunch break when you need to be back in time. otherwise cheaper food wasn't hard to find fast food. I personally think that the event should stay somewhere in the Midwest to make it accessibly to the most people. I'm from Chicago and didn't think St Louis was that great but i wouldn't mind going back if nats its there. I would love it if it came to the Chicago land area tough
 
Silvestro, I do not consider you a squeaky wheel.

Your comments are always well thought out, and are usually spot on.

There are others that really, well, unless it was all handed to them free on a silver platter would find something to complain about.

There were a lot of fixes and improvements needed for next year. But we have said that EVERY year, and we keep getting better.

We need to keep improving, in STL, or wherever Nats lands next year...and I plan to be a part of that fix!!

Talk to you all later, and thanks to everyone for coming in.

For those that have said if nats is in St. Louis next year they won't come...I will hand you your post when you show up in the STL next year...

People who make extreme statements just get on my nerves.

Vince
 
Now that we've all "been there" don't you think anyone who really cares about playing in Pokemon Nationals will simply plan for the food issue? Anyone who doesn't attend because they had a hard time finding (cheap) food probably didn't care that much about the game, anyway.

Plan? How do you plan for not knowing what will be opened or closed? How do you plan for there being 3 available restaurants and only one of them having decent food or decent lines? I love this game, but I am not traveling 2000 miles to put myself in a situation that I have to SCRAMBLE for worse food than my school cafeteria. A hard time is an understatement. What happens if next year everyone orders pizza from the 3 pizza palces around the center? They were all swamped Saturday night as it is, and with even more orders from the people who KNOW there is no food nearby, the wait will be hours.

I really don't appreciate your strawman argument, accusing me that I don't love this game enough. The city Nats is held at should have options for food, and should not close 90% of those options on Saturdays. This is not an issue of me not wanting to play, it's an issue of me having other people to take care of and a city without options to do so suitably. I'm not going to waste my time and effort to get to St. Louis when there are little to no options to get food around the convention center. I certainly didn't want to pay another $8 to park and miss my round to drive out of the city to get food. This is a ridiculous accusation.

Vince, I loved the time I spent OUTSIDE of Downtown, and St. Louis is a beautiful city. This doesn't change that the Convention Center's location just isn't conducive to running this event. I really meant no offense to you, but Downtown St. Louis was a nightmare for me and the group I brought.
 
I agree with ruiner. Food was incredibly hard to find, city was incredibly dirty and dpn't even get me started about the date. All I can say is that it better not be held in St.Louis again.
 
I say why not Indianapolis. It has a great convention center with a lot to do a mall attached to the convention center, with movie theaters, an arcade and a food court another good thing is the majority of the downtown area is connected by skywalks. (We enjoy not having to walk outside in the weather to get where were going). There are a ton of hotel spaces available. Parking is cheap and free along with many hotels. That is why gen-con, Star wars, and many other large conventions use it. That’s also why the NFL chose Indy for the 2012 Super Bowl. I often take my daughter to the convention center for cheer competitions where they have 10,000 + people in for the weekend. It is in a centralized location much like St Louis which makes it a convent drive for a lot of people. I can also say the downtown area has plenty of choices for food other then the mall. In the summer months the convention center space is pretty cheap. (I was on a committee that booked it for a collage graduation.) I like many others had issues in St Louis. However cannot say my motive is completely selfless because I live in Indiana and it would be a fantastic to have this event here.
 
Plan? How do you plan for not knowing what will be opened or closed? How do you plan for there being 3 available restaurants and only one of them having decent food or decent lines? I love this game, but I am not traveling 2000 miles to put myself in a situation that I have to SCRAMBLE for worse food than my school cafeteria. A hard time is an understatement. What happens if next year everyone orders pizza from the 3 pizza palces around the center? They were all swamped Saturday night as it is, and with even more orders from the people who KNOW there is no food nearby, the wait will be hours.

I really don't appreciate your strawman argument, accusing me that I don't love this game enough. The city Nats is held at should have options for food, and should not close 90% of those options on Saturdays. This is not an issue of me not wanting to play, it's an issue of me having other people to take care of and a city without options to do so suitably. I'm not going to waste my time and effort to get to St. Louis when there are little to no options to get food around the convention center. I certainly didn't want to pay another $8 to park and miss my round to drive out of the city to get food. This is a ridiculous accusation.

Vince, I loved the time I spent OUTSIDE of Downtown, and St. Louis is a beautiful city. This doesn't change that the Convention Center's location just isn't conducive to running this event. I really meant no offense to you, but Downtown St. Louis was a nightmare for me and the group I brought.

I'm not questioning your love of the game, but you'd really just not go rather than plan?

I always assume that there is nothing open in the vicinity. Was it a pain to pack food and carry it around with me all day? Yup. But it is better than having to rely on unknowns in a city I've never been to. You sound terribly angry, and I am very sorry about that because we both know that's not what Pokemon is supposed to be about. But I do understand... being hungry and not being able to find food is nothing short of miserable. But when you are toting around a five-year-old (which I was)... relying on others isn't an option. I don't know where Nationals will be held next year, but as soon as I know I will do the same thing I did this year. I'm going to research the area. Hotels, restaurants, location of the nearest Costco... all the basics. (Can't go wrong with a buck-fifty dog and soda!)

Good luck to you. Whether or not it's in St. Louis next year I sincerely hope to be able to battle you someday. Maybe San Diego if you are going. ^_^ Take care!
 
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I'm not questioning your love of the game, but you'd really just not go rather than plan?

I'd rather not go knowing there are no plans to be made. No amount of planning can make up for the lack of options in the city. Packing was not an option, and I had a ten year old relying on me to find him food. I took for granted that POP would plan an event in a convention center with decent enough food, or in a good neighborhood for eating. Worlds was great, and so was the locations for previous Nats. I am angry, as I spent a lot of money and expended a lot of resources getting to and from St. Louis. I had a great time, but I am very adamant about this issue. TPCi NEEDS to pick a better(Well rounded*) venue or bring in a third party food vendor to the event.

*The America's Center was a great venue for the tournament itself, but lacked food. The cleaning staff was super nice, but the security staff was downright rude. TPCi needs to find a venue that is well rounded in all of these categories.

Edit: Also, I'd love to play you at Worlds. I don't think I'm going to make it, but we'll see!
 
8. Logistical Concerns - ...

League Play was very popular and the small staff prizing that out were SO good. I would suggest doubling-up so the line can say small and more people can play without sacrificing 30 mins of their time just waiting in line waiting for their prizes.

I worked the league all three days, and the line was very long for hours everyday. Two lines would definitely alleviate the problem. How to handle the 5-win pins with two different computers with two different databases would be a subject that would need some thought if two lines were created.
 
Prime.... I don't know if you were the older or younger guy sitting there all 3 days working your buns off for several hours in a row.... But for what it's worth --- YOU TWO DESERVE MAJOR KUDOS.... You guys were so relaxed, you had fun and joked with the kids (AND parents) that came up through your line.... You guys gave out a ton of items over the weekend as well.... Maybe I'll win a game next year when it came down to getting a major prize.... I whiffed on a shot at 3 Playmats.... The way my luck went last weekend, it was par for the course....
 
I was the younger of the two. Those playmats were awesome, weren't they? :eek:

Happy you had fun. :thumb:
 
8. Logistical Concerns - Side Event staff may need to meet and coordinate much more BEFORE the events occur. There needs to be assignements made for who runs what and how long. There was entirely too much logistical confusion in the 8-man events.

The problem with planning the 8-person tournies is that since you never know when one is going to start or how many will be running at any given time, it's extremely difficult to plan judges for them. Obviously you want to keep the bulk of the judges in the Nationals tournament, since that's the one that's the most important. You can only "plan" for so many judges to be open at any given time, and thus you're stuck with trying to locate an open judge when you get 8 people. I don't see how you can work around that, really.


As for the not wanting announcements during the cut rounds Sunday, well, if you need to find somebody, you need to find somebody. How else could we really accomplish that?
 
A-P...I know you love the game.

I hated the food situation.

It has to be addressed and fixed wherever we go next year.

I will see you all there!

Vince
 
I'm sorry all.

I'm just starting to see the issue get clouded by a lot of selfishness.

STICK TO THE ISSUES and let's not just RANT...

1. Gathering Grounds - They did a GREAT job of having everything available. I was impressed with the layout of cards by set. I did not, however, like the attitude of the lady cashier. She was dry, cold, and dismissive; it was a huge downer to any sort of excitement the kids had going into the store. I mean, I saw little kids hopping up to the register with piggy-bank change in hand SMILING ear-to-ear because they have that plush and cardbox and the lady is like "$25 .. next...*straight face*" I mean..AT LEAST make an effort... :/ As far as prices go, I really didn't see any shockers other than the Baltoy. EVERYTHING was a eBay prices and the BOX prices were hottness... If you buy boxes, you were excited about those for real. I do agree at least ONE other dealer would've kept things exciting and interesting.

On a POSITIVE note, the two men that were the "gophers" at Gathering Ground were COOL with everybody. They're not getting their credit where it is due. The smiled and joked around with everyone throughout the entire event. The lady and the bald guy (probably the owners) were more suited for a non-child-related function... i'll just let that one breathe...

I totally agree. Lady cashier was definitely not suited to be dealing with children.

2. St.Louis - DO NOT blame others for your failures. If you had done a walk aroud the block, you would've found the St. Louis Bread Co., a bunch of private owned resturants, TGI Fridays, and Hardee's. Those of you who DROVE should have gone to "THE HILL" for a variety of AUTHENTIC resturants that offers up the best local-owned Italian food resturants in U.S.

For $5, you could've hopped the train to the park and checked out the Zoo and all of the museums.

Do your homework BEFORE you complain and blame others that for which you know not.

St. Louis was good.

DH found a nice sub/pizza place a short distance away that had great food at a decent price. We used the metralink train to travel to and from the convention center and it was fast, easy and convenient. Second day we packed a rolling cooler with food and drinks and it worked out great. On third day found soda/water/gatorade vending machines in the convention center right on the hall behind the Gathering Grounds room. Drinks were $2.00 and there were also 2 vending machines with snacks starting at $1.00 (bought a pack of pop tarts for $1.25).


8. Logistical Concerns - Side Event staff may need to meet and coordinate much more BEFORE the events occur. There needs to be assignements made for who runs what and how long. There was entirely too much logistical confusion in the 8-man events. League Play was very popular and the small staff prizing that out were SO good. I would suggest doubling-up so the line can say small and more people can play without sacrificing 30 mins of their time just waiting in line waiting for their prizes. The prizes were GREAT btw... I'm very appreciative for the offerings of league-play and side-events, however, I think that the factor of planning and staffing for these things have been greatly underappreciated and underestimated.

League play was a blast! The generous prizes motivated me to actually play someone besides my family for the first time. :) The two gentlemen working the prize table were INCREDIBLE! Sitting there and cheerfully dealing with the continuous lines for 3 days with few if any breaks could not have been easy. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!!

STANDINGS should be PROJECTED !!! Simply get 3 HUGE SCREENS (venue probably has them!), hang 'em high, and scroll the standings. Then anyone can see their table/matchups/roster from anywhere in the playing area. You can do the paper-posting for side-events. Projecting main event standings would make it seem more like "a main event" / big deal :)

You can scroll other information on those screens as well which would cut down on all of those DISTRACTING announcements throughout the TCG main event! I'm surprised I top-cut as much as I forgot my move everytime I heard "ATTENTION: TCG POKEMON PLAYERS .. .ATTENTION: POKEMON TRADING CARD GAME PLAYERS... " There's nothing wrong with announcements, but they were just way too frequent.

My family was discussing this very thing! We were really surprised that they used paper rosters instead of projectors for such a big event.

All in all, we had a Fantastic time and thought the organizers/staff did an excellent job.
 
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