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Worlds '05 Biggest Waste of Time :: Top 8 for 15+ Grinders only made it to Big Event

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yoshi1001 said:
Good example. Although, Atlanjtic City has been dealing blackjack longer than PUI has been doing grinders. I think a lack of forknowlede about how the system works contributed to the problem.

Just out of curiosity, is anyone considering not playing in the grinder next year because of this? Why or why not?


I probably won't, hard to afford the trip and such, and having to go undefeated is just too easy to get lucksacked against or donked.

The reason I went: I knew of 15+ players that for sure weren't going, so I assumed there slots would've been thrown into the grinder, so I went in expecting something like a t12 or a t16, if either of which were implemented I would've made it in, but yeah...

I knew there was only a guaranteed eight, but I didn't know 11-14 players moving up would be taking 15+ non-participants' slots, so you can't truly blame people who are complaining about expecting more than eight slots. Like someone said (stevep i think?) it seems illogical to do it in that way, and we didn't really expect it, so I think most fly-in grinders indeed thought there would be quite a few players not going, and thus would create more slots than eight. There was even a thread here asking what trip invitees had earned a slot and were not going to use it.

Not that I'm really complaining, just uninformed people getting angry. Did I make any mistakes in play? No. Did I enjoy worlds, still? Yes.

The event is over, but I think this thread still has some good insight into players' minds, and some good suggestions in it.. not everyong posting is just being spiteful.

Anyways, looking forward to earning the trip next year, when I have more than two months time to completely learn the game again and learn the details of tournament-style play.
 
DukeFireBird said:
Maybe POP should release how they will handle all invites for the 2006 worlds. Right now We know of a total of 12, (Top 4 from 3 divisions). But how many more invites will there be, and then maybe plan an according field size for LCQ. I really would like to get a total number of spots avaliable in the world championship, whether its 128, 256, 192, etc... for each division. Ill do the math from this year, and ill see what it was, but for each year, POP should announce how many spots will be open for players.
Oh puh-lease...the grinder is supposed to be on the same scale, seats-wise as the Worlds event? Really?

What good will it do if POP was to announce that there's "only" X number of seats allotted per age group except to start more second-guessing and complaining about how they do things? You really think they _don't_ consider all this, even after reading Dave's post HERE?
Professor Dav said:
FYI guys, the main reason we get so frustrated with these discussions is because it implies that we're all dummies, and we've never even considered these issues. We've been dealing with these issues for going on three years now.
So you know how to do things better than POP, DukeFireBird? Really?

'mom =/
 
AS far as I know POP did released the amount of players.
The main event was announced/planned as 6-7 rounds swiss depending on attendance, so do the math.
Up to 128 people for a 7 round.
It ended up in 2 groups even having around 150 people playing and 8 rounds, that's MORE than expected and it was great to watch.

The 11-14 age ups, did not take the left over seats.
Just listen for 1 time.

Worldwide there should have been send out 196 INVITATIONS for the 15+ (can be some less but I took avarage)
114 came with a TRIP, do you really expect those will not show up?
8 spots reservered for the LCQ, that makes a total of 6 spots left open.

6 spots open for 70 International players who already had earned an invitation but no trip (or traveling as companion)
I think at least 6 of them showed up and took those spots.
Blame them, those terrible International players, they took YOUR spot. :biggrin: (at least in the 15+).


You know what is even worse, if International all Countries the coming years will get 2 trips per agegroup it can end up 15+ will get NO LCQ at all. SOLD OUT in advange.
 
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i think that the USA needs a real wake up call. I say worlds 07 should be somewhere other then the Americas like Japan or Switerland or somewhere other then here to show how hard the game is to those outside of America.

go ahead and yell. I really think that this should be taken into consideration. Remember the game started in Japan not here.

Windjet
 
Rainbowgym said:
AS far as I know POP did released the amount of players.
The main event was announced/planned as 6-7 rounds swiss depending on attendance, so do the math.
Up to 128 people for a 7 round.
It ended up in 2 groups even having around 150 people playing and 8 rounds, that's MORE than expected and it was great to watch.

The 11-14 age ups, did not take the left over seats.
Just listen for 1 time.

Worldwide there should have been send out 196 INVITATIONS for the 15+ (can be some less but I took avarage)
114 came with a TRIP, do you really expect those will not show up?
8 spots reservered for the LCQ, that makes a total of 6 spots left open.

6 spots open for 70 International players who already had earned an invitation but no trip (or traveling as companion)
I think at least 6 of them showed up and took those spots.
Blame them, those terrible International players, they took YOUR spot. :biggrin: (at least in the 15+).


You know what is even worse, if International all Countries the coming years will get 2 trips per agegroup it can end up 15+ will get NO LCQ at all. SOLD OUT in advange.


There has to be a LCQ... as advertised. Nintendo can't advertise this tournament to take place and simply not hold it.
 
Windjet said:
i think that the USA needs a real wake up call. I say worlds 07 should be somewhere other then the Americas like Japan or Switerland or somewhere other then here to show how hard the game is to those outside of America.

go ahead and yell. I really think that this should be taken into consideration. Remember the game started in Japan not here.

Windjet

That's crazy. Too many foreigners.
 
ryanvergel said:
There has to be a LCQ... as advertised. Nintendo can't advertise this tournament to take place and simply not hold it.


They can just drop it, and Nintendo has nothing to do with it, it's PUI.
Everything can be advertised and canceled/delayed/changed whatever.
 
Rainbowgym said:
They can just drop it, and Nintendo has nothing to do with it, it's PUI.
Everything can be advertised and canceled/delayed/changed whatever.


Well, if people spend hundreds of dollars to go to an advertised guarantee event, and there is no such event...

people would not be too happy I bet.
 
Meaby my English confused you, what I'm trying to say.
Ever thought about that there will be NO LCQ planned/advertised.

Everything is possible, even a main event with up 256 per agegroup, but before that happens the international scene has to grow, which is not really happening everywere.
 
Rainbowgym said:
Meaby my English confused you, what I'm trying to say.
Ever thought about that there will be NO LCQ planned/advertised.

Everything is possible, even a main event with up 256 per agegroup, but before that happens the international scene has to grow, which is not really happening everywere.


Hopefully more LDs can give out trips with the invites.

Every time I talk to you, or see you post, it reminds me of my Danish friends(they're girls) from warcraft (an online video game I play).
 
You're as cold as ice Phil.

And the question was asked, "ant wth do u think we are to the Japanese and european players?"

I'll tell you what we are...

WORLD. CHAMPIONS. BABY.
 
I think some of you need to have more faith in POP. Dave and crew have been doing an excellent job with this game since they took over 3 years ago and like Dave mentioned, most of his crew have many years of experience in handling these events. I also consider the statement "Worlds was a big waste of time" a very rude, harsh statement. When I first saw the subject line, it made me think that whoever posted that thought the event as a whole was a waste of time, but to me it just seems like you guys think that the grinder in general is a big waste of time. If that's the case, why have a grinder?

I'm thankful that they even have a grinder to begin with because they technically don't have to have a grinder because a world championship event is a big deal, and getting in would be an honor and would take a lot of skill and luck to get in as well. The event itself wouldn't be such a big deal if they just let in anyone who could attend that didn't get an invite. If that were the case, I'm sure people would be pouring in by the thousands and I'm sure that would be a nightmare to run, or let alone finding a big venue to run an event with thousands of people.

Hopefully this will be a wakeup call for us all to plan more strategies sooner rather than later, and try to compete in as many events as possible to earn an invite rather than taking your chances in the grinder. If there is a city, state, etc. in a state near you, compete in it and try to get that invite! It's highly unlikely that someone like me would get an invite on the first try, which is why traveling is better to increase your odds.

I think that POP may have more GC's this coming year. It's a plus that we even had 2 GC's this year in my state comparing to no GC the year before (unless there was just 1 and I forgot about it). Also, the game is growing and more leagues are forming. The more leagues and venues we as players can create (by advertising, starting up your own league), the more big events we can have. Think about it! Our state started out small but has been rapidly expanding and creating more leagues. We also need more new PTO's as well to split the main events up rather than having 1 or 2 key PTO's running 3 events in a single weekend. Giving new PTO's a chance to prove themselves by running an event such as cities would get them up to speed on how a premier event is operated. As long as our PTO's (veteran and new) are up for it, I'm sure that they'd be willing to run as many big events as they possibly can to give as many people as possible a shot at an invite.

Windjet said:
i think that the USA needs a real wake up call. I say worlds 07 should be somewhere other then the Americas like Japan or Switerland or somewhere other then here.
I myself wanted to bring that up at some point, and I'm sure PUI/POP has already considered this, and I'm sure they have also considered the costs and the amount of time it would take to make sure all the kids and people who go have passports, etc...

I'm sure that if we had worlds in Tokyo, Okinawa, Kyoto, or wherever else in the world, even though it would be cool, they'd have to figure out how they would pay for the trips for the people from the USA with invites. The cost of flying to Japan (or overseas in General) is around $800 alone. Hotel isn't really an issue, but knowing that POP chooses a nice quality hotel to run the event on, rooms would probably be around $300 a night if not more.

Now I'm not sure how many players from other parts of the world got an invite and actually used it to come here. However I can tell you that out of all the people who got invites around the world, around 60-70% of those invites were right here in the USA. (from what I heard, smack me if I'm wrong).

As an example: Just think about how much it would cost POP/PUI/Nintendo if they paid for us all to go over there if the USA had 75% of all the invites. It would be at least double if not triple the cost to transport us over there, house us, and then send us back home compared to just running an event here in the USA and only paying huge travel expenses for the other 25% of the invites from other parts of the world. :eek: I realize those numbers are unrealistic because I'm sure more people from other parts of the world got invites, but I am sure that at least half of all the invites were from the USA this year (wishes to see raw data..).

The cost of transporting the people who got invites would be more than what they are handing out as prize money/scholarships! If they held World's '0? in a country on the other side of the USA, they'd probably be willing to have the players split these costs 50/50 if anything....

Like I said, I think that would be cool to have it in Japan or something, but you have to consider the amount of money it takes to travel to another country, let alone the 3-6 month period it takes to get a passport (It took about 4 months for me to get my passport). On top of that you have to look at it from a business standpoint too. It may even be possible to have the organizers in Japan help pay for a World's event if it were to ever be held in Japan so that the PUI side isn't taking the full hit of expenses.... Like I said, I'm sure they've considered all this, but we have to give them time to plan it out if they are to plan on having this event in another country to begin with....
 
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SD PokéMom said:

Oh puh-lease...the grinder is supposed to be on the same scale, seats-wise as the Worlds event? Really?

What good will it do if POP was to announce that there's "only" X number of seats allotted per age group except to start more second-guessing and complaining about how they do things? You really think they _don't_ consider all this, even after reading Dave's post HERE?So you know how to do things better than POP, DukeFireBird? Really?

'mom =/

No mom, I did not imply that I knew how to run things better than POP, trust me. Even though I do run tournaments almost weekly. I mean, i just looked at the correlation of how major events are run (I consider a major event as having an impact prize (medallion, trip, invite, etc...)) and how the grinder was run. In all majors, play until 1 undefeated and then cut. Ginder, run until 8 undefeated. I know POP has their thing and I do have to accept it, and I do, i just don't want to be confused next year :tongue:

Hope to see all the Cali players at the CASC in 2006! Ill be there having fun with my new friends from worlds.
 
Regardless of the huge number of competitors playing in it, the Grinder is NOT a major tournament.
It's exactly what it's called.

It grinds out a few more qualifiers.
Anything that does that job and gets the required number fits the bill. It's not trying to declare a winner or say that so and so is number 1. It just needs a way to determine which X number of people to choose. Period.

Also, bear in mind that the Worlds staff effectively ran 3 major events three days in a row, two of which with appx. 400 competitors. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm impressed by that. I'm just sad that I'm the one to have to say it, since I was on the staff. I imagine the people at POP feel similarly about that, wondering if it was worth their while bending over backwards to give an extra opportunity if the only result is more complaints.
 
Alright, I really only read a few posts and whatever Professor Dave posted. Now, first off, I was one of the ones to go 4-1 in the Grinder. Whoever said 'only the best' got in is completely wrong. Of course it is luck and matchups, that has been pointed out already. I never liked this format either, but there isn't much you can do about it.

Sometimes I think that this game should be more like Magic: The Gathering. Maybe even others do. I would have liked to know how many got in from the grinder exactly, or had it single elimination announced prior to the event, but obviously POP didn't have that number in time. That's alright. There wasn't anything they could do and they did what they could, given the circumstance.

Should more rounds have been run? It would have been nice, but then you have a bunch of X-1s competiting for very few spots anyway. Also, as far as the Worlds Qualifying events, I don't even want to hear the complaining. California has an ENORMUS player base, easily the largest in the U.S. and we didn't get that many invites. It IS Worlds. They treated it like it was and there isn't much you can do about it. Deserving players will miss Worlds, it's unpreventable. Do you think every good player gets into Worlds, Nationals, Pro Tours, etc. in Magic? No. That's all I got.
 
POP - I don't think people have complains or whateven about how those 3 days went.
Events with 400+ players are huge and I think only TO's will understand what it takes to run such energy-eating events.


From the point of view of some "grindering" people I can feel why they are "moaning", they counted on more seats and they didn't read the LCQ announcements correct.

On the other hand I would say count your blessings.
Meaby it's an option to give all those unsatisfied players a one way trip to the Netherlands/Belgium/Germany whatever EU country and tell them to try to get into Worlds.
 
Well the main reason there couldn't be more invites for the 15+ was that there were alot of age ups. and thats fine, but how about next year, instead of moving them into a new age group, you let them compete in the age group they qualified for.
 
Another person with reading problems, or I must have one.

The move ups didn't take any spot in 15+, as far I can see they were added ABOVE the MAX seats available..
 
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