Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Wow togekiss is actually amazing

Togekiss is an interesting concept. It will, however , have to deal with the forever ongoing problem of setting it up.
 
That was not my argument. I was arguing that Togekiss blocks effects that affect any of your pokémon (i.e. that's what "done to" means), regardless of whether those effects are actually targeted at a pokémon. In other words, Tool Scrapper is blocked not because it targeted a pokémon, but because it affected (was "done to") one.
 
I don't see how Bright Veil can be misinterpreted. It's pretty straight forward "prevent all effects of that card done to your Pokemon" so anything that targets one of your Pokemon. To make it simpler if the effect is specific to a Pokemon bright veil blocks it, if it doesn't target directly it goes through.
 
So getting back on the subject of a Togekiss deck, any other "partners" for it? Anyone done any testing with it? I guess the general strategies to consider are backing it with "something", be it other Pokémon or simply Item spam. thepliskin5005 outlined basic strategy in his opening post and before I took the thread completely off topic because of my own issues with the ruling on Bright Veil, as well as a few more advanced ideas.

I don't like the idea of backing Togekiss with another Stage 2; while Bright Veil would protect it from Items, this is a format has more than that, plus Bright Veil only offers protection once Togekiss is set-up so running another Stage 2 line seems to offer more risk than reward. The format is very hard-hitting, so just getting multiple Togekiss ready seems a better focus.

What Basic and/or Stage 1 Pokémon are worth considering? Espeon would offer additional protection for cards with Energy. The bad news is that:

  • Stage 1
  • Effect requires each Pokémon has an Energy
  • Only protects against attacks; Abilities like Bright Look still go through.
 
I really like this deck idea. Will definitely check it out! THANK YOU!!!


So, here is what I mainly like. The fact that anything on your bench will not be affected, nor will items attached to Togekiss, or energies.

The fact you can put it with Deoxys to increase damage, that's pretty cool. Rock Guard, or whatever it is called, seems like an awesome idea as well!

Here is where I think it gets VERY interesting.
Ghetsis and Sabeleye. With Togekiss out, they are incapable of playing Catcher. I have no idea if they can play it and the ability negates it, or if they are incapable of playing it at all. Ghetsis allows you to discard the catchers that should hopefully be stacking up in their hand.

This allows Sabeleye to come in and grab a few trainers from the discard. If all, or some, of their catchers are discarded, this makes it even harder for them to either get it and use it. So I feel Sabeleye IS a good play. I honestly can not wait to try this out.

Again, THANK YOU!
 
Oh wow i just thought of a great idea for this deck.....it makes it a lot better you could run celbie ex with it and do more damage......and remember you can also have reuniclus with it.
 
I have been using Togekiss on TCGO and I like it.
Perhaps only because people keep on trying to use Lasers/Catcher against it.

It sure needs something as finish hitter the damage output is to low.
I was using it with Cherrims and Aspertia + Cloak, annoying but not enough to win many games.
 
thepliskin5005 said:
Oh wow i just thought of a great idea for this deck.....it makes it a lot better you could run celbie ex with it and do more damage......and remember you can also have reuniclus with it.
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Celebi EX would only help if we had a Togetic that did more than 30 damage. The only Togetic in format does 30 damage and allows the opponent to draw a card, which is basically strictly worse than Return.

Now, if you could use Team Rocket Returns's Togetic's Rainbow Moves... :)
 
thepliskin5005 said:
No raxi you use celebie's attack and bring up togekiss.
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Oh, that would improve things a bit, I always forget Celebi's attack! If I wanted a switching attacker, personally, I'd probably try Mew/Togekiss/Accelgor, as Deck and Cover is easier to charge and does as much damage as Celebi (or more!) with Poison; it would be sort of like Gothitelle/Accelgor but with different strengths and weaknesses.
 
When goofing around with the card, I really like using it to asperia/cape/stall while I set up a usually too complex combo. Accelgor/Mew for one, Plasma Snorlax/Giratina/Lugia EX for another.
 
Because togesskiss isn't weak to psychic, is compatible with asperia, and has ten more HP. Did I mention not being weak to psychic? Also, it has a cheaper retreat cost (you'll be using darkrai anyways likely but eh) Also, it can be run with any energy type, not just psychic.
 
Eh. Psychic thing isn't that worry some. But people are acting like Togekiss is 'brand new information!'

I've been running it on tcgo just for the thread. With darkrai lasers sableye. Sucks Togekiss can't stop Supporters also. But so far it's nice not worrying about my side of the field. Hard to see how effective it is online..since we don't know the hand of the opponent.(At least in league we discuss) But I'm assuming it works as they pass their turn often lol.
 
Aside from other switch tactics, one could use Whimsicott to pull off 70 every other turn. Or Aerodactyl until Deoxys comes out to increase that damage output.
 
And you cant use max potion on gothitelle......if you dont have reuniclus set up you could just use thous instead. If you would put in celebi ex i would also put in darkri ex in also so retreating is always free.
 
Phadrex said:
Eh. Psychic thing isn't that worry some. But people are acting like Togekiss is 'brand new information!'
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It is called Mewtwo EX. Even though it isn't as popular as it once was... what happens when a deck is even anticipated doing well? Right, players metagame it. Before Plasma Steel decks won anything, players were making up their minds whether to prep for it or not. There isn't enough room to prep for everything, and you have to weigh several factors to decide what is and isn't necessary...

...but Mewtwo EX is a pretty easy Pokémon to work into most decks and is pretty useful in general. If Gothitelle decks become big, Mewtwo EX will become at least a "loose" deck staple.

Phadrex said:
I've been running it on tcgo just for the thread. With darkrai lasers sableye. Sucks Togekiss can't stop Supporters also.
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Stopping Supporters wouldn't do anything right now; none affect your Pokémon (as per Bright Veil). If Togekiss stopped Supporters in general plus the Items it blocks now, that would probably be too powerful.
 
Also, re psychic weakness, being weak to plasma Deoxys EX would be an issue come plasma freeze.
 
And in both cases, Gothitelle may hit harder, but any of the Energy counting attacks (hello again Mewtwo EX and Deoxys EX) will hit it hard even before it can attack. Ironically, Togekiss may have a higher damage yield because it will live long enough to attack. ¬_¬
 
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