Your Definition of "Rogue"
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waynegg
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Because it's spelled ROGUE. R-o-u-g-e is a red tinted powder which is usually applied to the cheek area by ladies to either accentuate or mask their cheek bones. You misspelled it and the system auto replaces with red face powder to make fun of your lack of basic English skills.
Top Cut Comics
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I think Dennis Hawk pretty much nailed it with his explanation....
When I play my decks, I take into consideration the top 4 decks being played. Nothing more. When I build I try to ensure I have at least a 50-50 vs all 4 of those decks. You do not need to design a deck to AUTOWIN any of these matchups. Your skills as a players can determine the winner in a 50-50 matchup. In doing this I take losses to many other decks. some being auto losses. These make the best games if you can pull out the win.
The trick with rogue decks is to win your first 2 matches in the tournament. If you fail to win those rounds you run a greater risk of facing some of the tier 2 decks that you lose to. Staying at the top tables and playing against the decks you have designed your deck to beat is very important to the success of a rogue deck.
I have gone 3-3 at a tournament one week and then swept it with the same deck the following week. Very rarely will you see any rogue deck make it into a top cut undefeated. These types of decks are designed to lose 1-2 games in a tournament. My favorite place to enter the top cut is the bottom half of the cut. This will allow me to play the top half which has the top 4 decks I have meta'd for.
There is not golden rule for building a rogue deck. TESTING and UNDERSTANDING OF THE META are the key points to building a succesful rogue deck.
I know I have a good deck when someone looks at me and says..... "can I see what that does?" Gives me a great feeling of success.
Look for Champion room coming your way soon..... LOL
Jimmy
When I play my decks, I take into consideration the top 4 decks being played. Nothing more. When I build I try to ensure I have at least a 50-50 vs all 4 of those decks. You do not need to design a deck to AUTOWIN any of these matchups. Your skills as a players can determine the winner in a 50-50 matchup. In doing this I take losses to many other decks. some being auto losses. These make the best games if you can pull out the win.
The trick with rogue decks is to win your first 2 matches in the tournament. If you fail to win those rounds you run a greater risk of facing some of the tier 2 decks that you lose to. Staying at the top tables and playing against the decks you have designed your deck to beat is very important to the success of a rogue deck.
I have gone 3-3 at a tournament one week and then swept it with the same deck the following week. Very rarely will you see any rogue deck make it into a top cut undefeated. These types of decks are designed to lose 1-2 games in a tournament. My favorite place to enter the top cut is the bottom half of the cut. This will allow me to play the top half which has the top 4 decks I have meta'd for.
There is not golden rule for building a rogue deck. TESTING and UNDERSTANDING OF THE META are the key points to building a succesful rogue deck.
I know I have a good deck when someone looks at me and says..... "can I see what that does?" Gives me a great feeling of success.
Look for Champion room coming your way soon..... LOL
Jimmy
Redados1
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That pretty much sums up my Machamp deck (only beats LuxChomp, 60/40 dialgachomp, 60/40 sablelock, beats VileGar at least mine does) loses to random tier two decks. But Machamp isn't rogue?
Politoed666
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Bad luck has always been my go-to. ;] But then again, if you're playing LuxChomp and you're at the bottom tables, you're just bad. Playing a rogue deck is a reason more than an excuse... once in awhile, I'll play some garbage, totally out there deck, and it'll land me in a less-than-desirable spot on the standings. If you take responsibility for playing a bad deck, i.e. "rogue," not so much an excuse IMO.
Zathaz
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Yes I don't play meta game decks. Now why Is that? Is it because I am too high and Mighty o play a deck that somebody else though of first? No. Is it because I am too cheap to buy certain cards? No. Is it because I think I am accomplishing Somthing amazing by playing with a new deck almost every week? No. It's for fun. I believe that rogue is not what I do hahaha.
Otaku
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You know I am starting to wonder if attempting to metagame would disqualify a rogue deck from being rogue? What do I mean? Its almost like trying to "be cool". When I was new to organized play, a rogue deck was like a rogue elephant: something that didn't behave like normal. The tournament probably wasn't going to be won by the rogue deck but by one of the "pack".
Kayle
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Machamp isn't rogue because it's been commonly seen for at least a year.
A rogue deck is a new deck, one that is unexpected. SP players go into tournaments, especially large ones, expecting to see some Machamp. By definition it can't be rogue.
My definition is my oops no hand deck that i will unleash upon everyone! BWAHAHAHA meh someone probably already thought of it though.
but honestly the very definition of rogue is playing a deck you want to play because you love the pokemon and it is tourney viable and can actually beat other decks that are in meta, its just hasnt been used before or seen often. It is this that really mixes up the game and makes it fun to play when you see your opponents face.
haha i know its not rogue per say but, i was the only one playing combee in masters i went
4-1 i know i did that well because i took them by suprise. Rogue is the element of suprise.
but honestly the very definition of rogue is playing a deck you want to play because you love the pokemon and it is tourney viable and can actually beat other decks that are in meta, its just hasnt been used before or seen often. It is this that really mixes up the game and makes it fun to play when you see your opponents face.
haha i know its not rogue per say but, i was the only one playing combee in masters i went
4-1 i know i did that well because i took them by suprise. Rogue is the element of suprise.
Muk Man
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Sablelock... All the cards in it were ALREADY STAPLES... Including the Honchcrow, what made it rogue was the strategy, the opponent couldn't not grasp the concept of the deck till the match was over.
If someone plays a deck thats NOT popular, that doesnt make it rogue. When Luxray Started Showing up everywhere, Others stopped playing Palkia Lock. If I start playin Palkia Lock thats doesn't make it a rogue deck, or me a rogue player. Now if i started playing TTar, sure others have tried TTar before, but there is no TTar Deck so it would be a rogue Ttar
chrisrocks
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from what i know of rogue is this
A unexpected idea played from a very hard to see strategy like gyarados from Fabian Gardner, i mean not a whole lot of people would see this strategy easy when they didnt know and realize that you had sableye to discard karps through filicitys or even having recovery through pokemon rescue
(i think i got fabians last name spelled wrong lol not sure)
A unexpected idea played from a very hard to see strategy like gyarados from Fabian Gardner, i mean not a whole lot of people would see this strategy easy when they didnt know and realize that you had sableye to discard karps through filicitys or even having recovery through pokemon rescue
(i think i got fabians last name spelled wrong lol not sure)
ProfessorJacob7
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playing a combination of cards with a unique strategy that can doesnt take god start/hand and perfect luck give it at least turn 3 set up. generally it is a deck that utilizes pokemon that most people wouldnt ever really think of, that can also counter the most popular decks, scizor/toxicroak is a good example of this. in sabelocks case, it is to use a different combination of supporters and pokemon such as chatot G, to simply prevent your opponent from ever setting up, and then using very common cards, such as honchkrow G and garchomp C lv X to KO your opponents pokemon.
IMHO, that is rogue.
IMHO, that is rogue.
Hatter™
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I always play Rogue.
Ever since I started playing.. I have been Rogue. When I find an idea I like.. I will stick with it through about 35 games.. and.. if I am not satisfied after that.. I take it apart.. although.. I keep all of my lists just incase new cards are released that can take an idea over the top.
Although, when a new archetype makes its way up the ladder.. I build it and play about 10-15 games with it, so that I know all of its tricks and talk to my friends about what techs can be used.. so that I am prepared for anything.
Ever since I started playing.. I have been Rogue. When I find an idea I like.. I will stick with it through about 35 games.. and.. if I am not satisfied after that.. I take it apart.. although.. I keep all of my lists just incase new cards are released that can take an idea over the top.
Although, when a new archetype makes its way up the ladder.. I build it and play about 10-15 games with it, so that I know all of its tricks and talk to my friends about what techs can be used.. so that I am prepared for anything.
Ch0ncey is Pr0
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Destiny was the best rogue ever imo, made by Jimmy of course. Loved that deck so much and it had answers to everything back in the 06-07 season. I loved tweaking the deck and this is what taught me to look at the metagame in a bigger picture.
The definition of rogue is a good, unpopular, unthought of, meta countering deck. Usually they have a different strategy never seen before to them because it was not clear when looking through cards, which is why it was not popular. It really takes a great player and deck builder to create one, as well as guts to play it. Most people just have a hard time shying away from what is tested and true, naturally.
The definition of rogue is a good, unpopular, unthought of, meta countering deck. Usually they have a different strategy never seen before to them because it was not clear when looking through cards, which is why it was not popular. It really takes a great player and deck builder to create one, as well as guts to play it. Most people just have a hard time shying away from what is tested and true, naturally.
TheDarkTwins
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I consider rogue to have different definition that most.
I would agree that most of the decks (usually) at that do well are rogue, but I would also say that a few decks that are played that do well are rogue as well. I played Gyarados last year during States. In the first States 3 made T8, however none won. The next weekend, I was the ONLY player I believe that played Gyarados at my event and I won. Gyarados was well known and definitely not a rogue deck, but I would have considered it for the event I won. I went 9-0 and I was the ONLY person out of over 40 players playing it. I consider when less than 5% of the people are playing a deck no matter how popular it is, to be rogue. That might be a bad definition but rogue is something that is random. I think that 1 person playing a deck out of over 40 is random, but that's just me.
Drew
I would agree that most of the decks (usually) at that do well are rogue, but I would also say that a few decks that are played that do well are rogue as well. I played Gyarados last year during States. In the first States 3 made T8, however none won. The next weekend, I was the ONLY player I believe that played Gyarados at my event and I won. Gyarados was well known and definitely not a rogue deck, but I would have considered it for the event I won. I went 9-0 and I was the ONLY person out of over 40 players playing it. I consider when less than 5% of the people are playing a deck no matter how popular it is, to be rogue. That might be a bad definition but rogue is something that is random. I think that 1 person playing a deck out of over 40 is random, but that's just me.
Drew
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