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I don't think anyone ever challenged the fact that the dude was good enough to win worlds. Obviously the guy is a good player as he went 12-0 in the toughest field around.

I think the issue was his list construction. There were just certain things about his list consistency wise that to the American player base looked incredibly off( No call and 3 Warp) PONT I understand over Claydol as in a mostly SP meta it just would have got sniped/ bright looked anyway.

Does the guy deserve credit for winning worlds and going 12-0? Absolutely, probably one of the best showings of all time... But obviously with his list he must have got lucky a few times along the way(he topdecked his only out game three of the finals, he loses if he doesn't draw Uxie X and he did) if he hadn't won what would everyone be saying?

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I don't think anyone ever challenged the fact that the dude was good enough to win worlds. Obviously the guy is a good player as he went 12-0 in the toughest field around.

I think the issue was his list construction. There were just certain things about his list consistency wise that to the American player base looked incredibly off( No call and 3 Warp) PONT I understand over Claydol as in a mostly SP meta it just would have got sniped/ bright looked anyway.

Does the guy deserve credit for winning worlds and going 12-0? Absolutely, probably one of the best showings of all time... But obviously with his list he must have got lucky a few times along the way(he topdecked his only out game three of the finals, he loses if he doesn't draw Uxie X and he did) if he hadn't won what would everyone be saying?

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But when you have other people who are on top of their games, and make very similar plays then a poor deck list wouldn't have got you very far. This is a tournament so tough that Chris Fulop, Jason K, Gino L, Pooka etc all failed to top cut in, I don't care how good you are - you won't do well with medicore list. I think his list looks really weird, and if he'd have posted that on Pokegym 1 month ago he would have been shot down - but his Worlds win proves it was good. I know he won it on a top deck, but he took the top 2 to game 3 and had the game come down to luck.

Silvestro winning Worlds highlighted the fact that everyone overlooked Luxray GL Lv X as a tech, and it had a huge impact on the game since. I think the same will be done with this list.
 
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/rɪˈdɪkyələs/ Show Spelled[ri-dik-yuh-luhs] Show IPA
–adjective
causing or worthy of ridicule or derision; absurd; preposterous; laughable

Hmm, no I don't believe any deck that won worlds is worthy of ridicule, absurd, preposterous, or laughable. If it were ridiculous, why would a good player even seriously bother with it? Unless of course it wasn't ridiculous. It may have some strange choices, but those are obviously above our head, unless you're saying worlds was won on a fluke.

Ridiculous:
"rye-dik-you-luz" Originally said by rapper Blasfemus, this pronounciation of the word ridiculous describes something that is at the top level of greatness, insanity, or beauty.
An alternative word for style other than : fly, ghetto fabulous, The Shiznit, iced-out, etc.
A person's style that's ridiculous is "fly".
My style is off the chain ridiculous cuz I roll like dat!

100-year old dictionary definitions are not always accurate.
 
I don't think anyone ever challenged the fact that the dude was good enough to win worlds. Obviously the guy is a good player as he went 12-0 in the toughest field around.

I think the issue was his list construction. There were just certain things about his list consistency wise that to the American player base looked incredibly off( No call and 3 Warp) PONT I understand over Claydol as in a mostly SP meta it just would have got sniped/ bright looked anyway.

Does the guy deserve credit for winning worlds and going 12-0? Absolutely, probably one of the best showings of all time... But obviously with his list he must have got lucky a few times along the way(he topdecked his only out game three of the finals, he loses if he doesn't draw Uxie X and he did) if he hadn't won what would everyone be saying?

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Hey he played against GG/MACHAMP at finals... Can't imagine much harder Luxchomp counter =/... He needed a good top deck for a win and he got it. We can't know what else lucky happened to both sides during the game, but if he managed to win super counter deck even with lucky topdecks/opponent misplays it is super tough match-up so mad props to him! I really liked the list... list IS consant though people are saying it isn't just because there is no calls... He played 3 PONTS, communication, (luxury ball) and extra bebe, which aren't in normal Luxchomp lists with call energies so imo deck is very constant...
 
The deck is good, also if i remember he made T4 in '06 too, so he's obviously a really good player. Just give the guy props, clearly Japan knows something we(Americans/rest of world) that we don't, no one would've thought of Gardy in LuxChomp, so just let it be, they did good and well they are. I won't say the deck is Super Consistent but the PONT helps w/bad starts.
 
Ridiculous:
"rye-dik-you-luz" Originally said by rapper Blasfemus, this pronounciation of the word ridiculous describes something that is at the top level of greatness, insanity, or beauty.
An alternative word for style other than : fly, ghetto fabulous, The Shiznit, iced-out, etc.
A person's style that's ridiculous is "fly".
My style is off the chain ridiculous cuz I roll like dat!

100-year old dictionary definitions are not always accurate.
Or we can use context.....
Yes it is. It is very ridiculous. the guy is just good

And you can quit telling people what to do. You aren't a moderator

list is ridiculous ----> :(

"Ridiculous" was obviously not used as a compliment.
 
PONT is not a good card in a format where Gardy is one of the top 3 decks :\

I feel like his list was designed specifically for mirror, and that's probably what he played against most of the time. Dialga/Warps gave him some edge over Gengar and Gardy, but I feel like if he played vs Jumpluff or even Gyarados he would have gotten stomped.

It's a decent list that was obviously built for the Worlds metagame, so I can't discount the list for the fact. However, this deck would never have made it anywhere close to this far at US Nationals because it lacks the versatility and overall-roundedness of the "American" Luxchomp lists.
 
The deck is good, also if i remember he made T4 in '06 too, so he's obviously a really good player. Just give the guy props, clearly Japan knows something we(Americans/rest of world) that we don't, no one would've thought of Gardy in LuxChomp, so just let it be, they did good and well they are. I won't say the deck is Super Consistent but the PONT helps w/bad starts.
Actually my brother has been telling me to put gardy in my luxchomp since states. Should have listened :/ I just didn't like the idea of a stage 2 tech without candy. Does anyone know if he ran any candy? Gardy does work great for the mirror though and sabelock
 
From what I hear, Yamato ran Kirlia PT as a Mewtwo counter (60 for PCC) and just threw Gardy in there (obviously could be useful for a number of reasons). So no Candy.
 
Yuta wasn't the only one playing Dragonite for the event. Almost every Japanese player had it, including Yamato, but I also saw Con and Pooka with it, though I am unsure if they played it over Ambipom.
 
1. no call is bad- period. It decreases your ability to use the early power spray, the earlier garchomp/luxray/uxie level up, and virtually ALL of your attackers use colorless.
2. 3 warp is bad- period. Not even dialgachomp uses that many- and there is no claydol or anything particularly heavy to drag up in this matchup.
3. 2 lightning is bad, and is asking for (as prime notes) ambipom to wreck you, and to have prizing issues.
4. the list, at times, seems ‘good’ for mirror, and at other times bad. Mostly bad. PONT is not the worst play- having supporter draw is amazing, and was very popular in JP mirror games. After burning through cyrus- or trying to resist power sprays on uxies, or snipes on claydols having that is usually a great option. I would probably use a Cynthia, or maybe try to use 2 draw/1 VS seeker or something (more versatility and utility)- but it isn’t TERRIBLE. However, he only used the PONT ONCE during the THREE games against Pram- showing it as virtually useless against GG (as mikey notes). On this note, using dragonite OVER ambipom is decent. I think that ambipom is technically slightly better- I would honestly try to use both (and a lot of American players did just that). Dragonite is a worse starter (start with it against tomb some time ;)), is worse against any non-mirror, and even in mirror is susceptible to problems and difficult usages (three energy is a lot to use!) but it is really really nice against garchomp. Forcing the opposing garchomp (because they cant use croak to retaliate like they can vs ambipom) is nice, because you can simply return a KO. Dragonite also can’t be dragon rushed on the benched like ‘pom can, so he makes a better bench sitter to promote after they KO with chomp. If they snipe your benched chomp instead, you simply OHKO again. Ambipom’s two attacks, however, adds a little more versatility and makes me give it the slight edge, even in mirror and DEFINITELY versus the field. All in all, ambipom seems to be the better choice- both would be great, and if you foresee all mirror, dragonite probably better. Regardless, his mirror choices weren’t too bad. No promocroak is also pretty lame too- lack of psychic (as dark toxicroak notes) makes azelf useless as an attacker too (when he can be quite breaking).
5. dialga seems inferior as a m2x counter to mismagius (who doubles as a cursegar and GG counter- both of which made top 4).
6. no one is trying to discredit the guy’s skills. He is obviously a good player, in-game. The people attacking the list are doing just that- attacking the choices made on paper, not in game.

Overall, it seems to be a mirror-centric list, but even then seems inferior to other options. Running both pom and dragonite would’ve been a great play (and many Americans used this). No promocroak is also disheartening. Call is also great in mirror. I think a better mirror list could be made. This seems like a half-hearted mirror list. No call/croak/pom/Q etc are obvious mirror cards, moreso than PONT or dragonite.

If I saw this list laying on a table, I would trash talk it. If this list gets printed- I will still trash talk it. It looks horribly inconsistent and muddled in conception. Mirror-centric… in some ways.


That final game of the Masters was the verry best single game I have ever witnessed. HUge Momentum changes. At first it looked like LuxChomp had it when it went up 2-0 then all the suddend a machamp gemoes down from nowhere and it looks like Luxchomp is going down. Then when Gardy comes up and locks, they next card is Uxie X and the OHKO with Lucario SP on the bench. Then the undamaged Machamp comes up. He lookers the Luxchomp players hand, and takes out to tie the game 1-1. Then he gets everything he needs in the next 6 cards draws (5 for lookers and one for his turn) Boom throws down an energy. Levels up to Luxray X, brings up the uxie and trashbolts for the win. He needed the Luxray X and two energy in 6 cards to win the World Championship and he got it. What a fantastic finish to the best final match in Pokemon World Championaship history.

Prizes were 3 left for Pram, 2 for his opponent. Pramawat with an Uxie, Machamp (fresh), and Gardevoir (fresh) in play. His opponent has a luxray benched, a lucario GL, and an uxie with a DCE attached. Pramawat uses Looker’s and sees a warp, metal in his opponent’s hand- with nothing else really good (besides a spray and luxray X/energy gain which he knew was there due to poketurn) or reliable to access an Uxie X. Pram shuffles himself in, and retreats machamp to psychic lock his opponent’s sacrificed Azelf for a KO to tie the prizes.

His opponent promotes Luxray GL, and slowly draws his card and slaps it onto the table quickly once he realizes he god-drew into the uxie X he needed to KO the active gardevoir. He attaches the warp energy from hand to retreat the luxray GL and promotes uxie with DCE, levels up and KOs the gardy to take the lead 2-1 prizes (and draws a prized lightning energy [one was already in the discard, and to be fair he used azelf to look at his prizes early so he knew it was there, but to have it prized and ‘accessible’ was a tad lucky]).

Pramawat now has 2 lone pokemon- the uxie and fresh machamp, and he promotes Machamp for a clean takeout to tie the game at 1-1 prizes. The entire time he has yet to draw a night maintenance or expert belt (either of which would give him the win in these last two turns- NM allowing the fetching of a dead gardy X via bebe, and expert belt to give additional HP to either gardy or benched uxie the turn after).

It was definitely an emotional rollercoaster, and the end result is that I think the inferior list ended up winning out due to drawing better than the opponent. Luxray not using ambipom, call, psychics (for azelf to least lock up a champ and set up a KO) or unown G were all poor decisions in my book, but his topdeck and luck ability proved to be too much for Pramawat.
 
I personally like the idea of 3 warp, It helps Vs AMU PLOX for a start. IMO PONT is a great idea. Dragonite FB helps loads Vs SP as if you KO the chomp, chances are they cannot return KO. Then you hit a solid 80, whilst ambi is KOed by croak.
 
I really hate how many of you are saying his list is bad, How exactly did he win worlds in masters if his list was bad?
He was a good players and the list is just different then what you guys are used to and you americans dont take well to new things so your hating on it, yes it did topdeck to win in the finals and i beleave that plox/machamp should have won but i still think this is a good deck. How could you say be cant beat SPs or anything els, he must have played a few luxchomps at worlds and he wouldn't make a deck he didn't feel could be SPs.
Call energy is good ONLY at the beggining, and after fetching 2 pokemon its a crappy energy to draw, me and my friends have already tested out his list and it works VERY WELL, dont just look at the list and say its bad, try the deck out.
 
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At regionals i ran toxicroak and dragonite as my techs in dialgachomp. I beat 2 luxchomps so I can second that it does help and is unexpected. I got a funny look from a kid playing blaze blaze when i t1'd his blaziken fb lol.

I can see why warp energys, but not why no call. Also 2 lightning is kind of shaky here.
 
@LM: LuxCHomp is a deck that can win anything given a little luck just becasue of how the Pokemon are designed. The list can be utterly horrifying and still get Ambipom and Call/Spray all day and roll. While I in no way am going to harp the guys skills, as he went undefeated, the deck isn't something people would recommend and for understandable reasons. I know when I tried RayBees it was horribley suceptable to dead draw and I couldn't do anything with it. Yet it won worlds. It just depends on how someone's luck is going for the day.

That being said, I think that this list actually has enough things altered that while the simple exclusion of one makes a subpar list, the careful removal of all of them makes it rather effeicent. While 2 Lightning still irks me horribley, I can see Dragonite working better with Warp energy and how PONT could be a nice addition. Still don't think it'd be my final draft of the deck, but hey, whatever works. People told me I had to add Regice in Jumpluff and I couldn't stand it, so Dnite in LuxChomp could be the same way. Though no Promocraok is rediculous!
 
I agree and disagree w/ ryanvergel
I feel that a better mirror list can be made, i think what it came down to was SKILL AND LUCK, to win. He clearly had both, also the lack of call did make me cry ;(
I think it is a list that well was a japan list, i'll be honest i don't think it would have fared well at nats but clearly he is a great player, maybe not the best deckbuilder.
I also have to say i can't even fathom EVER building a list like this.
But hey he won and he's won more Worlds than i have so what can i say to him :p
 
He went undefeated with the list. Luck is a part of the game... etc. The dude should get some props for thinking outside the box and winning.
 
I think the fact that lots of good players didn't top cut is a testament to the format as opposed to how tough the field was
 
I think the list reflects more of how he expected the tourney to go and not how it actually went down; there are differences between metagames :/

Either way, I hope Jacob L's list, the superior list, gets printed as it reflects something most players can say is LuxChomp.
 
No matter how much topdecking you do, once your list wins worlds it isn't awful.

What matters is not how a list does in theory, but how it does in practice.
 
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