ZRE and Yamato??

[SLOW DECK]

If you click on your own avatar, you can check all posts by yourself or others. I recalled the list, and remembered that I had posted on it. Looking up stuff other wise can be difficult.

 

[zapdos ex]

ahh.....i didn't know that, i knew you could click on your name and view your profile, but i thought clicking on your avatar did the same thing. oh well...how does rockets mission help anyway!?!?!

 

[Ice'Cold]

I still don't see how mew ex is very good in ZRE unless you can somehow start with him in your active slot and chain voltorb's power which can be very hard to do.

 

[Shiloh Phoenix]

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?p=299085#post299085

This might be the link you were thinking off.

Pokemon-16

x4 magmar
x4 voltorb
x4 electrode ex
x2 zapdos ex
x2 rayquaza ex (dx)

Trainers-28

x2 claw fossil
x4 tv reporter
x3 rockets mission
x4 battle frontier
x4 pow! hand extension
x4 dual ball
x4 lannetes
x3 pokeball

energy-16
x8 fire
x8 lightning

Thank you! *copy/pastes into word* now to find another electrode.

 

[charking]

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?p=299085#post299085

This might be the link you were thinking off.

Pokemon-16

x4 magmar
x4 voltorb
x4 electrode ex
x2 zapdos ex
x2 rayquaza ex (dx)

Trainers-28

x2 claw fossil
x4 tv reporter
x3 rockets mission
x4 battle frontier
x4 pow! hand extension
x4 dual ball
x4 lannetes
x3 pokeball

energy-16
x8 fire
x8 lightning

Does anyone besides me see the glaring weakness this deck has to Dewgong? It's completely resistant to Trode/Quaza/Zappy, and can OHKO Magmar & Voltorb... then again, no deck's perfect.

 

[ryanvergel]

Who cares, let a deck use dewgong, it'll fold to any other deck. You won't be facing the deck in top cut so I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[EXgardevoir2]

Slow Deck: I thought there were Reversals in his list...

Umm...if you were to add in a Mew, what would you take out and how would you manipulate the energies?

 

[charking]

Who cares, let a deck use dewgong, it'll fold to any other deck. You won't be facing the deck in top cut so I wouldn't worry about it.

Don't start personal bashings again. You don't know me enough to say something like that. FYI, I do rank high in the tournaments I go to, even if they're mainly prereleases and league tourneys.

 

[ryanvergel]

Don't start personal bashings again. You don't know me enough to say something like that. FYI, I do rank high in the tournaments I go to, even if they're mainly prereleases and league tourneys.

Stop assuming you means charking. If I was addressing you, I would have quoted you. The world doesn't revolve around you, charking. If I don't quote someone, then my response is obviously not directed towards someone, thus it cannot be a personal bash.

Dewgong sucks, if someone uses it, they probably won't be a threat in a top cut. No deck will be immune to all pokemon, you have to know that if your weaknesses are rarely used, or when they are used they suck against other decks, you will have a good chance at a tournament.

Look at queendom. "oh no, you might want to worry about sunflora!" "um, no... i may lose to sunflora, but sunflora will lose to any other deck, so I won't even FACE that deck in the top cut, so... no... i won't worry about it"

 

[charking]

Stop assuming you means charking. If I was addressing you, I would have quoted you. The world doesn't revolve around you, charking. If I don't quote someone, then my response is obviously not directed towards someone, thus it cannot be a personal bash.

Wow, someone's still filled with hate... can't we all just get along? :smile:

Dewgong sucks, if someone uses it, they probably won't be a threat in a top cut. No deck will be immune to all pokemon, you have to know that if your weaknesses are rarely used, or when they are used they suck against other decks, you will have a good chance at a tournament.

Dewgong sucks? By your logic, every other tech sucks too. If something's good enough to completely demolish a cirtain archtype singlehandedly, it shouldn't be bashed like that just because it isn't popular, which seems to me like those are the only 'worthy' cards in your opinion. Face it, ppl find ways to use underplayed cards. That's a good factor of this game you might not want to ignore.

Not to mention that ZRE wasn't even discovered at first when all of it's components were released...

Look at queendom. "oh no, you might want to worry about sunflora!" "um, no... i may lose to sunflora, but sunflora will lose to any other deck, so I won't even FACE that deck in the top cut, so... no... i won't worry about it"

Am I implying that there should be a deck focused around Dewgong? No! It could be thrown in lots of already good water decks. Just a copy or two would do, just like any other safeguarder.

 

[Pidgeotto Trainer]

Dewgong would only work if you get it early. Because if you get it when your behind you will never win. Attack Rayquaza ex 9 times and then they switch to another. You'll never win in time.

 

[charking]

Dewgong would only work if you get it early. Because if you get it when your behind you will never win. Attack Rayquaza ex 9 times and then they switch to another. You'll never win in time.

Crystal Shard.

 

[Ice'Cold]

Go ahead and use dewgong. He's right though, it might help you versus ZRE a little but it doesn't give you an auto win, it just buys you time to stall with. It will also greatly hurt your other non ex matchups throughout other play.

 

[Cyrus]

Well, although Dewgong theoretically annihilates ZRE (ex's can't attack, and torb/magmar/magcargo get ohko'd), you have to have the worst board vs everything else:

-Dewgong has to be by ITSELF (no pows)
-Dewgong has to have sitrus berry and/or potion.

That is the only 100% way to beat ZRE. But really...do you want that 100% way?

 

[charking]

Go ahead and use dewgong. He's right though, it might help you versus ZRE a little but it doesn't give you an auto win, it just buys you time to stall with. It will also greatly hurt your other non ex matchups throughout other play.

I know I'm not... I despize Dewgong as much as Dunsparce, if not moreso.

Well, although Dewgong theoretically annihilates ZRE (ex's can't attack, and torb/magmar/magcargo get ohko'd), you have to have the worst board vs everything else:

-Dewgong has to be by ITSELF (no pows)
-Dewgong has to have sitrus berry and/or potion.

That is the only 100% way to beat ZRE. But really...do you WANT that 100% way? =/

If there's Citrus/Potion already in the deck and room for a 1-1 or 2-2 tech line, I can't see why not.

 

[Cyrus]

Eh, I'm going to edit the tone of my post, because on multiple occasions, I've actually considered using Dewgong tech in decks bad against ZRE.

But anyways, it could be effective, but only as a 1-1 or 2-2...and is absolutely unneeded...don't play it unless you KNOW that zre will be a huge factor at a tourney you're going to, because in most situations/the format as a whole, Ninetales is just better all-around.

 

[charking]

because in most situations/the format as a whole, Ninetales is just better all-around.

Not to mention Dewgong's weakness to Deltas...

 

[Jaeger]

Does anyone besides me see the glaring weakness this deck has to Dewgong? It's completely resistant to Trode/Quaza/Zappy, and can OHKO Magmar & Voltorb... then again, no deck's perfect.

Its all about whats popular no one really seems to play Dewgong so why worry about it, if it won a couple tourny people might change their mind and tech it or against it. Also about the list I remember someone asking Yamto about Zapdos EX in ZRE and he said only run one so you don't start with it as much but I don't know maybe Goh ran two.

Didn't read the second page before I put this, guess you guys already had a conversation about it.

 

[charking]

Its all about whats popular no one really seems to play Dewgong so why worry about it, if it won a couple tourny people might change their mind and tech it or against it. Also about the list I remember someone asking Yamto about Zapdos EX in ZRE and he said only run one so you don't start with it as much but I don't know maybe Goh ran two.

Didn't read the second page before I put this, guess you guys already had a conversation about it.

Very true. Though I just wish ppl could look at the potential a Pokemon has instead of how popular it is. Though it IS their loss, I still care about what my fellow PKMN TCGers think.

(and for the record, I'd rather play 9tales or Altaria than Dewgong anyway)

 

[CardRaider]

http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?p=299085#post299085

This might be the link you were thinking off.

Pokemon-16

x4 magmar
x4 voltorb
x4 electrode ex
x2 zapdos ex
x2 rayquaza ex (dx)

Trainers-28

x2 claw fossil
x4 tv reporter
x3 rockets mission
x4 battle frontier
x4 pow! hand extension
x4 dual ball
x4 lannetes
x3 pokeball

energy-16
x8 fire
x8 lightning

I'm sorry, but I don't think this deck is NEARLY as close as Yamato's deck. You seemed to be forgetting one of the most important components in a ZRE deck: ROCKET'S ADMIN!!! He did not play Magmar, nor BF or Lannette.
Here is a deck that me and a couple of my New Zealand friends (thanks, Martin and Danny!) have made. It is very darn close to the original one:

Pokemon (18)
2x Zapdos EX
2x Rayquaza EX (DX)
4x Voltorb (Recharge)
4x Electrode EX
2x Slugma
2x Magcargo

Energy (17)
11x Lightning Energy
6x Fire Energy

Trainer (25)
2X Claw Fossil
4x TV
2x Steven’s Advice
3x Dual Ball
3x Pokeball
3x Rocket's Mission
3x Pokemon Reversal
3x Pow Hand Extension
3x Rocket’s Admin
1x Warp Point

GL