Importance of decklist breeds netdeckers

[Swordfish1989]

^Exactly.. I believe anyone can do whatever they want in this game that makes them happy. I prefer to use tried and tested lists, but I don't think that's the only way to play. Playing rogue decks can be fun too; I'm just not that good at building them.

Vaporeon just holds the attitude that their way is the best way and that makes them better than you or me and that bugs me. There is no true best way, there's only the way which makes you happier.

 

[amphy#1]

^Exactly.. I believe anyone can do whatever they want in this game that makes them happy. I prefer to use tried and tested lists, but I don't think that's the only way to play. Playing rogue decks can be fun too; I'm just not that good at building them.

Vaporeon just holds the attitude that their way is the best way and that makes them better than you or me and that bugs me. There is no true best way, there's only the way which makes you happier.

Now look. When did he say that he was better that any of you? I know that he prefers to make his own decks and stuff, but does that put him over you? No. Look at your attitude dude. You and Mewbern are forcing your agenda down our throats trying to prove yourselves, trying look better.

I remember in one of his erlier posts, that he said he can do both. Which means that he's not totally for one side either.. Why do guys want to continue to go after him like that?

And to Vaporeon: you're not gonig to convince these guys whatsoever, because they are pretty thickheaded in my opinion. So just stop arguing all together. It's getting all of us nowhere.

Oh, my previous 2 posts was an example of what a troll is, and should be. Don't mistake it as me bashing anyone, and don't take it personally. It was more for fun than anything else. (it was pretty funny :lol Ignore it if you want.

 

[baby mario]

Now look. When did he say that he was better that any of you?

Read his posts Amphy.

if I won using Luxchomp. It's not my work and what feels even worse is getting compensated for work that was not even mine. If you ask me, that's lower than dirt.

Basically calling people who win with Luxchomp 'lower than dirt'.

 

[Swordfish1989]

Now look. When did he say that he was better that any of you? I know that he prefers to make his own decks and stuff, but does that put him over you? No. Look at your attitude dude. You and Mewbern are forcing your agenda down our throats trying to prove yourselves, trying look better.

Did you even bother reading his posts? He asserts his opinion like it's fact, he calls wins that are made by non-rogue decks not real wins. He's putting netdeckers down, and when you put someone down you're putting yourself above that.

And what 'agenda' are we forcing down? That people should be allowed to do what they want as long as they're happy? Gee, that's so horrible! Proposing that everyone just do what they like and that no one is better than anyone else. We are awful people.

And to Vaporeon: you're not gonig to convince these guys whatsoever, because they are pretty thickheaded in my opinion. So just stop arguing all together. It's getting all of us nowhere.

Thickheaded, really? He's the one that says rogue is best and I'M the one that's thickheaded? Yeah, ok... lol. I think if anyone here is close-minded it's you. All I'm proposing is that everyone understand that no one way is better than the other. Boy do I sound thickheaded, like a real stubborn mule *rolls eyes*


Oh and here, I'll hand you some nice "Look at how much of a better person I am than you quotes"

It's whatever. I do well with the decks I make anyway. Have fun ruining the game...

^ You can't be the best if you can't think for yourself.

A person like me would beat you every time because of that.

But yes, you're right, WE are the ones who are hard-headed and 'mean'. Not the person who swears by rogue.

 

[amphy#1]

Read his posts Amphy.



Basically calling people who win with Luxchomp 'lower than dirt'.

Ok, that was a low blow for him to say that. There are times when some of us felt that same way too. Especialy in this format. It's been so boring and stupid. The same things keep winning over, and over again. They keep bringing out new sets hoping to mix it up, but to no avail. I don't really balme him for how he feels right now. That doesn't mean that I agree with him. I just feel his pain a little bit.

 

[vaporeon]

No.

- They both take advantage of the SP engine
- They can both take advantage of DCE, and Garchomp can utilize lightning energy
- They can both choose which of the opponents Pokémon to damage
- They are both disruptive, Luxray can pull out hard-to-retreat Pokémon or future attackers, while Garchomp can snipe them
- They are both good cards (yes, it has been proven time and time again that in PTCG this is in fact a synergy in itself)

If you didn't read the definition I posted then I suggest you do it. It explains what synergy is, and if you don't understand the synergy between Luxray and Garchomp then you simply don't understand the meaning of synergy at all.

I did read it and the hard definition seems to be "working together" or "Stronger together then alone".

Those are good points there and I agree with them. That is synergy. They are stronger together. The only reason they are strong IS because of SP. The deck was around for 5, get it 5 sets before DCE was released. DCE just made the deck a turn faster. Pidgeot can use DCE and a lightning energy, so can other colorless Pokemon. And they are just good is not a good point.

What I'm trying to get at is they don't depend on each other to work. The deck does not stop if Luxray or Garchomp is prized like the ones I listed above.

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Read his posts Amphy.



Basically calling people who win with Luxchomp 'lower than dirt'.

I never said I was better then anyone. I said that if I won with anything I did not make would make me feel lower then dirt. Sorry for the way it was worded.

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Did you even bother reading his posts? He asserts his opinion like it's fact, he calls wins that are made by non-rogue decks not real wins. He's putting netdeckers down, and when you put someone down you're putting yourself above that.

And what 'agenda' are we forcing down? That people should be allowed to do what they want as long as they're happy? Gee, that's so horrible! Proposing that everyone just do what they like and that no one is better than anyone else. We are awful people.



Thickheaded, really? He's the one that says rogue is best and I'M the one that's thickheaded? Yeah, ok... lol. I think if anyone here is close-minded it's you. All I'm proposing is that everyone understand that no one way is better than the other. Boy do I sound thickheaded, like a real stubborn mule *rolls eyes*


Oh and here, I'll hand you some nice "Look at how much of a better person I am than you quotes"





But yes, you're right, WE are the ones who are hard-headed and 'mean'. Not the person who swears by rogue.

We're all a bit stubborn on this. Like I said before, I CAN play meta. I choose not to because thats not how I want to win. I want to show the game is about so much more then copy and paste decks. I'm not saying one way is bad or good but there are so many good options in HGSS other then Zekrom. Look at the last format and the start of this one. Everyone wants to play donk at battle roads. Why, because they want to win and you don't see that as wrong? Everyone should play to win but it's how you go about it that makes you a great player.

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you should go back a page or 2, and click the link to sirlin's article "play to win" and read the entire thing.
its not about 2 different opinions/viewpoints.

its about how vaporeon's belief of "netdexing is baddddd" is holding him back as a player.
what he doesnt understand is the need for utilizing BOTH methods, and determining which one is the best play: playing rogue, or using the "bdif" (of your choice)

i've won major events playing rogue. ive won major events playing "bdif". i choose which one i believe to be the best play at the time.
vaporeon isnt holding an opinion, hes being stubborn and close-minded, therefore rendering him an eternal scrub.

Stubborn, maybe. I strongly believe in originally as an artist. Ideas will cross and there is no way to stop that. Close minded, far from that you'll ever be. Take this from the Eternal Scrub. I think, and I use this VERY loosely but, I think the scrubs are the one who netdeck.

 

[amphy#1]

Did you even bother reading his posts? He asserts his opinion like it's fact, he calls wins that are made by non-rogue decks not real wins. He's putting netdeckers down, and when you put someone down you're putting yourself above that.

And what 'agenda' are we forcing down? That people should be allowed to do what they want as long as they're happy? Gee, that's so horrible! Proposing that everyone just do what they like and that no one is better than anyone else. We are awful people.

Well, I have no problem with your "agenda". I have a problem with you agreeing with the other people who are on the other side. You mabee saying that it doesn't matter what you do, but everytime you fire back at him it's like the opposite.

Thickheaded, really? He's the one that says rogue is best and I'M the one that's thickheaded? Yeah, ok... lol. I think if anyone here is close-minded it's you. All I'm proposing is that everyone understand that no one way is better than the other. Boy do I sound thickheaded, like a real stubborn mule *rolls eyes*

Close-minded, really? I'm not on either side. As a matter of fact, I agree with you to some point. I don't agree with him, but I do see where he's comming from. All I'm proposing is that you feel his pain a bit, that's all. You don't have to agree with him, or get pissed off if he says something stupid. Just be the bigger man and explain your points calmly without getting your panties in a bunch. Boy do I sound close-minded , like a real stubborn mule.

Oh and here, I'll hand you some nice "Look at how much of a better person I am than you quotes"

Well yeah they're pretty bad, but you've got to remember that you guys aren't inocent either.


But yes, you're right, WE are the ones who are hard-headed and 'mean'. Not the person who swears by rogue.

Both of you have taken shots at each other. And you've taken some shots at me too. (which I think is funny :lol Man, all of this over a kids card game. Seams like we're all a little hard-headded.

---------- Post added 05/11/2011 at 12:59 PM ----------

I did read it and the hard definition seems to be "working together" or "Stronger together then alone".

Those are good points there and I agree with them. That is synergy. They are stronger together. The only reason they are strong IS because of SP. The deck was around for 5, get it 5 sets before DCE was released. DCE just made the deck a turn faster. Pidgeot can use DCE and a lightning energy, so can other colorless Pokemon. And they are just good is not a good point.

What I'm trying to get at is they don't depend on each other to work. The deck does not stop if Luxray or Garchomp is prized like the ones I listed above.

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I never said I was better then anyone. I said that if I won with anything I did not make would make me feel lower then dirt. Sorry for the way it was worded.

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We're all a bit stubborn on this. Like I said before, I CAN play meta. I choose not to because thats not how I want to win. I want to show the game is about so much more then copy and paste decks. I'm not saying one way is bad or good but there are so many good options in HGSS other then Zekrom. Look at the last format and the start of this one. Everyone wants to play donk at battle roads. Why, because they want to win and you don't see that as wrong? Everyone should play to win but it's how you go about it that makes you a great player.

Actually, everyone wants to play Sabledonk, because they want TCPI to change the format before nats. It doesn't matter If they win BR's, they have no real value whatsoever. It's just a fun event to show off some decks. I do agree with your last sentence though.
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Stubborn, maybe. I strongly believe in originally as an artist. Ideas will cross and there is no way to stop that. Close minded, far from that you'll ever be. Take this from the Eternal Scrub. I think, and I use this VERY loosely but, I think the scrubs are the one who netdeck.

No!!! :frown: Don't call them scrubs!! Dang man, I'm trying to pull your butt out of the fire, and you just jumped right back in!! :nonono: I can't keep defending you like this if you're going to pull crap like this.

 

[Tagrineth]

You know what? the only one I see trolling on here is you Tagrineth. You've been the one bashing people on here, not Vaporeon. He may have some crazy points, but that's not trolling.

I really like how you be little others to make yourself look big, or to sound like your right, (when you're not.) If you want a troll, I'll show you a troll. :lol:

You are like a bubble gum rapper that I just spit my gum back into, after chewing it for 5 hours. Only to get trown away in the end, because I'm finally done with you, and you sir, deserve to be in a trash can. :lol:

See, I'm the king of trolls, and you sir, just got your butt handed to you on a platter. :lol:

Now that's trolling!! :biggrin:

You don't even know what trolling is based on this post. Protip: it doesn't require being insulting at all.

Am I the nicest forum poster you'll ever meet? Not by a long shot, really. But am I trolling? Heck no, I've been legitimately voicing my opinion. I don't care if I get a rise out of anyone except when I see someone who is closing themselves off to all discussion and not even conceding points... which usually means the person is either 1. genuinely stubborn as a mule or 2. trolling.

 

[vaporeon]

Amphy, sorry but I don't need anyone to defend me. I'm just trying to make a point.

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You don't even know what trolling is based on this post. Protip: it doesn't require being insulting at all.

Am I the nicest forum poster you'll ever meet? Not by a long shot, really. But am I trolling? Heck no, I've been legitimately voicing my opinion. I don't care if I get a rise out of anyone except when I see someone who is closing themselves off to all discussion and not even conceding points... which usually means the person is either 1. genuinely stubborn as a mule or 2. trolling.

No one is trolling here. Seems the word 'troll' gets thrown around when people don't like whats being said. I'm explaining why netdecking is unhealthy for the game, some of you are explaining why it is for the game, others are throwing the like from silrlin around and calling people scrubs.

 

[sToRm07]

obnoxious thread is obnoxious

 

[cabd]

obnoxious thread is obnoxious

I actually believe this is healthy. All this stuff was brewing underneath anyways. As most trained psychologists would argue, it's better to get this out in the open and see other people's viewpoints too.

 

[Dongley]

I actually believe this is healthy. All this stuff was brewing underneath anyways. As most trained psychologists would argue, it's better to get this out in the open and see other people's viewpoints too.

Wise post is wise(And right!).

@Mewbreon & Vaporeon: Honestly I see your butting of heads as a huge misunderstanding. Two experienced players who have upset the other greatly. Time for the aggression to end. I mean hell, this is Pokemon.. A child's cardgame.

@Amphy: Tons of respect towards you, though as cabd said this is all necessary.

@Tagrineth: Man.. We all are stubborn here. There has been no real troll that I've seen.


My opinion on topic:
Secrecy and Originality on builds helps singular people win at this game.
Net decking gets vague lists up that easily can be edited so people can know what to look out for and learn.

Both ways have pluses.

Also, being able to do Meta and Rogue are all nice and dandy... But it depends on the person.. Whether we like it or not.. Who really cares? No one else usually cares about our opinions. If you like Rogue play red face powder, if you like Meta play Meta... And if you like them both Switch it up. Whether you are an Artistic player or one who wants Winning statistics... Lets all just play the game and kick the living crap out each other that way than verbally against each other.

GL HF Enjoy the card game Made for children. I know I will.. Its fun and is nostalgic.

Dongley over and out.

 

[amphy#1]

You don't even know what trolling is based on this post. Protip: it doesn't require being insulting at all.

Am I the nicest forum poster you'll ever meet? Not by a long shot, really. But am I trolling? Heck no, I've been legitimately voicing my opinion. I don't care if I get a rise out of anyone except when I see someone who is closing themselves off to all discussion and not even conceding points... which usually means the person is either 1. genuinely stubborn as a mule or 2. trolling.

Really? I don't know what trolling is? :lol: You calling someone who is voicing their opinion calmly a troll? Just because they don't agree with you doesn't make them the villan.

Yeah, you got that right. Not by a long shot :lol: Actually, by your own standards, you are a troll. Dude, that's nasty if your trying to get a rise on here.

So what is your definition of trolling? Let's here it Obe- wan, teach us the ways of the force why doncha.

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Amphy, sorry but I don't need anyone to defend me. I'm just trying to make a point.

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No one is trolling here. Seems the word 'troll' gets thrown around when people don't like whats being said. I'm explaining why netdecking is unhealthy for the game, some of you are explaining why it is for the game, others are throwing the like from silrlin around and calling people scrubs.

Ok, Hey guys!! He's all yours!! Sick em boys!! :lol:

---------- Post added 05/11/2011 at 04:30 PM ----------

Wise post is wise(And right!).

@Mewbreon & Vaporeon: Honestly I see your butting of heads as a huge misunderstanding. Two experienced players who have upset the other greatly. Time for the aggression to end. I mean hell, this is Pokemon.. A child's cardgame.

@Amphy: Tons of respect towards you, though as cabd said this is all necessary.

@Tagrineth: Man.. We all are stubborn here. There has been no real troll that I've seen.


My opinion on topic:
Secrecy and Originality on builds helps singular people win at this game.
Net decking gets vague lists up that easily can be edited so people can know what to look out for and learn.

Both ways have pluses.

Also, being able to do Meta and Rogue are all nice and dandy... But it depends on the person.. Whether we like it or not.. Who really cares? No one else usually cares about our opinions. If you like Rogue play red face powder, if you like Meta play Meta... And if you like them both Switch it up. Whether you are an Artistic player or one who wants Winning statistics... Lets all just play the game and kick the living crap out each other that way than verbally against each other.

GL HF Enjoy the card game Made for children. I know I will.. Its fun and is nostalgic.

Dongley over and out.

The most sense I've herd all day. Thanks captian. This is Admiral Amphy#1. Mission cleared cadets. We can go home!! (flies of into the sunset) :thumb:

 

[Lucksray]

^No way this guy is a Judge/TO/League Leader...

 

[mewbreon]

@Mewbreon & Vaporeon: Honestly I see your butting of heads as a huge misunderstanding. Two experienced players who have upset the other greatly. Time for the aggression to end. I mean hell, this is Pokemon.

Lol alright alright. I'm outy

^No way this guy is a Judge/TO/League Leader...

Hahahahah.....

 

[Forte]

^No way this guy is a Judge/TO/League Leader...

Or maybe he is just super mega hyper

 

[vaporeon]

^No way this guy is a Judge/TO/League Leader...

Was that even needed? If I were a TO, I would do rogue tournaments for 2 weeks out of the month.

 

[Lucksray]

When one thinks of a judge, or league leader, or a TO, don't they think of someone who is mature, calm, impartial, ect.

You come off as none of those. The fact that you had to calm yourself down mid-post is kinda weird to me. Not a very grown up quality. That and trying to come off like you can do something about the fact that people can get a rise out of you from simply questioning your "credentials". Of course I question them! I don't know any other person in a position of control of this game, even on a local/small scale, who has brought this much drama into a silly pokemon thread.

Unless your tone comes through my screen completely differently than you want it to, I suggest you take a step back and read what you have written and ask yourself why some random person would make a comment like I did.

Hate to ruin the discussion....it was so valuable...

 

[Tagrineth]

Really? I don't know what trolling is? :lol: You calling someone who is voicing their opinion calmly a troll? Just because they don't agree with you doesn't make them the villan.

Yeah, you got that right. Not by a long shot :lol: Actually, by your own standards, you are a troll. Dude, that's nasty if your trying to get a rise on here.

So what is your definition of trolling? Let's here it Obe- wan, teach us the ways of the force why doncha.

Again, being calm vs. being rude has nothing to do with trolling. There's tons of resources out there, go look it up yourself.

 

[Dongley]

Lucksray... Now you are the one who is going to make me take back the no one here is trolling comment. I'd love to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are just a troll.. But if not then you are just a *****. I'd rather you be nicer to Amphy. Your initial statement was uncalled for and rude, so all anger towards you was deserved and probably continue to be that way.

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