Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Importance of decklist breeds netdeckers

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So being right makes you a troll?

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amphy#1 said:
You're right about them being SP and them using the engine, and a lot of trainers. But I'm sorry, you are wrong about them not having synergy.

See, Garchomp snipes off potential problems before they happen. And Luxchomp's power brings up potential problems, or weak Pokemon and get prizes.

The goal of the deck is to disrupt you from doing anything that you want to do. Both of them disrupt you in different ways, but they still disrupt you. That's there synergy.
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The deck works because all the Pokemon were basic, as well as having powerful X cards a basic. The deck also had room to tech against any threat which not all or any deck could do.

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mewbreon said:
whether or not lux and chomp had synergy is a pointless argument.
the fact is that it was an amazing deck.
end of argument.
to belittle its worth is ignorant
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Yeah, the deck was good which proves that synergy is not always the case. I'm not belittling the deck at all. When people say so and so can't work because there is no synergy, I'm going to say something about it.

Luxchomp was consistent, had room for any tech and had an engine available to it that no other deck could use, and it had Power Spray. That's what made it a really good deck. The X cards were the icing on the cake.
 
If I'm wrong about you being a troll, then I'm right about you being totally oblivious to the function of cards. If you can't see how Luxray GL Lv. X and Garchomp C Lv. X have synergy, you suck.
 
I made you a list you said nothing about

Leafeon, Roserade and Mag
Zekrom, Shaymin and Pachi
Emboar and Reshiram
Gengar and Vileplume
Lugia, Blasetoise and Stealix
Flareon ex and Ariados
Zap-Turn-Dos
ZRE
Blaziken ex and Rayquaza ex
Gardevoir and Gallade
Rock Lock

Those decks had synergy. Decks that have synergy depend on other pokemon to work. Leafeon NEEDS Roserade or Mag to work. Rayquaza ex NEEDS Blaziken to work, Lugia ex NEEDS Blastoise ex to work. Those decks NEED other pokemon to work. Garchomp C X and Luxray GL X DON'T need each other to work.
 
TheKing said:
^ I would like to see you make a deck with just garchomp or just luxray
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It can be done. What you don't seem to understand is Luxray and Garchomp don't depend on each other to work, they just do. I would like to see you play Leafeon with out Roserade or mag.
 
They don't. Leafeon can attack but takes 2 turns to do 50, if they don't wake up. Lugia ex needs 3 turn, even with holon's magnaton, Gengar can hope that the opponent does not play their hand, Zekrom can wait 3 turns as well.

Luxray can do what it does without Garchomp, Garchomp can do what it does without Luxray. They don't hold each other back to be effective. They work because they are basic pokemon behind a power engine that have other basic SP Pokemon as techs.
 
Last time I checked, the simple definition of synergy is 1+1 = 3.

Garchomp on its own has potential. Luxray on its own can be nice. But when you put the two together, you have a beast of a deck that has taken the metagame by storm. When was the last time you saw a deck do well that only had 1 of the two in it? Sounds like the definition of synergy to me.
 
The deck was also powerful because of the SP engine. Without that, they won't be too good. It would need to chance SSU flips like the rest of us and would be limited to non SP Trainers. The deck is just powerful because it could do everything.
 
You just completely ignored my point, though. When was the last time you saw a SUCCESSFUL deck that only ran Luxray as the main guy? You don't... when you put Garchomp and Luxray together you get the most widely played deck in the world. That's synergy, whether you agree with it or not; it fits the definition. It is what it is.
 
Swordfish1989 said:
You just completely ignored my point, though. When was the last time you saw a SUCCESSFUL deck that only ran Luxray as the main guy? You don't... when you put Garchomp and Luxray together you get the most widely played deck in the world. That's synergy, whether you agree with it or not; it fits the definition. It is what it is.
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Yep, I missed that. I have not seen them by themselves. It is what it is and it is pretty powerful but thats like saying Zoroark and Cinccino are good together. They do share some perks though like DCE and they are stage 1 Pokemon, but they share nothing in common. They each do their own thing, like Garchomp and Luxray. Garchomp and Luxray just have perks together that come with being SP.
 
vaporeon said:
Yep, I missed that. I have not seen them by themselves. It is what it is and it is pretty powerful but thats like saying Zoroark and Cinccino are good together. They do share some perks though like DCE and they are stage 1 Pokemon, but they share nothing in common. They each do their own thing, like Garchomp and Luxray. Garchomp and Luxray just have perks together that come with being SP.
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Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergy

Cinccino and Zoroark DO go well together, because they are both able attackers that take advantage of DCE. That's what synergy is all about.
 
I can agree with that but I already stated that but the don't offer anything to each other but I guess working with each other can work. Has just as much synergy as Vaporeon and Pidgeot though.
 
vaporeon said:
I can agree with that but I already stated that but the don't offer anything to each other but I guess working with each other can work. Has just as much synergy as Vaporeon and Pidgeot though.
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No.

- They both take advantage of the SP engine
- They can both take advantage of DCE, and Garchomp can utilize lightning energy
- They can both choose which of the opponents Pokémon to damage
- They are both disruptive, Luxray can pull out hard-to-retreat Pokémon or future attackers, while Garchomp can snipe them
- They are both good cards (yes, it has been proven time and time again that in PTCG this is in fact a synergy in itself)

If you didn't read the definition I posted then I suggest you do it. It explains what synergy is, and if you don't understand the synergy between Luxray and Garchomp then you simply don't understand the meaning of synergy at all.
 
:/ I honestly don't see Vaporeon as a troll.. I highly respect his standing for his own opinion. Especially when I agree with it for the most part. (Little different on Synergies, but.. -shrug-)
You can really work with any good combination.
Take the Muk/Victreebel deck I had made a while back. That is (as far as I know) an unknown combination that just got me laughed at when I walked into the league that day. I won every match I played. I do respect originality.

All the top deck lists are very good and well put-together. It just is dull going against the same thing over and over.

I like the concept of the pros keeping their deck builds to themselves. It leaves matches original and different. I think it would be fine to lay down what are popular and point out synergy here and there.. (Netdecking on a minor scale) So when you make your deck you'd know what to look out for and have some counters or think of a way to combat that. Know your strengths and weaknesses before you go into the fray. This is fun and everyone should know how to work with what they have.

Sorry if I seem to speak out of inexperience. I started back up 2 months ago after quitting during Basic- The first Gold/Silver set. I have done my research, I know 90% of the cards from HGSS on from memory now. So please take my words to consideration. Even if you don't agree, all I ask is that you hear me out.

All I really want to say is.. Pick a deck whether it is yours and original or some deck list you printed off from the internet. As long as you are enjoying playing it.. That is really all that matters. If you win. ****ing great. I am happy for you. I hope you enjoyed the game and were a good sport about it all. If you win, you rock. If you lose, learn what you did wrong.. Fix it and kick the winners *** next time! And that is all I have to say about that.
 
Tagrineth said:
...feeding the troll, guys. :3 This thread has run its course at this point, really. :\
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You know what? the only one I see trolling on here is you Tagrineth. You've been the one bashing people on here, not Vaporeon. He may have some crazy points, but that's not trolling.

I really like how you be little others to make yourself look big, or to sound like your right, (when you're not.) If you want a troll, I'll show you a troll. :lol:

You are like a bubble gum rapper that I just spit my gum back into, after chewing it for 5 hours. Only to get trown away in the end, because I'm finally done with you, and you sir, deserve to be in a trash can. :lol:

See, I'm the king of trolls, and you sir, just got your butt handed to you on a platter. :lol:

Now that's trolling!! :biggrin:
 
Rambo said:
The thing with this thread is, why do people think there can only be one viewpoint on the matter?
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you should go back a page or 2, and click the link to sirlin's article "play to win" and read the entire thing.
its not about 2 different opinions/viewpoints.

its about how vaporeon's belief of "netdexing is baddddd" is holding him back as a player.
what he doesnt understand is the need for utilizing BOTH methods, and determining which one is the best play: playing rogue, or using the "bdif" (of your choice)

i've won major events playing rogue. ive won major events playing "bdif". i choose which one i believe to be the best play at the time.
vaporeon isnt holding an opinion, hes being stubborn and close-minded, therefore rendering him an eternal scrub.
 
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