Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Importance of decklist breeds netdeckers

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^ It's comments like this that hurt me the most. Another thing that pisses me off are the people linking to us and calling us noobs because of how we think the game should be played. Amphy is right, there is nothing wrong with winning but it's how you go about it that makes you a true winner. It would not feel like a win to me if I won using Luxchomp. So then who's work was it? Only the very first person (or people) who designed Luxchomp in the first place? What about the people who took the concept and innovated it into the deck it is today? Do they get no credit?It's not my work and what feels even worse is getting compensated for work that was not even mine. If you ask me, that's lower than dirt. That's ridiculously rude. How much SOTG are you showing right now? I won Regionals with a someone else's list. It was not mine in the least and never did I give my self credit for the list being mine. HOWEVER I did give my self credit for carrying said list through 11 rounds, in this case, I was being compensated for my skill. I didn't pick this deck up the day before the event. I took the list and tried out cards, tweaked it, but in the end, the initial list was simply as good as it could get.A win with your own deck on the other hand feels great. I'll give you that, I does feel great. It feels like a victory for your self than a victory for the deck You put your hard work LAST TIME I CHECKED actually winning the event is hard work. Deck building is perhaps even more difficult than the event it's self to use, won and got awarded. Might be the reason I win every pre release tournament I go to.

You call it ego boasting. I call it an honest win. I made it to the finals of a tournament with a deck people from the gym said would not work. Even my friend said it won't work. You should have seen the TOs look on his face. He said to me I have never seen a build like this work te way it did. That made me feel good. A TO at a Yugioh Tournament wanted to write and article on the deck I play because only 2 deck types were being played. I might not win every tournament I play in but I get the respect of the players I play with and that's more important than a win to me.

oh but thats where you are wrong, my friend. 2 (or maybe 3) seasons ago i won a states and got 3rd at regionals playing rogue. and it was VERY rogue. (and how the heck would you even know in the FIRST place to make such a FORWARD assumption like that?

this is what im trying to tell you. i create NO box for myself. i do what i believe to be the most intelligent play. I do the same. I don't think its right for people from either side (rogue or archetype) to bash each other. Neither side is breaking any rules, both sides are happy (?). People who do not limit themselves and always play the BDIF FOR THEM are the people who are truly playing to win.
and yes, last season, luxchomp was that for me. and no, i did not feel "lower than dirt". 3 of the games of nats that season were mirror matches (other luxchompers). i won all 3 of them. and i had a LOT of fun doing it (and so did my opponent... they were great games that required much skill, thought, and careful decisions-- as most mirror matches do). we shook hands after, laughed, and showed SOTG. as i always try to. (even if i lose)
Replys in bold.

Why does someone always have to be wrong. I really don't get it.
 
Edit:Decided to move my giant message to its own thread. In addition to taking up nearly the full page, it veers off to deal with some personal opinion as well about things that don't deal strictly with netdecking.
 
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At the sametime there is no real synergy between Garchomp C X and Luxray GL X yet it work. Just 2 different Pokemon doing different things.

Wait, you don't see the synergy between Chomp and Luxray?

You preach people thinking for themselves and designing decks, yet you can't see the incredibly blatant synergy between those two cards?

Now you're either outright trolling or... >_>;

I think I'm done with this crap. You have no clue what you're doing or talking about.


edit: And Amphy#1: Why should you do all that work when others can "easymode" so to speak and use someone else's ideas/list? Maybe because you enjoy doing so? I dunno about you but I enjoy trying new ideas and fooling around with cards/combos that people don't play. That's enough for me! Will I come up with Tomorrow's Big Deck? Maybe. I've done it before (to an extent). It feels pretty good. But so does winning with someone else's Tomorrow's Big Deck. It's all different facets of the same experience.
 
The only synergy I see is that are both SP. That's it, with a lot of techs on a SP engine.

Luxray does 30 damage to a benched Pokemon. Garchomo heals all SP Pokemon.

Also. Garchomp snipes but is sort of frail. Luxray's power brings up non-attacking Pokemon that cannot kill garchomp.

So, two very obvious layers of synergy there.
 
And Luxray can bring up high retreat cost Pokemon and then have Garchomp snipe the bench while the opponent scrambles to attach energies, find their warp energy, or warp points (if they even run any)
 
Luxray GL Lv.X and Garchomp C Lv.X have a lot of synergy.

  • Garchomp can abuse any type of energy. This is why it seems more use in SP decks than Luxray near the end of the season.
  • Both of them can manipulate the opponent's Bench in some fashion, either though pulling up a Pokemon with Luxray GL Lv.X's Poke-Power or through Sniping the benched Pokemon with Garchomp C Lv.X's second attack.
  • Garchomp C lv.X's Poke-Power can heal any SP Pokemon fully. This comes in use if you need to attack with Luxray GL Lv.X's attack often, that damages one of your own benched Pokemon by 30 damage.
  • Both Garchomp C Lv.X and Luxray GL Lv.X have free retreat. This makes it easy to level either up and free retreat for another attacker, meaning that you can take large advantage of both Pokemon's Poke-Powers with very little consequences.
  • Both SP Pokemon can take advantage of the SP suite of trainers, supporters, and stadiums.
  • Both Garchomp C and Luxray GL can abuse DCE as the only energy card on it to power an attack (bite on Luxray GL, Claw Swipe on Garchomp C). Even without Energy Gain.
 
Only ONE of Prime's points has anything to do with them being SP.

Vapoeon/Pidgeot has no synergy. It's just two sub-par evolutions in the same deck.
 
The only synergy I see is that are both SP. That's it, with a lot of techs on a SP engine.

Everyone can talk until their blue in the face, and you probably won't even be fazed.

Don't take this as me being harsh - I have been where you are right now. Being stubborn and unwilling to listen to experienced players only makes you go backwards in your skill level at this game...

Find a friend, league acquaintance, proxy, whatever, and actually play against a Luxchomp deck. Then you will realize the synergy man. Heck, even play GOOD players with next format competitive decks like Emboar/Reshiram, Speed Zekrom, Donphan/Yanmega, and see what the real competition to outplay is going to be. Hopefully your eyes will be opened then - like mine were when I finally got the actual experience.
 
We haven't seen many decks like Lugia/Blastoise/Steelix in a while. Part of that, I think, is SP's fault with being so quick and it being hard to setup multiple stage 2s in a format dominated by basics.

Those older decks were combo-rific, but just because newer decks don't piece together to make this amazing combo doesn't mean there isn't any synergy.

I think Machamp/Vileplume had a lot of synergy, even if just the fact that both cards had an advantage over SP and the combination of them was seen in a SP-dominated format.

Thinking back a format or two, Gardevior/Dusknoir didn't have much synergy outside of the basic fact that they could both use psychic energy. But the way they worked together, stopping the opponent's Poke-Powers while limiting their bench, it was a very neat deck.

Let's not mix up obvious uses with synergy. A Pokemon spreading damage and another taking advantage of damage on the opponent is an obvious use. Reshiram and Typhlosion Prime is an obvious use. Synergy comes about when there isn't a obvious combo with it and it's more a combination of 'Pros' with not too many 'Cons' with elements from both cards that work together.

Machamp DP/Lucario DP, yes everyone hated Mario, but I was a proponent for it since the initial tournament use of it. It had a ton of synergy. The basics of both Pokemon took extreme advantage over the Castform-delta-dominance of the format. While Lucario could do average damage to the active and spread 20s on the bench, machamp could clean up with a Revenge for 70 after Lucario got knocked out and more with it's second attack and plus powers. There was no combo, and I think a lot of players disliked it because of this, but I feel, looking back now, it was a precursor to the type of decks we see in this format.
 
The deck is not for this format. Don't speak ill of what you don't know.

It isn't "for" any format. Those cards are both bad on their own, Pidgeot slightly less so, and they do nothing special together. I don't care what you have done with those two cards-- the deck is going to be bad.

You want to spread? Okay. Look at Feraligatr. It does 20 to everything your opponent has in play for WCC (DCE compatible) and has 130 HP plus a Rain Dance partner/clean-up hitter in the Prime. Vaporeon does 30 to 2 things for WWC, no real assistance from the Eeveelutions in the HGSS-on card pool, and has a frail 90 HP. You can't tell me that Vaporeon is the best spreader out there even among other water types available. I'm not even mentioning Tyranitar Prime, the best of all the HGSS-on spreaders. Why are you playing Vaporeon then? Because you like Vaporeon and you're too stubborn to actually play good Pokemon? Fine, but again, don't look down on the players with good decks who run over you and your inferior non-synergistic rogue creation.

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On netdecking: it can be very good for testing. For example, Fulop posted a Jumpluff list on the Gym last year that provided the template for most of the other successful Jumpluff lists that would be used over the rest of the season. Why would someone ignore that great resource when he or she could instead take the list, perhaps tweak it a bit and then add it to his or her library of decks to test AGAINST? It is important to test against not only the best decks, but also the best lists for those decks. If someone gives out a great list, why not "netdeck" it over to Redshark, Apprentice or even real life and get some valuable experience in against it?
 
Leafeon, Roserade and Mag
Zekrom, Shaymin and Pachi
Emboar and Reshiram
Gengar and Vileplume
Lugia, Blasetoise and Stealix
Flareon ex and Ariados
Zap-Turn-Dos
ZRE
Blaziken ex and Rayquaza ex
Gardevoir and Gallade
Rock Lock

and a few other. These decks have synergy. Luxray GL X and Garchomp C X are just powerful basic pokemon WITH a lot of techs in the deck to help them out. It's the SP engine that makes them good.
 
I just tested a Luxchomp vs. HGSS on decks without the Cyrus engine. If you are seriuosly convinced it isn't good without that, ha. It can still work.
 
I just tested a Luxchomp vs. HGSS on decks without the Cyrus engine. If you are seriuosly convinced it isn't good without that, ha. It can still work.

It's still good but Luxchomp is fast in a slower format. Everything is basic so they can use things like revive, junk arm, pokemon comp and such cards because they have more deck space to do so.
 
It's still good but Luxchomp is fast in a slower format. Everything is basic so they can use things like revive, junk arm, pokemon comp and such cards because they have more deck space to do so.

You're right about them being SP and them using the engine, and a lot of trainers. But I'm sorry, you are wrong about them not having synergy.

See, Garchomp snipes off potential problems before they happen. And Luxchomp's power brings up potential problems, or weak Pokemon and get prizes.

The goal of the deck is to disrupt you from doing anything that you want to do. Both of them disrupt you in different ways, but they still disrupt you. That's there synergy.
 
whether or not lux and chomp had synergy is a pointless argument.
the fact is that it was an amazing deck.
end of argument.
to belittle its worth is ignorant
 
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