Mewtwo, Darkrai, Rayqauza EX ALL to be tin Promos in Fall

[dancingaway]

So, to sum up:
- Yes, they are coming in tins
- They're not coming before Nats and Worlds so expect prices to stay the same
- Some people may or may not be liers but i don't really care

I just spent $90 on 2 Darkrais. After reading this entire thread. Why? I want to play Darkrai and $90 was the cheapest i found for a pair.

We done now?

 

[Ditto]

So, to sum up:
- Yes, they are coming in tins

Lol, still rumor. 9_9

 

[FunnyBear]

Not really. There's still Nationals and Worlds before the tins are released, so there's still time for people to unload them for good prices.

Unless you need them for these tournaments. Its disappointing that Pokemon chooses to make the best cards superrare and issue them as tins after the serious player base has just spent $300 to build their decks. It shows a disrespect for the player base and is more the sort of thing I'd expect from Yugioh than Pokemon.

Edit: if true

 

[eclipse116]

Maybe there's a chance we'll get the alternate art Rayquaza/GiratinaEX FA promos(?) in a tin set of two? Dragon tins to go with the set theme?

 

[peadawg14]

Unless you need them for these tournaments. Its disappointing that Pokemon chooses to make the best cards superrare and issue them as tins after the serious player base has just spent $300 to build their decks. It shows a disrespect for the player base and is more the sort of thing I'd expect from Yugioh than Pokemon.

Edit: if true

1. So only "the serious player base" forks out that money? Is Esa, who said in his article on thedeckout that he borrowed all his Darkrais, Mewtwo, and Tornadus, not a part of "the serious player base"? That remark was a little condescending if you ask me.

2. Cry me a river. It makes the 2 best cards in the format accessible to everyone at a cheaper price. Some players (like me) can't afford to fork out $60 for a piece of cardboard. It'll be nice not having to scramble at tournaments to borrow Mewtwo and Darkrai.

 

[immewnity]

How is it that people don't think PokeCollection looks to be totally discredited after ExoByte's post?

Consider a potential situation at tPCI. This information gets leaked, they have a few possible reactions which include:

1) Being deeply concerned that someone in house is giving out this information
2) Jumping onto the 'gym in order to try and discredit someone who has factual information before they should

These two possibilities aren't mutually exclusive. The first one solves the problem in the long run. The second one damages PokeCollection's credibility in the short run, but if they had good information, ExoByte looks bad from the date of the tin release forward. While he hasn't said these won't be the tins, disavowing this connection (use whatever terms you like to try and be technical here) is a signal to us that PokeCollection can't be regarded as reliable. Like he said, why would they announce it to PokeCollection before putting it on their own website?

In the end, the images of the packs from the next set tell me one thing: PokeCollection has at least some reliable information. Nobody can argue that those packs aren't going to be from the next set. They aren't photoshoped. For me, if that part of the information is true, then there is a very decent chance the other part of the information is true.

What was Exobyte supposed to say?

If he confirms the releases, he goes against the most likely 'Non-disclosure agreement' that is set up within the company. If he says the items are fake, and the items do get released, it makes him look bad. The only logical route he has is to apply reasonable doubt without saying for sure if the items are fake or real.

Something that Exobyte said was true, though. You can't trust everything you hear on the internet. If a site claims to be 'in partnership' with TPCi, you have to take it with a grain of salt, with a fair layer of doubt, unless TPCi states it themselves.

Regardless of whether PokeCollection is in partnership with TPCi, I believe the packs to be 100% real and I believe the rest of PokeCollection's information to be based in the realm of truth. Perhaps the tins won't be called "Dragon Tins", per Exobyte's comment about Darkrai and Mewtwo not being dragons, but I do think it's likely they will be in tins this fall. Each card represents (one of) the best card in the set it originates from, and would be a great way to represent a tin based on a set. Instead of random packs from other sets, the tins could have packs just from that set. So, the Darkrai EX tin (speculation here) would come with just Dark Explorer packs. Thus, some bit of truth to the story.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that Asad and Dylan have gotten in contact and either have or currently are resolving this issue. I don't believe there has to be any more discussion on that.

 

[Vinsanity]

Waaaaah, I can't afford the (arguably) best cards in the format.

You're telling people to "Cry me a River" while that's exactly what you are doing!

 

[peadawg14]

Waaaaah, I can't afford the (arguably) best cards in the format.

You're telling people to "Cry me a River" while that's exactly what you are doing!

Touché :smile:. I just don't see what's wrong with pokemon making the best cards in the format available to more players. They'll make so much money of of these tins also...money won't be going to T&T as much.

My main problem with FunnyBear's comment was his/her snoody remark about "the serious player base".

 

[Piplup9977]

Does Japan do this too with tins? Just curious.

 

[Raen]

Does Japan do this too with tins? Just curious.

They do it with theme decks, actually. Japan tends to get the majority of highly competitive (ok, well, maybe not the majority, but a LOT more than us) cards in box sets or theme decks.

 

[bullados]

They didn't get Mewtwo, but they got the R@m EXs in PCDs before set launch...

 

[FunnyBear]

Touché :smile:. I just don't see what's wrong with pokemon making the best cards in the format available to more players. They'll make so much money of of these tins also...money won't be going to T&T as much.

My main problem with FunnyBear's comment was his/her snoody remark about "the serious player base".

I don't know what "snoody" means, but if you are serious about playing to win, you will need to be able to play top tier decks. Mewtwo was a necessity up through Regionals. Darkrai was your best chance to win BRs. Nats is TBD. To be able to build these decks costs a lot of money, and the decks should not become worthless after Nats. It is an insult the the people that invested in them. This sort of thing happens in other card games, but I've come to expect better of TPCi. We'll wait and see.

 

[TheRolesWePlay]

I don't know what "snoody" means, but if you are serious about playing to win, you will need to be able to play top tier decks. Mewtwo was a necessity up through Regionals. Darkrai was your best chance to win BRs. Nats is TBD. To be able to build these decks costs a lot of money, and the decks should not become worthless after Nats. It is an insult the the people that invested in them. This sort of thing happens in other card games, but I've come to expect better of TPCi. We'll wait and see.

Playing seriously =/= playing popular decks, or even known decks for that matter. Being aware of them is important sure, but it isn't mandatory to play top tier decks or cards. ie. Gyrados and Truth.

Additionally, how is it 'an insult' if a deck becomes worthless after a big tournament? Rotation and new sets do this to begin with, and cards like Mewtwo and Darkrai becoming Tin Promos is no different in that regard.

 

[QD4U]

I don't know what "snoody" means, but if you are serious about playing to win, you will need to be able to play top tier decks. Mewtwo was a necessity up through Regionals. Darkrai was your best chance to win BRs. Nats is TBD. To be able to build these decks costs a lot of money, and the decks should not become worthless after Nats. It is an insult the the people that invested in them. This sort of thing happens in other card games, but I've come to expect better of TPCi. We'll wait and see.

Oh boo hoo, you spent a fortune on Pokémon cards and now you're mad because everyone else is gonna be able to get them much cheaper than you did.
This is a good thing for the game, it will make the game more fair for everyone, Pokémon will make even more money than before, and everyone will be happy! Well, except you of course. :lol:
^ this is all assuming they do get tinned of course

 

[peadawg14]

I don't know what "snoody" means, but if you are serious about playing to win, you will need to be able to play top tier decks. Mewtwo was a necessity up through Regionals. Darkrai was your best chance to win BRs. Nats is TBD. To be able to build these decks costs a lot of money, and the decks should not become worthless after Nats. It is an insult the the people that invested in them. This sort of thing happens in other card games, but I've come to expect better of TPCi. We'll wait and see.

Are rotations also insults?

BTW, "snoody" should actually be "snooty". My bad. It means snobby, above everyone else, etc...which is exactly what your comment about "the serious player base" was.

 

[PidgeyCornerFTW]

How is releasing expensive cards in tins an "insult" to the player base? Assuming they do get tin releases, I'd say TPCi is doing a great job making these rare cards available to more people, most especially kids who can't afford $50-60 cards. It promotes competitiveness in the game. Would you want a format where tournaments are dominated by richer players instead of more skillful players?

 

[Kashmaster]

I don't know what "snoody" means, but if you are serious about playing to win, you will need to be able to play top tier decks. Mewtwo was a necessity up through Regionals. Darkrai was your best chance to win BRs. Nats is TBD. To be able to build these decks costs a lot of money, and the decks should not become worthless after Nats. It is an insult the the people that invested in them. This sort of thing happens in other card games, but I've come to expect better of TPCi. We'll wait and see.

The cards were going to drop value anyway because of Terrakion ex, Mew ex, Sigilyph rtc. Then because of rotation and the new set, decks like Empoleon, Garchomp/Altaria, Rayquaza etc. will all become competitive (to a certain degree) and hence people wouldn't need to shed out the $50 for Mewtwo and Darkrai to be competitive.

Stop embarrassing yourself and just accept that you're going to lose money to play your hobby. Boo hoo.

 

[Diaz]

Chase cards come out. Prices are high. Serious players have to buy them to be competitive. Big tournaments happen. Same cards are released in a tin. The value on the cards drop. Other players buy cards at the lower price.

Do you guys really not see how this is good for casual players and bad for serious players?

Serious players are forced to buy cards at high value before a big event, only for the value in their cards to plummet when tins are released. Serious players are already taking a hit, because card value tends to drop after big events anyway, but this exacerbates the problem. I might have phrased things a little differently than FunnyBear, and a lot of you guys have a point, but he's not as off base as you're suggesting.

Better, perhaps, would be to release the tins before big events. Stores make money off the tins. Players get the cards they need for a better price.

 

[peadawg14]

Again w/ the condescending "serious player" crap.

Stop insulting players who borrow cards at events.

Releasing top-notch cards in tins is good for the entire game (players, tpci, etc.).

 

[G landers]

Chase cards come out. Prices are high. Serious players have to buy them to be competitive. Big tournaments happen. Same cards are released in a tin. The value on the cards drop. Other players buy cards at the lower price.

Do you guys really not see how this is good for casual players and bad for serious players?

Serious players are forced to buy cards at high value before a big event, only for the value in their cards to plummet when tins are released. Serious players are already taking a hit, because card value tends to drop after big events anyway, but this exacerbates the problem. I might have phrased things a little differently than FunnyBear, and a lot of you guys have a point, but he's not as off base as you're suggesting.

Better, perhaps, would be to release the tins before big events. Stores make money off the tins. Players get the cards they need for a better price.

This is what I wanted to say but couldn't find the words to actually type. It's pretty unfair to the serious players.:nonono: