2010 Meta Decks

[bullados]

2 for 80 snipe repeatable, consistent, and fast.

1 for 60 snipe repeatable, consistent, and fast.

I still remember the days when 2 for 30 plus POSSIBLE self damage was considered good. When 3 for 30 was considered good because of the bottom stats of the card. Heck, when 1 for 20 self-charge was considered good. Electabuzz Base, Scyther Jungle, and Rocket's Zapdos would be considered terrible cards in this format. In fact, the former two ARE terrible cards in the current format. They were broken in the Base format.

I want games that actually have a chance of NOT getting a KO in the first 3 turns. I want a game where bulky evolutions like Feraligatr have half a chance. I don't like sitting down and having my games being over before they start. I don't like it when the penalty for having a marginal hand (i.e. 3 Basics, 4 energy, and a shuffle/draw Supporter) is an automatic game loss.

I want to play against decks that aren't some variation of "donk, donk, donk". I want to be able to play combo decks again, like my old Electranite, Dark Heart, or G8rSect. I want to be able to play "My Pokemon Is Biggerer Than Yourz" like I could with Dark Steelix.

Above all, though, I want this game to slow the heck down. I remember when there was a tradeoff between speed and power, between consistency and the tank. Now, I see none of those tradeoffs. Which, to me, makes for some very boring decks and games.

 

[Yoshi-]

Beautiful, exactly what I mean.

Maybe other people dont like to play like this? Anyway, Bullados post is exactly what I mean.


"You should look around a bit more. Cursegar, Gyarados, Gardy/Gallade, Donphan and Jumpluff were all successful decks last format. Some people had good results with Regigigas. Flygon/Torterra won German Nats and Top Cut Worlds. Steelix decks can do ok too."

Flygon/Torterra was an extreme counter to SP, it had 33 Claydol, Bronzong 4, SF Terra and way more trainers then actually needed, just to stand a chance. The deck ran so much stuff to beat sp and still that didnt make it easy.
And that was last format, although SP was annoying I agree it could be dealed with.

But with Claydol and Roseanne gone non sp decks loose their best cards while sp looses nothing.

 

[rokman]

Remember when finding 2 or 3 cards that worked together was what this game was all about?

Dragtrode, Ludicargo, Rocklock, ZRE, Flycatty, Flariados, LBS...

Man those were good Pokemon days.

 

[Obsidius]

^ Now unless a deck ends with -Chomp or -Lock its no good.:nonono:

I wish the game was like it was in the Deoxys-On Format. There you needed to use at least half of your deck to play the game and stay in it. Now, your lucky if the first 7 cards you draw are even going to leave your hand before the games over.

 

[bullados]

Remember when finding 2 or 3 cards that worked together was what this game was all about?

Dragtrode, Ludicargo, Rocklock, ZRE, Flycatty, Flariados, LBS...

Man those were good Pokemon days.

You're forgetting about BAR, RAMBO, and the old Gardy-Gex. What about Aqua/Magma that never caught on here? And ZRE also relied on the completely random Uncommon Magmar to work. What decks today rely on completely random Uncommon cards to work correctly? Don't say Sablelock, cuz Sableye has been used as a Starter ever since it came out, so it's not completely random.

 

[RogueDecker]

This format will either be, play SP or lose.

Because "Cursegar, Gyarados, Gardy/Gallade, Donphan and Jumpluff" did good last season doesn't mean it will this season. i almost guarantee that it wont.

All non-SP decks lose Claydol. which made them fast enough to compete with SP decks.

That is why i can't wait for PL to get rotated, because this season and any other season until it gets rotated will be SP-dominated unless Non-SP decks get something for Consistent Draw.

 

[baby mario]

You're forgetting about BAR, RAMBO, and the old Gardy-Gex. What about Aqua/Magma that never caught on here? And ZRE also relied on the completely random Uncommon Magmar to work. What decks today rely on completely random Uncommon cards to work correctly? Don't say Sablelock, cuz Sableye has been used as a Starter ever since it came out, so it's not completely random.

Combee in Gyarados?

I know Gyarados doesn't exactly rely on it, but it's a pretty neat and clever use of an obscure Common that improves the deck.

This format will either be, play SP or lose.

Because "Cursegar, Gyarados, Gardy/Gallade, Donphan and Jumpluff" did good last season doesn't mean it will this season. i almost guarantee that it wont.

All non-SP decks lose Claydol. which made them fast enough to compete with SP decks.

That is why i can't wait for PL to get rotated, because this season and any other season until it gets rotated will be SP-dominated unless Non-SP decks get something for Consistent Draw.

I used last season because it is the only one we know anything for certain about.

Yes, SP will probably dominate BRs. Then if Lost World gets released it may well end up dominating Citys. After that . . . not a clue.

 

[Elite_4_Allen]

I don't see how more supporter based decks are a bad idea, espeacially with cards like prof. oak's new theory an volkner's philosiphy. We're also getting great supporters from the upcoming set.

 

[RogueDecker]

^^Stole my Avi Much?

4 Copycat or PONT are a staple in any non-SP deck i build.
But it takes the supporter for the turn which i could have used for bebes.

Im hoping a draw engine similar to claydol will come out in a future set

 

[jokerjake7]

i run leafeonRoserade and yes its status and field disruption but not as much as the lock decks but i really love it, cause its annoying and it ohkos like a champ

 

[RogueDecker]

Leafeon/Rosey is a good deck, i actually have a build that works quite well.
But it gets hurt by trainer lock which my meta is currently filled with.

 

[rokman]

Leafeon/Rosey is a good deck

autolose to steelix?

 

[Yoshi-]

Tried it and IMO it was horrible, you rely on a 80 hp bench sitter to do any damage. And yes, I used Shaymin, but it wasnt enough

 

[ShadowGuard]

The reason why Leafeon/Roserade doesn't work well is exactly the same reason why Blastoise/Feraligatr and many many other interesting combo decks don't work as they should. It's called Luxchomp. What are you supposed to to if your Roserade gets sprayed and sniped all the time?

 

[RogueDecker]

The reason why Leafeon/Roserade doesn't work well is exactly the same reason why Blastoise/Feraligatr and many many other interesting combo decks don't work as they should. It's called Luxchomp. What are you supposed to to if your Roserade gets sprayed and sniped all the time?

Someone at my league plays Blastoise/Floatzel with Tombs and Plumes.
It works quite well.

 

[Elite_4_Allen]

^^Stole my Avi Much?

Great minds just think alike i guess.

 

[ShadowGuard]

Someone at my league plays Blastoise/Floatzel with Tombs and Plumes.
It works quite well.

I have a Blastoise/Feraligatr deck that works quite well, too. But its inferior to Luxchomp like almost any setup deck in a non-Claydol-non-Roseanne-format.

Vileplume... well, sounds nice, but having another stage 2 to set up also makes it more difficult. And it doesn't remove x2 lightning weakness.

And I'd generally play Feraligatr over Floatzel.
+ can attach more than one energy per turn
+ can't be sprayed
+ has higher HP, thus can't be sniped by Garchomp C etc
+ has grass weakness, making it a decent attacker against lightning types
+ a lot cooler than Floatzel - hey it's Feraligatr =P
- it's a stage 2
- 3 retreat

 

[thepliskin5005]

Hey no it dosent pokemon collector works better for cure gar and if you belive this or not drawing isnt real important for curse gar what does matter is getting set up witch my md on curse gar deck does real well.

 

[jokerjake7]

autolose to steelix?

not really cause i tech in blaziken and others tech in flareon or such and its not hard to get them out by the time he gets steelix cause of rainbow energy, also leafeon lv x can start pounding for high damage, someone teched in a zangoose, the one with the immune to status pokebody, and it slowed me down but i killed it with lv x leafeon, and another time just with roserade with 4 energy on it so not too bad

The reason why Leafeon/Roserade doesn't work well is exactly the same reason why Blastoise/Feraligatr and many many other interesting combo decks don't work as they should. It's called Luxchomp. What are you supposed to to if your Roserade gets sprayed and sniped all the time?

first of all roserade has 90 hp not 80 so it would survive, second you usually have a second in bench and i win agisnt dialgachomp well, but i havent personally play luxchomp so i dont know the specifics but powerspray they usually wanna save till they really have too cause this deck has alot of pokepowers also with leafeon lv x i can lay two rainbows so if you power spray one i just lay down another

 

[JokerBoi]

Why does vileplume have to paired with gengar to be a force in the upcoming format. Can't it do just as well on it's own with spiritomb and Bellossom?