2010 Meta Decks

[baby mario]

first of all roserade has 90 hp not 80 so it would survive,

That's what Crobat G is for.

second you usually have a second in bench and i win agisnt dialgachomp well, but i havent personally play luxchomp so i dont know the specifics but powerspray they usually wanna save till they really have too cause this deck has alot of pokepowers also with leafeon lv x i can lay two rainbows so if you power spray one i just lay down another

Assuming you have 2 Rainbow Energy in hand, fine . . . but don't count on it. If I were you, I would do some serious testing vs a good Luxchomp list/player and find out for real how the match up goes, and what techs/strategies you need for it.

 

[jokerjake7]

well i run energy exchange in mine so its a pretty high chance and also i would go for landmin lv x earlier than usual if i was facing luxchomp
but i do agree i need to face a luxchomp user, im going to my league this weekend hopefully someone there has one

 

[RogueDecker]

I have a Blastoise/Feraligatr deck that works quite well, too. But its inferior to Luxchomp like almost any setup deck in a non-Claydol-non-Roseanne-format.

Vileplume... well, sounds nice, but having another stage 2 to set up also makes it more difficult. And it doesn't remove x2 lightning weakness.

And I'd generally play Feraligatr over Floatzel.
+ can attach more than one energy per turn
+ can't be sprayed
+ has higher HP, thus can't be sniped by Garchomp C etc
+ has grass weakness, making it a decent attacker against lightning types
+ a lot cooler than Floatzel - hey it's Feraligatr =P
- it's a stage 2
- 3 retreat

That's why tomb's and plumes are there.
He play tests against my luxchomp and has gone 0-5 against it. :lol:

 

[The JL]

There is just not as much variaty as i would like to see.

i think there are about a 5 top decks at the moment. dialgachomp, luxchomp, sablelock, vileplume varients and donphan. the problem is they all beat each other. dialgachomp locks out vileplume, luxchomp beats dialgachomp, donphan and vilepume should have a good time against luxchomp, and sablelock is just eating its way through the meta with all its games being 50/50. theres just not a BDIF!

 

[Elite_4_Allen]

i think there are about a 5 top decks at the moment. dialgachomp, luxchomp, sablelock, vileplume varients and donphan. the problem is they all beat each other. dialgachomp locks out vileplume, luxchomp beats dialgachomp, donphan and vilepume should have a good time against luxchomp, and sablelock is just eating its way through the meta with all its games being 50/50. theres just not a BDIF!

The way i see it, kindra machamp destroys all the decks you just mentioned besides vilegar.

 

[baby mario]

A deck with 2 Stage 2 Pokemon with different Energy requirements that just lost Claydol and Roseanne?

Kingdra/Machamp wasn't beating SP decks WITH those cards.

Dream on.

 

[ShadowGuard]

first of all roserade has 90 hp not 80 so it would survive

I expected you to attach Rainbow Energy to Roserade for its power. And even if you don't, they have Crobats.

but i havent personally play luxchomp so i dont know the specifics but powerspray they usually wanna save till they really have too cause this deck has alot of pokepowers also with leafeon lv x i can lay two rainbows so if you power spray one i just lay down another

I don't play Luxchomp either, but I would definitely use all my Sprays for Roserade (unless you have a really impacting Uxie or Shaymin drop). If you can't do the 110 damage in one turn Luxchomp doesn't have problems at all. And even if you have two Roserade on your bench, you only have 1-2 energy attachments per turn. 2 Rainbows may work once in a game, but you only have 4 Rainbow Energy in your deck.

i think there are about a 5 top decks at the moment. dialgachomp, luxchomp, sablelock, vileplume varients and donphan.

Donphan... I don't know, it eats Luxchomp and Sablock, but Dialgachomp can beat it, and Genplume even more. In addition, it loses to almost all of the tier 2 decks out now (Gyarados, Charizard, Kingdra, Jumpluff, Steelix etc).

The way i see it, kindra machamp destroys all the decks you just mentioned besides vilegar.

I don't see how it destroys Luxchomp if even straight Machamp doesn't have autowin without Claydol.

 

[uuuufff]

A deck with 2 Stage 2 Pokemon with different Energy requirements that just lost Claydol and Roseanne?

Kingdra/Machamp wasn't beating SP decks WITH those cards.

Yes it was, lol. It definitely won't now, but it had an obvious advantage with claydol/roseanne in the format. too easy for the deck to just go off and SP having to deal with 1-2 Machamps and several kingdras.

 

[Elite_4_Allen]

in a cladoless format kindra machamp may be inconsistent but straight machamp runs 3-1 uxie for draw.

 

[baby mario]

in a cladoless format kindra machamp may be inconsistent but straight machamp runs 3-1 uxie for draw.

I know what Machamp runs. Your point was that Kingdra/Machamp would 'destroy' SP. I don't know what straight Machamp decks have to do with that.

I actually liked Kingdra/Machamp last format. In theory it had a lot of good match ups. In practice, it couldn't quite do the business vs the really good SP lists/players, as shown by its performance at various Nats/Worlds.

 

[uuuufff]

I disagree. It "underperformed" because very very few peoploe actually played the deck. It got T8 at US nats in masters, but barely anyone actually decided to go with it for Worlds (I think Chris Fulop played it, but he got really unlucky and went 3-4).

A really good Kingdra/Machamp player had the edge over a really good SP player. Why give SP the benefit of the doubt in that department?

 

[baby mario]

Hmmm . . . I saw it played quite a lot, admittedly more in Juniors and Seniors than Masters.

I don't doubt that it's a deck that could top cut . . . a couple made top 4 at UK Nats . . . but it always seemed to bomb out when it really mattered. That surprised me as I thought it would do a lot better. I think it had consistency issues, even with Claydol.

 

[Krusiv]

Honestly, does anyone think that Crobat Prime can do well in this upcoming format? I want to give the deck a shot but it seems like there are way too many things working against it, while I can only think of one thing that can make it the least bit viable.

+ Unown G is gone so Crobat Prime's poison can actually do something.
- Weakness against Electric which means that Luxray GL hurts it a lot.
- Stage 2 deck that just lost Claydol and Roseanne's.
- Vileplume/Gengar and other trainer-locking strategies will stop the use of Rare Candy and other important cards.

I'm pretty sure I just answered my own question but I would like to hear what other people have to say about it.

 

[Mama_Luigi]

1 pro and 3 cons? No thank you, we have poketurn, retreating, warp point, you lose to anybody who decides yo play steelix if you don't tech against it.

 

[Elite_4_Allen]

Honestly, does anyone think that Crobat Prime can do well in this upcoming format? I want to give the deck a shot but it seems like there are way too many things working against it, while I can only think of one thing that can make it the least bit viable.

+ Unown G is gone so Crobat Prime's poison can actually do something.
- Weakness against Electric which means that Luxray GL hurts it a lot.
- Stage 2 deck that just lost Claydol and Roseanne's.
- Vileplume/Gengar and other trainer-locking strategies will stop the use of Rare Candy and other important cards.

I'm pretty sure I just answered my own question but I would like to hear what other people have to say about it.

It WAS viable, now its pretty much garbage.