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2011 Houston Regionals TWO DAY thoughts

I just read the entire thread. But great points made by everyone. It was interesting seeing everyones plans for regionalas and how they are effected by one or two day. I am in the class of poeple who live in Dallas but stay with relatives in Houston who are an hour away from the racetrack. So I need a late start on Saterday so i can get down there from Dallas without having to drive the extra hour and stay over at the relatives Friday night. And an early start Sunday so i can get back to Dallas at a reasonable hour.
And no matter what anybody says I know this - something alwasy happens to make pokemon tournaments go late - every single one i have ever been to - so if it is a one day tournamanet expect the Juniors to finish at 1, the seniors at 2 and the masters at 4. ANd make your decision as to whether you want Saterday only or 2 day accordingly. And this has nothing to do with the excellent tournanment organizers for regionals, it is just reality. Stuff happens. Tournaments run long.
Cyrus - shame on you for thinking of getting rid of the coloring contest. Its the only event I have a shot at winning.
 
Team Cook said:
Cyrus quotes others about costs, I don't care what others think about cost, it's not their Regionals and it's not their players. If I need to spend a little bit more to make y'all happy, then I'll do it.
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I didn't quote others for the sake of others - I quoted others because they reflected what I think.
 
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Other than Austino, have we heard from anyone in Oklahoma?
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I hate to say this Mike, but I (and POSSIBLY Will, but he's mostly out of the game at this point) am the only one left from Oklahoma that has any interest in attending this event (bet you didn't expect that one, eh?). I think Austin's, Sidney's, etc. success in Colorado last year coupled with the location of this one (not complaining and don't want to start anything I'm just saying) is going to keep us away this year, because although I want to attend I'm not going to travel alone.

For what it's worth, from what I've heard a 2-day event here would vastly improve your chances of getting any Oklahomans.
 
Whicker said:
I hate to say this Mike, but I (and POSSIBLY Will, but he's mostly out of the game at this point) am the only one left from Oklahoma that has any interest in attending this event (bet you didn't expect that one, eh?). I think Austin's, Sidney's, etc. success in Colorado last year coupled with the location of this one (not complaining and don't want to start anything I'm just saying) is going to keep us away this year, because although I want to attend I'm not going to travel alone.

For what it's worth, from what I've heard a 2-day event here would vastly improve your chances of getting any Oklahomans.
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I can't blame you, I wouldn't make the trip alone. Austin must be afraid of true competition, I'll send him a pm and get him to come down this year.
 
Team Cook said:
I can't blame you, I wouldn't make the trip alone. Austin must be afraid of true competition, I'll send him a pm and get him to come down this year.
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I've won every event I've attended in TX this year, buddy! :thumb: Can't thank y'all enough for this 1821 I'm sitting pretty at.

In all seriousness, I'm not opposed to TX regionals, I'm just not in favor of it either. A choice to go to CO is out of the question this season since it's being held in Utah, so it's down to St. Louis or Houston with both being almost equal driving distance.
 
Austino said:
I've won every event I've attended in TX this year, buddy! :thumb: Can't thank y'all enough for this 1821 I'm sitting pretty at.

In all seriousness, I'm not opposed to TX regionals, I'm just not in favor of it either. A choice to go to CO is out of the question this season since it's being held in Utah, so it's down to St. Louis or Houston with both being almost equal driving distance.
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Ugh, you needed me to beat you in Sherman again. Too bad NEITHER of us could go to it though, lol.

(Those were some awesome games. :()
 
Austino said:
Ha ha, you probably would've too! I can't beat you in events Kettler, lol.
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We've only played once though, so maybe you can get your revenge against me this year. :thumb:

This being a two day reg is far from my ideal, but IMO it's still gonna be the best event of the season by far. My hope is that since we are having the event this way, attendance ends up being epic enough to warrant a regional that will end all regionals:

256+ masters with a top 64 cut.

Is it possible? Is it even LEGAL?!

Only time will tell, but here's to hoping. ::pokeball:
 
Cyrus said:
We've only played once though, so maybe you can get your revenge against me this year. :thumb:

This being a two day reg is far from my ideal, but IMO it's still gonna be the best event of the season by far. My hope is that since we are having the event this way, attendance ends up being epic enough to warrant a regional that will end all regionals:

256+ masters with a top 64 cut.

Is it possible? Is it even LEGAL?!

Only time will tell, but here's to hoping. ::pokeball:
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My first season OKC CC's, you beat my machamp with your kingdra.

BTW - We'll be in Houston for Regionals. Be prepared!:thumb:
 
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Update,

I'm working on a time line for a 1 day event and not really liking what I see. It has Round 1 starting as early as 10:30 am and it's still going long for Masters. I've got a few suggestions from other PTOs and I'll post the entire time line on here for you. This doesn't mean I've settled for a 1 day event, I'm just looking at options.
 
The more I think about it, a 2 day regional is fine as long as Sunday doesn't take too long. A few of us have college to be back to on Monday, and the 8.5-9 hour drive back to Stillwater isn't something I'm looking forward to rushing to get back to in time on Sunday. But that's just me, not everyone's from North Oklahoma, lol, so one person's reasons don't really reflect the whole. I'd obviously stay if I made top cut on Sunday, but it would definitely be at the expense of sleep, time, and small bit of stress, ha ha. The money for the room that night isn't an issue since we'd stay that night anyway.

Maybe if we could play *more* than just swiss on Saturday, it'd work out better? For instance, play till top 8 or top 4?
 
Austin: that idea sounds like a winner. I think the fewer people left to play the day two top cut, the less of a conditional issue it becomes, and therefore, the better it is for everyone.

Mike, what do you think about that? Playing the event on day one until only the top 8 remain seems like it keeps the purpose of why we'd do a two day event in tact, yet pretty much nullifies the "hostage issue," and even the "cost" issue as well (everyone who's staying to play gets [assumed to be like last year] half a box, which is approximately $40-$50 USD...So if hotel pay is really that big of a deal for those people, they can take it out from there somehow).
 
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Your suggestion works for me, my plan was to knock it down to top 16 for day 2 but y'all want top 8, that's fine.

If we do a 1 day event, here's my time line, (figuring Jrs - 6 rounds, Seniors - 6 rounds, and Masters - 7 or 8 rounds) and yes I'm always open to suggestions. Oh, and the Race Park has a food venue in our building, like last year.


Here's my thoughts (One day Regionals),

8:am - 9:45 - deck checks (I refuse not to do deck checks at a Regionals)
10 staff members deck checking, cut off to be in line by 9:30.

I use the deck list as actual registration, 3 staff members (one per age group) for entering data.

9:45 am - 10:25 - Knock out all data entries, announcements, roster checks, etc.

10:30 am - Round 1

Here's the big question, what's the best estimate for in between rounds? We all know we'll have several +3 turn games and those will probably take up to 10 minutes (so figure a 40 minute round). Is that safe enough? Give an extra 5 minutes for last minute data entry, print Round 2, get it posted, players go through the motions, Round 2 begins. That looks like a 1 hour in between Rounds (300 + players). Thoughts anyone?

11:30 am - Round 2
12:30 pm - Round 3
Go to lunch after finishing Round 3
2:15 pm - Round 4
3:15 pm - Round 5
4:15 pm - Round 6 End Swiss for Juniors & Seniors
5:15 pm - Round 7 Swiss for Masters
6:15 pm - Round 8 Swiss for Masters

Now, figure 6 Rounds for Juniors & Seniors which would have them finishing around 4:50ish. Provide 1 hour dinner break for Juniors, Seniors, and their judges. Let's say top 8 for Juniors and top 16 for Seniors.

6:00 pm - Round 1
7:00 pm - Round 2
8:00 pm - Round 3 Finals for Juniors
9:00 pm - Round 4 Finals for Seniors

Masters - Wrap up Swiss by 6:50ish, provide dinner break for them and judges, top cut starts at 8:00 pm (more than likely top 32). Top Cut will 60 minutes + 3.

8:00 pm - Round 1 (32)
9:15 pm - Round 2 (16)
10:30 pm - Round 3 (8)
11:45 pm - Round 4 (4)
1:00 am - Round 5 Finals

Throw in the time for wakie wakie, prepare for the day, travel, etc, and you've got yourself an extremely long day. Staff members would have it even tougher.

Time line for a 2 day event.

9:30 am - Start registration, everything the same as above but we start Round 1 at noon. This provides more time for travelers to come in the morning of, instead of Friday night.

12:00 pm - Round 1
1:00 - Round 2
2:00 - Round 3

50 minute break (food vendor on site)

3:30 - Round 4
4:30 - Round 5
5:30 - Round 6 (most likely end Swiss For Juniors & Seniors)
6:30 - Round 7
7:30 - Round 8

30 minute break for Masters

8:15ish - Top 32 (we can stop here and do top 16 on Sunday or play 1 more)
9:30 - Top 16
 
If you have adequate food available onsite, then one hour Swiss rounds will generally be sufficient for lunch breaks. I know that Illinois ran 160 players without a formal lunch break, but with a food vendor onsite, and I didn't hear any complaints about that particular system (including from the Judges).

What would that do for your timeline in the 1 day scenario?
 
Only 8 rounds? I thought we had 9 last year? Anyways, both time lines look fine for me, but I do think we need a lunch break. My rounds almost always finish too late for me to comfortably have lunch. I just can't get myself to go grab lunch, when I know the next round could start any time in the future.
 
To be perfectly honest, either of those schedules look really good, and they both look very efficient.

When we have the numbers laid out like this, and when I see such willingness to make day two a small, isolated thing, I actually feel much more receptive to it...Like, "so-receptive-I'm-willing-to-give-up-the-one-day-argument-and-change-my-mind" receptive. My only suggestion is that if top sixteen is to be held on day one (it should be), then the start of round one (and therefore every other round) should be moved back half an hour. That way, we have it ending a bit earlier, and give it a little more buffer in case something goes awry.

Doing the whole cut on day two seems unnecessary, and would be a huge resource waste for many people, but I think a top eight cut on day two seems like a bona fide winner.
 
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