9/11. The Fall of World Trade Center. (title edited)

[DarthPika]

Yeah, well how would the terrorist have set up the buildings to collapse in on them selves so neatly? That requires a lot of precision and expertise--not to mention excruciating time. If terrorists really wanted to knock it down completely, they wouldn't have wanted it to fall down in its own footprint so neatly. They'd want max destruction like the whole thing falling over killing more people and destroying more property.

I honestly think that the government would do something like this. In 2000, guys like Cheney who later surrounded Bush when he was elected signed the Project for the New American Century, which stated that global dominance of America would be a long process, unless some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor would happen. Interesting how a catastrophic event happened one year later huh?

Everything ties together on the side I believe. But if you still believe Terrorists did it, there are all kinds of contradictions and shady areas. It's not that they just wanted to go to war, but war would be how America would become Globally dominant... exactly what they wanted.

So what this boils down to is, all the people who don't like the president and several people who work for him, create all this garbage to try and make them look bad.

Look. I HATE Hillary Clinton. I can't stand anything about her and think she has NO decent morals. Even then, I would never think she would do something like this just because I don't like her. :nonono:

Look, Bush may not be the greatest president ever, but that doesnt make him some evil killer just so he can go to war.

 

[Bullet]

It wouldnt be Bush who set this up anyway.

I have for the past few years thought the president who ends up in officer also ends up under control of the government.

Theirs places in this country the President cant even go.

 

[Prime]

You do realize that the terrorists could have put their own bombs in the building if they had wanted to?

Explain how a group of terrorists walk into a building and place explosives all over the multiple story building. Even if they were dressed up as service workers, people would get suspicious the second they saw them taping explosives to the ceiling and walls.

 

[drmario]

Photographic evidence, eye witness reports.

So the videos and interviews that the media had don't fall into either of those categories?

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Explain how a group of terrorists walk into a building and place explosives all over the multiple story building. Even if they were dressed up as service workers, people would get suspicious the second they saw them taping explosives to the ceiling and walls.

So how does a group of construction workers walk into a building and place explosives all over the building? How would one acquire so many explosives without someone finding out about it? All these websites are placing these conspiracy theories right along with Aliens and area 51. However since the circumstantial evidence can fit if you bend it enough we are supposed to believe it? If you look hard enough for something you will almost always find it. People will see what they want to see.

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It wouldnt be Bush who set this up anyway.

I have for the past few years thought the president who ends up in officer also ends up under control of the government.

Theirs places in this country the President cant even go.

If not even the President can go there, then how would you know about it?

 

[Bullet]

So the videos and interviews that the media had don't fall into either of those categories?

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So how does a group of construction workers walk into a building and place explosives all over the building? How would one acquire so many explosives without someone finding out about it? All these websites are placing these conspiracy theories right along with Aliens and area 51. However since the circumstantial evidence can fit if you bend it enough we are supposed to believe it? If you look hard enough for something you will almost always find it. People will see what they want to see.

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If not even the President can go there, then how would you know about it?

its almost common knowledge, someone spoke of Area 51, the president dont even have clearance to enter that place either, I know theirs many other places like this to, if you ever heard of MJ12, those are ranks given to people with MJ12 being the highest I believe in order to reach clearance everywhere, the President of the U.S. ranks somewhere like MJ5 or 6. I think I got the rankings right with MJ12 or I could be mistaken it with something else, but their is a rank system like that in place. It may not be MJ12, I have to look it up though.

So the videos and interviews that the media had don't fall into either of those categories?

some of the stuff the media has as evidence was shown once or twice and never shown again, including one person who saw the planes hit as it passed about a mile from the towers state it wasnt an American Airlines, many people state it wasnt even a passenger plane and looked like a Cargo or Military plane, thats apparent when you look at the videos and see something attached to the bottom of them. Which is the biggest piece of evidence that stands out in all of this.

 

[Prime]

So how does a group of construction workers walk into a building and place explosives all over the building? How would one acquire so many explosives without someone finding out about it? All these websites are placing these conspiracy theories right along with Aliens and area 51. However since the circumstantial evidence can fit if you bend it enough we are supposed to believe it? If you look hard enough for something you will almost always find it. People will see what they want to see.

I only commented on the 'pulling' of building 7, which Larry Silverstein, the owner of, commented that he made the decision to do on that day. You can watch him admitting it here.

"In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million." ~ 9-11 Research

Watch how building 7 falls. Watch how the trade towers fall. Coincidence? If terrorists did plant explosives in the towers, why did the President claim the towers fell because of other reasons? If all three buildings fell the same way, we are compelled to believe that the reason each of them fell were similar if not exactly the same. If that is true, then we assume that there must have been explosives in the trade towers. Watch this and tell me what you think.

 

[drmario]

I only commented on the 'pulling' of building 7, which Larry Silverstein, the owner of, commented that he made the decision to do on that day. You can watch him admitting it here.

"In February of 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC 7. Silverstein Properties' estimated investment in WTC 7 was $386 million. So: This building's collapse resulted in a profit of about $500 million." ~ 9-11 Research

Watch how building 7 falls. Watch how the trade towers fall. Coincidence? If terrorists did plant explosives in the towers, why did the President claim the towers fell because of other reasons? If all three buildings fell the same way, we are compelled to believe that the reason each of them fell were similar if not exactly the same. If that is true, then we assume that there must have been explosives in the trade towers. Watch this and tell me what you think.

People see what they want to see. It works both ways. There is always going to be evidence supporting any theory if you look hard enough and ignore a few key facts.

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And to those that deny people where even on the plane, or that there even where planes. What about the people who called their families from the planes right before they died?

 

[Prime]

Okay. I've supplied evidence supporting my claims. You supply evidence supporting the opposite. You can't enter a discussion and expect to contribute to it by just stating blanket statements like that without evidence to back it up. Give us the 'few key facts' we are ignoring. Please, give us a decent rebuttal.

 

[drmario]

Okay. I've supplied evidence supporting my claims. You supply evidence supporting the opposite. You can't enter a discussion and expect to contribute to it by just stating blanket statements like that without evidence to back it up. Give us the 'few key facts' we are ignoring. Please, give us a decent rebuttal.

I was speaking in general terms, not specifically about this argument. Also youtube videos don't really consitute 'evidence'. Here's a good place to start. Also saying 'this is from the government, why believe it?' Well who's to say that your (general) sources are any more reliable? Furthermore any source I quote will simply be brushed off because it will come from the 'media' which obviously cannot be trusted.

 

[Mew*]

And to those that deny people where even on the plane, or that there even where planes. What about the people who called their families from the planes right before they died?

Well, that could have easily been faked. They could have simply made the people think that they were being hijacked and tricked them. Then this would have scared them, and while low enough to possibly make phone calls, they called loved ones in pure terror, honest terror. But, later fighter jets shot Flight 93 down. Just a possible scenario. There are testimonies and evidence suporting that US fighter jets shot it down.

Sometimes you have to be open to new ideas, like when there is all this evidence. I mean, I of course thought it was terrorist initially, until I found out all of this evidence supporting the opposite.

 

[drmario]

Well, that could have easily been faked. They could have simply made the people think that they were being hijacked and tricked them. Then this would have scared them, and while low enough to possibly make phone calls, they called loved ones in pure terror, honest terror. But, later fighter jets shot Flight 93 down. Just a possible scenario. There are testimonies and evidence suporting that US fighter jets shot it down.

And there is testimony and evidence supporting that they DIDN'T. See the same link again please.

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Also please tell me why Al Queda would claim responsibility for the attacks multiple times if they didn't do it?

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Photographic evidence, eye witness reports.

Photographic evidence doesn't mean ANYTHING in this day and age.

 

[Mew*]

Why do people claim to be famous murderers when they're innocent? Like the Zodiac killer? Because they want that attention, and to them pride. Also, he could have been paid to make the claims, who knows.

 

[Bullet]

And there is testimony and evidence supporting that they DIDN'T. See the same link again please.

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Also please tell me why Al Queda would claim responsibility for the attacks multiple times if they didn't do it?

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Photographic evidence doesn't mean ANYTHING in this day and age.

Well thats easy

#1 Media is telling us what they are saying when are speaking another language

#2 they have claimed responsibility for numerous happenings when their was no link connecting them to it.

quite frankly I think Al Quaida is so weak and has been for years they couldnt pop a balloon.

 

[drmario]

Why do people claim to be famous murderers when they're innocent? Like the Zodiac killer? Because they want that attention. Also, he could have been paid to make the claims, who knows.

Ok, so using that logic, then all these people coming forward with the supposed 'evidence' about the conspiracy theories are only doing it for their 15 minutes of fame.

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Well thats easy

#1 Media is telling us what they are saying when are speaking another language

#2 they have claimed responsibility for numerous happenings when their was no link connecting them to it.

quite frankly I think Al Quaida is so weak and has been for years they couldnt pop a balloon.

Really? I forgot, the only people who speak Arabic and English are members of the media. Thank you for enlightening me.

 

[Bullet]

Ok, so using that logic, then all these people coming forward with the supposed 'evidence' about the conspiracy theories are only doing it for their 15 minutes of fame.

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Really? I forgot, the only people who speak Arabic and English are members of the media. Thank you for enlightening me.

Dont have to be the only people, anyone else makes a fuss about it and it will never come to light.

media controls the country and world pretty much.

 

[Lakak]

Just a question to those who say that terrorists did plant the bombs...

Why plant bombs AND fly planes into the building? Seems like overkill to me...

 

[drmario]

Just a question to those who say that terrorists did plant the bombs...

Why plant bombs AND fly planes into the building? Seems like overkill to me...

Oh, don't you know? Its all part of this massive conspiracy theory. It was to make it look like the government did it. Or it was so people would be able to fabricate conspiracy theory and then start a pointless argument about it on a Pokemon TCG forum. :lol:

 

[Brady1]

Maybe they mathed it out and and the trade centers wouldn't fall from either one by itself. btw, bullet, your signature is rediculous. Anarachy is such a pitifull form of gov't. We've dumb to follow the rule of not killing someone? Okay buddy. Media does have a great influence on are country, but it far from controlls it.

 

[Bullet]

if you watch the news every night, and believe just about everything in it, then it controls you.

 

[drmario]

if you watch the news every night, and believe just about everything in it, then it controls you.

No it doesn't. And who said we believe everything we see or read? I certainly don't believe your sig.