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Umbykirb said:
What do you mean, Jesus made our sins forgiven? This is a serious question. Did Jesus only exempt us from the original sin, or from all sins until he died, or all sins past that?

I am clueless about the New Testament!
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Jesus forgives all sins. His sacrifice absolves ones commited now, those in the past, and any we do in the future.
 
Kabutops141 said:
Yes, it does. He also gave us his only son as our savior so that we can be forgiven from our sins.
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And what about those who never had the opportunity to hear of Christ? They're just out of luck? There have been billions of people completely ignorant of the Bible or God or Jesus.

Also, where does God say to take the Bible literally? I hope that was meant as a joke. It is the WORD OF GOD after all. I guess we shouldn't take the WORD OF GOD literally.
 
ninetales1234 said:
To those of you who are confused by Christian ideas, I would reccommend doing some research on the concept of God as a being from a higher dimension. We, in our ten (or eleven) dimensional universe cannot fully understand the actions of God.
He functions on things that are beyond our comprehension.

Imagine telling a being in a two-dimensional world (it only has height and width, no depth) about the concept of depth. Imagine telling him there are more than two dimensions. You can't explain the concept of "depth" to him, because he is living in a two-dimensional world. Those who live in a dimension higher than his, are functioning on things that he is unable to understand.
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Have you read Flatland?
 
ryanvergel said:
And what about those who never had the opportunity to hear of Christ? They're just out of luck? There have been billions of people completely ignorant of the Bible or God or Jesus.

Also, where does God say to take the Bible literally? I hope that was meant as a joke. It is the WORD OF GOD after all. I guess we shouldn't take the WORD OF GOD literally.
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I asked my debate teacher that exact question and she said that God had a method of getting people into Heaven if they didn't hear of Him. She said something like a kid in the Bible who had a strong, strong devotion to Islam was seen in Heaven. He has some sort of system - like if you could have been put into the situation of having Christianity, he would know how you would have chosen and acted (I think).

Nowadays, there isn't much of an excuse, though. If you research, you should be able to find the best religion.
 
If He had a system of knowing whether or not a soul would be devoted to Him without actually being exposed to Him- then why even put the soul to the test? To make sure He was right?

If He creates me, he's omniscient and knows I would eventually end up in **** for not believe in Him- so why did he even create me? To make sure what He knows will happen will actually happen? lol.

I think there is still an excuse even nowadays. I wonder how many millions of people have still never heard of God or Jesus or anything like that- or are in such an environment so that they have no real reason to believe in the Christian God.

I think believing in God makes me feel trapped. I don't like the idea of my life being a trivial test for a being who supposedly already knows everything. Why do I even exist anyways? To pay worship to a being who already knows of His magnificence? I think my life has more meaning without the Christian God.

But that's just me. Whatever path one may take is fine by me- as long as it doesn't hurt me. I admire people who have strong faith. I understand why people believe in God. I *feel* something that I attribute to "God"- but it has nothing to do with the Bible.
 
WPM said:
Nowadays, there isn't much of an excuse, though. If you research, you should be able to find the best religion.
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And how would you know? Isn't it the place of religion to deal with the unknowable? What exactly makes one set of unproven assertions better than any other?
 
@ Ryan: I'm not sure. You should ask a minister. EDIT: Google is your friend, too: http://www.google.com/search?source...inned+why+did+he+create+us&btnG=Google+Search

Also, I don't think believing in God makes a person feel "trapped." You only feel trapped if you don't understand everything and how he works. Christianity really leads you to living a good life. You only feel trapped if you don't know what to do. I feel trapped a lot too, but that's just because I don't know everything about it yet.

@ Zak: Depends on the person and what they decide.
 
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Well, whether or not something is true is something that can and should be objectively evaluated. So if it's a subjective matter, then apparently you're not looking for truth in your religion.

So, what, then? Comfort? Convenience? Belonging? Meaning? All ridiculous reasons to hold a belief. I can only imagine the self-denial necessary to seek out a faith and stick to it for one of these reasons while denying the folly of such a choice; equally baffling is the alternative, the idea that this is actually an okay way to lead your life.
 
an outsider's perspective: i'm curious, reading the last few posts...if the difficulties you're having with belief in the biblical 'god' is making you feel 'trapped' among other things...why are you not investigating other belief systems instead of feeling that the 'failure' to understand is all on *your* part?

many of you are college students: why are you not taking a comparative religions class, to find out what is out there that might be a better 'fit' for your spiritual beliefs? your spirituality shouldn't be something that makes you feel bad, unworthy, insignificant; it should be a source of strength and comfort. and if not, perhaps, just perhaps it isn't really 'you' but what you 'think' you should be believing in that's the issue?

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I find comfort in Christianity, and it makes the most sense to me as a religion, even if in the end it all turns out to not be real (it teaches you how to live a good life and points out the nature of man). What I meant for myself about being "trapped" is when I don't know the answer to things because I haven't actually studied it completely myself.
 
I've thought about taking religion, but I wanted to take Philosophy of Religion at the same time (being a double major where one of my majors is in philosophy).

I've tried to read into other religions... Buddhism, Hinduism, Atheism, Agnosticism, whatever. I really just want to find some kind of Buddhist or Hindu establishment near me and talk to someone about how I feel. I don't think a priest would help me at all. Whereas when I think about Buddhism I feel a sense of relief and excitement, I feel entrapment and confusion from Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.

WPM: I used to be extremely religious. I grew up in a strong Roman Catholic household of Filipinos. I was an altar boy (haha, yeah- and no, I didn't), I went to Catholic School for a little bit, I used to argue as all of you do now. But then I lost my faith somewhere and have never felt it again. Oh how easy it would be to just blend in and do it, but Jesus never really got to me like he did to others.

I remember the first time I saw Little Buddha. That movie really got to me in a positive way. I saw Jesus Christ as a friend to me, not a Savior. I thought of him an ideal person to look up to and admire, but to worship? I saw imperfection. I knew Christianity wasn't right for me- but the religion that I saw that had a similar attitude towards these highly moral men was Buddhism.
 
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I used to be religious too, but then I completely lost it, though I did try to live under Christian ideals (through my grandma, aunt, and mom). I have slowly been regaining faith, though... very slowly - it's growing on me.
 
ryanvergel said:
Also, where does God say to take the Bible literally? I hope that was meant as a joke. It is the WORD OF GOD after all. I guess we shouldn't take the WORD OF GOD literally.
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Completely 100% serious. Why should you take the Word of God literally. Jesus taught with parables didn't he? If of course you happen to be a Protestant then you'll disagree with me. Also perhaps you misunderstood what I meant. I said you can't interpret the Bible literally, meaning you can't take everything in it word for word.

ryanvergel said:
And what about those who never had the opportunity to hear of Christ? They're just out of luck? There have been billions of people completely ignorant of the Bible or God or Jesus.
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If they have NEVER heard of any of that and live a "good" life by their standards and do what they know is right they'll be fine.
 
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SD PokéMom said:
an outsider's perspective: i'm curious, reading the last few posts...if the difficulties you're having with belief in the biblical 'god' is making you feel 'trapped' among other things...why are you not investigating other belief systems instead of feeling that the 'failure' to understand is all on *your* part?

many of you are college students: why are you not taking a comparative religions class, to find out what is out there that might be a better 'fit' for your spiritual beliefs? your spirituality shouldn't be something that makes you feel bad, unworthy, insignificant; it should be a source of strength and comfort. and if not, perhaps, just perhaps it isn't really 'you' but what you 'think' you should be believing in that's the issue?

jmho.
'mom
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In a sense, I agree with you. Christianity is something open to everyone, like most, if not all religions. Some people just find to many reason not to believe. Christianity IS a source of strength and comfort to me, but for some people, its hard to let go of things necessary to follow Jesus.
 
drmario said:
Completely 100% serious. Why should you take the Word of God literally. Jesus taught with parables didn't he? If of course you happen to be a Protestant then you'll disagree with me. Also perhaps you misunderstood what I meant. I said you can't interpret the Bible literally, meaning you can't take everything in it word for word.

If they have NEVER heard of any of that and live a "good" life by their standards and do what they know is right they'll be fine.
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I know it's rather silly to take it literally, but that is what the Bible asks of its readers- to be taken literally.
 
Xenoz Blaid said:
If the president sent you a letter would you take it literally?
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Depends upon who was President. Like I said Jesus taught with parables. They are in the Bible. So I'm assuming then you believe the universe was created in 6 days and God rested on the seventh. And also that evolution isn't even possible at all?
 
Water Pokemon Master said:
I find comfort in Christianity, and it makes the most sense to me as a religion, even if in the end it all turns out to not be real (it teaches you how to live a good life and points out the nature of man). What I meant for myself about being "trapped" is when I don't know the answer to things because I haven't actually studied it completely myself.
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I know what you mean. My comfort in Judaism comes from knowing that there aren't many of them, and although I'm Reform (very unrestricting about following the laws) I like to go to Temple because I'm proud. That's also why you see me talking about it more than other people. It may not be real, but it sure is cool!
 
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