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[Otaku]

Actually, the bad things about Computer Search are that you can only run a single copy in your deck and at the expense of any other Ace Spec. card. That may not seem like much, but then again a single Computer Search really isn't the same as when we could run three or four.

It was one thing ripping through your deck with Professor Oak knowing if you didn't get what you were looking for, odds are you'd get an Item Finder or Computer Search and search for it... then follow up with another Professor Oak to replenish your hand. A single Computer Search isn't for reliable set-up, it's just sort of a piece of "super TecH".

Still the default option for your Ace Spec. slot, and probably the winner.

 

[Charizard3712]

This is what I think of this new set:
*Blastoise will be very strong
*Bicycle is broken
*Love the FA Supporters
*Vileplume is pretty cool
*Charizard is disappointing
*most of the EX's are disappointing
*I kinda like Scolipede with the new stadium
*I don't really see how Landorus is good(Maybe I'm missing something)
*Most of the trainers/supporters are really good
*PC communication isn't very good
* I love Skyla

Overall very good set, 9/10 would buy.

Why is everyone saying that bicycle is broken?

 

[HerpTheDerp]

Why is everyone saying that bicycle is broken?

only a few have claimed it to be so, and it's merits have been stated by quite a few posters.

 

[Fox_Master51]

Hmph. I still think Cresselia EX could be useful...:nonono:

 

[Slev]

Why is everyone saying that bicycle is broken?

B/c pooka being a luck sack will start turn 1, use 6 cards with his last being a bicycle. Will use bicycle to draw 4 w/ one of them being a bicycle, use 3 cards then, rinse and repeat twice more.

:lol:

In all seriousness I don't think its broken. It is just really good for a trainer, and at some point people will get lucky and pull the situation I laid out above.

I don't really see how Landorus is good(Maybe I'm missing something)

Landorus-Ex is good b/c you get to attack turn 1 and 2 with spread. You can lay damage all over the board, and once you hit turn 3 you can hit for 150 ko-ing any damaged ex's. *Energy gets discarded* Follow up next turn with max potion, and more spread damage.

The only downsides i see is the retreat cost(+ can use heavy ball to search out), and the fact that blastoise may get played in the set w/ Landorus being water weak.

 

[Fox_Master51]

Landorus-Ex is good b/c you get to attack turn 1 and 2 with spread. You can lay damage all over the board, and once you hit turn 3 you can hit for 150 ko-ing any damaged ex's. *Energy gets discarded* Follow up next turn with max potion, and more spread damage.

The only downsides i see is the retreat cost(+ can use heavy ball to search out), and the fact that blastoise may get played in the set w/ Landorus being water weak.

You could easily run Landorus EX with Virizion. Ether then Catcher. Leaf Wallop that Squirtle. Wham bam thank you ma'am. Keldeo is also Grass weak.

 

[PMysterious]

I'm loving Blastoise. I even thought I was not going to get to build a Rain-Dance deck for B&W-On. Not to mention I can now use Mewtwo in the deck. This set is looking sweet. :thumb:

P.S. Don't count Charizard out. It has some decent power. Even its pre-evolutions have power.

 

[clifton snorlax]

Charizard isn't as bad as people say it is.
Charmander has energy acceleration
Charmelion has rage which is useful with celebi EX and a 160hp charizard
Charizard spreads and does 150

 

[Otaku]

Slev: You are in some ways more correct than you know. One of the things that made Bill problematic was someone hitting a "run" of Bills. For those who are really knew to the game, when Bill was first released in the Base Set (and later in the Legendary Collection), he was a normal Trainer, what today we'd call an "Item". A single Bill wasn't a big deal. Your hand lost one card and then gained two more; just enough advantage to be really worth playing.

Except this is Pokemon. Periodically, you'd hit a run of Bill. Two Bill were somewhat impressive; two cards became four. When you hit that magic run of four (and believe me, it happened), four cards became eight. What those of us worried about Bicycle are trying to point out is that decks can be designed to optimize the return on Bianca... and thus Bicycle. It requires a high utility deck, but those decks aren't exactly rare in Pokemon.

The current anticipated top performing decks (or actual top performing decks in Japan) are not currently designed with both Bicycle and Bianca in mind, and there is a decent chance they'll be powerful enough that high utility decks won't take over. That doesn't make Bicycle "balanced". There's long been a myth that a "broken" card must be in every deck, and especially must be in the top deck. Bicycle is just asking for trouble.

 

[Charizard3712]

Slev: You are in some ways more correct than you know. One of the things that made Bill problematic was someone hitting a "run" of Bills. For those who are really knew to the game, when Bill was first released in the Base Set (and later in the Legendary Collection), he was a normal Trainer, what today we'd call an "Item". A single Bill wasn't a big deal. Your hand lost one card and then gained two more; just enough advantage to be really worth playing.

Except this is Pokemon. Periodically, you'd hit a run of Bill. Two Bill were somewhat impressive; two cards became four. When you hit that magic run of four (and believe me, it happened), four cards became eight. What those of us worried about Bicycle are trying to point out is that decks can be designed to optimize the return on Bianca... and thus Bicycle. It requires a high utility deck, but those decks aren't exactly rare in Pokemon.

The current anticipated top performing decks (or actual top performing decks in Japan) are not currently designed with both Bicycle and Bianca in mind, and there is a decent chance they'll be powerful enough that high utility decks won't take over. That doesn't make Bicycle "balanced". There's long been a myth that a "broken" card must be in every deck, and especially must be in the top deck. Bicycle is just asking for trouble.

I agree and disagree with you on this one. Bill was a lot different bc it was straight draw and bicycle is draw up to 4. The only way I can see bicycle being good is if it is in a stage 2 deck. There is only so much you can do to bring your hand of 4 down to 1-0 and then rinse and repeat. If junk arm were in it would be totally different. Yeah we have ultra ball but we don't really have enough cards to get out of our hand. When we start getting more cards like pokedex,junk arm,.etc. then I will say bicycle is broken.

 

[Otaku]

I agree and disagree with you on this one. Bill was a lot different bc it was straight draw and bicycle is draw up to 4.

Correct. Which is why I keep emphasizing it will require a specific built, namely something focused on a low Pokemon, low Energy count, playing high utility Trainers to keep your ending handsize down. I've already built a few such decks trying to make Bianca better or to see if I could spam a lot of Items... and the results were encouraging, though not exhaustive.

The only way I can see bicycle being good is if it is in a stage 2 deck. There is only so much you can do to bring your hand of 4 down to 1-0 and then rinse and repeat. If junk arm were in it would be totally different. Yeah we have ultra ball but we don't really have enough cards to get out of our hand. When we start getting more cards like pokedex,junk arm,.etc. then I will say bicycle is broken.

Actually, you have it backwards. Evolution decks are likely to have a harder time abusing Bicycle because they have to run higher Pokemon counts and wait to Evolve, plus need more Pokemon in general to offset a key stage getting caught in Prizes or KOed early. When you run four Ultra Ball, max out Juniper, Bianca, and N, plus design your deck with Items you can almost always play (even for minimal effect), you can deplete your hand quite quickly.

Lastly, remember that you really just need to get your hand down to three cards (Bicycle plus whatever else) to draw two cards, for a solid return.

 

[untitled]

I think Jellicent needs a little more love, especially with all this hype around Poison decks. Set up a Stage 1 and your opponent is going to have significantly more trouble retreating.

 

[Otaku]

I am warming up to it myself. If the wording is correct, it doesn't actually add to retreat cost but instead adds a penalty to retreating. This would mean Darkrai EX doesn't completely block the effect.

 

[eriknance]

I think Jellicent needs a little more love, especially with all this hype around Poison decks. Set up a Stage 1 and your opponent is going to have significantly more trouble retreating.

It's amazing how the absence of one card in the BW-on format makes so many of these cards "playable," or otherwise keeps a particular card from being "broken." With Junk Arm gone, players can't just copy Switch until their opponent gives up in frustration. No Junk Arm means that Bicycle, Gold Potion, Ether, and Computer Search aren't automatically overpowered either.

So happy to have Junk Arm gone. :thumb:

Also, the full-art supporters are awesome! With those AND the new trainers, this set looks like it'll be another great Pre-Release set.

 

[bullados]

Bill also had the advantage of being around Oak, Comp Search, and Item Finder.

That doesn't stop Bicycle from being broken...

 

[Rogan]

JPN boxes typically contain 3 EX (Less if there is either a FA or a Secret Rare), 1 of each "Rare" which are Holo Rares as we know them, and 2/3 of each Common/Uncommon. Since the ACE SPECS are Rares in JPN, they are 1 per box there.

Unfortunately/fortunately, depending on your side of the issue, they will likely be Rares in America.

I just opened 3 boxes! The ratio is very clear in Japan.

Combination of 4 EXes/ACESPEC/SRs/URs (SRs and URs are about 1 for every 2 boxes and would replace other Rs).
Holo-Rare Pokemon (Blastoise/Dusknoir/etc) are limited to exactly 6 per box.
Trainer's Cards are limited to 8 per box (sometimes I've gotten less but 8 is a good average).
Rest are all normals.

Album of me opening my BW6 cards yesterday!

If you guys have any questions lemme know and I'll try to answer them!

 

[AlmightyGoldenGarchomp]

Actually, the bad things about Computer Search are that you can only run a single copy in your deck and at the expense of any other Ace Spec. card. That may not seem like much, but then again a single Computer Search really isn't the same as when we could run three or four.

It was one thing ripping through your deck with Professor Oak knowing if you didn't get what you were looking for, odds are you'd get an Item Finder or Computer Search and search for it... then follow up with another Professor Oak to replenish your hand. A single Computer Search isn't for reliable set-up, it's just sort of a piece of "super TecH".

Still the default option for your Ace Spec. slot, and probably the winner.

I personally thought that Gold Potion would be a better ace spec. choice, as it can heal such incredible amounts with no drawback other than the target being active. I feel that it could be especially abused recycle, followed by bicycle/cheren/bianca/juniper to reuse it to completely heal a damaged EX, and by doing so pull ahead in the prize race, essentially denying your opponent 2 prizes. As for Computer Search, it is easily the best search card out there, but there are other cards to search for every type of card in the format excepting special energy. And while Computer Search is great, 1 would not seem to make much of a difference (correct me if I'm wrong), while Gold Potion could be potentially game changing and is easily searchable with Skyla if needed. This is my reasoning, but as you are far better at this game and at understanding how cards work, I would be interested in hearing your logic.




And as for the set as a whole, stage 2s being good for a change (Garchomp & Hydreigon isn't a total revitalization) is nice, Ace Specs are a much welcomed addition, trainers are exciting (especially FA Bianca and FA Cheren [who is starting to remind me of Sasuke]), EXs are a bit disappointing (excluding Landorus and Keldeo perhaps), and overall a good set. Shinnies are awesome, but now it's a contest between the awesome FA Terrakion and the snazzy new shiny one for me. All in all, can't wait.

Now I just have to wait for FA Juniper and I'll be a happy guy.

 

[Otaku]

The main reason I don't think Gold Potion will be the default is because preventing damage is better than healing. No, they haven't released some sort of "Super Defender" or (dare I say it and risk giving them ideas) reprint Focus Band as an Ace Spec. Tool, but between the decks that are doing find with Max Potion and/or Super Scoop Up, Gold Potion is useful but not mind blowing. 90 can save a Pokemon from being KOed... maybe. That's the rub.

In the modern game, it isn't guaranteed to heal the full results of a single attack. Often it will, but we are in such a high damage format that many will leave enough of a residual that it won't matter... especially since we should have Tool Scrapper by this time, so you can't count on say a Pokemon EX hiding behind Eviolite turn after turn.

Computer Search's big deal is that it is a "variable copy" of everything in your deck. Any deck running Ultra Ball might as well just replace one Ultra Ball with Computer Search, unless something specific about the deck makes another Ace Spec. card worthwhile.

Now decks specifically trying to tank are another matter. When I am going to be "sacrificing" a Sableye anyway to Junk Hunt, grabbing back that Gold Potion to heal up whatever I am tanking without losing it's Energy is quite appealing, unless I am using a deck where the drawback of Max Potion is made largely irrelevant. Unlike my argument of Computer Search being a better Ultra Ball, Gold Potion is not automatically a better Max Potion (though it may be under specific circumstances).

Sadly, I have an even more likely reason why Computer Search will be everywhere; it's Computer Search. It might as well say for the effect "I'm Batman!". Even if it doesn't make sense, people associate it with either the format they began the game with or stories of "ancient" power decks. XD

 

[Shino Bug Master]

I just opened 3 boxes! The ratio is very clear in Japan.

Combination of 4 EXes/ACESPEC/SRs/URs (SRs and URs are about 1 for every 2 boxes and would replace other Rs).
Holo-Rare Pokemon (Blastoise/Dusknoir/etc) are limited to exactly 6 per box.
Trainer's Cards are limited to 8 per box (sometimes I've gotten less but 8 is a good average).
Rest are all normals.

Album of me opening my BW6 cards yesterday!

If you guys have any questions lemme know and I'll try to answer them!

I want access to those pretty pretty pretty sleeves =[

But cool looking cards. The pull rate sounds sucky though.

 

[Slev]

I just opened 3 boxes! The ratio is very clear in Japan.

Combination of 4 EXes/ACESPEC/SRs/URs (SRs and URs are about 1 for every 2 boxes and would replace other Rs).
Holo-Rare Pokemon (Blastoise/Dusknoir/etc) are limited to exactly 6 per box.
Trainer's Cards are limited to 8 per box (sometimes I've gotten less but 8 is a good average).
Rest are all normals.

Album of me opening my BW6 cards yesterday!

If you guys have any questions lemme know and I'll try to answer them!

This makes me a sad panda. Going to have to buy at least two cases to have stuff to sell and play with. All I can say is that with these ratios it seems like we will have more expensive cards across this set( I may be way wrong about this).