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Battle roads prize support

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ShadowGuard said:
Word.
There are so many decks I like to play but are not good enough for more competitive tournaments.


That's right, but the problem is, many players can't benefit fromthat. Free entry is nice, however, you usually have to pay for getting to the event, unless you are lucky and live near the location or have some kind of universal ticket for your are.
Second problem is that the prize distribution isn't proportional to the player number. Great, we have 1 display shared to 30 players. Sounds fine to me on the first view. But in reality (at least here in Germany at many Battle Roads) 12 of the 36 booster packs are reserved for the 2 junior players attending the Battle Roads, leaving 24 only for the other 28 players.
It's ok to treat all age groups equal. But this is not equal treatment, this is the highest form privileging for the age groups with less attendance. If that means I enter a tournament and there are only 2 masters, I have no problem in recieving only 1 booster pack for winning, since I didn't really have to do something for it and I still get the victory medal.
And it's not only about the age group thing - prize support should be dependant on the player number anyway. Big tournaments have to get more prizes than small ones - nothing is more reasonable. Just give an ammount of booster packs per player in one age group to the pool. Let's say, 1 per player for Battle Roads, 3 per player for Cities or something like that. It wouldn't be much effort since most stores have boosters anyway that can be paid afterwards by TPCi or the LD. But it would be a huge advance compared to what we have now.
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You miss my point....the amount of product sent by the Company for prize support is equal to other companies prize support in company cost. PCI has no control over how many attend the event and should not be required to adjust the prize support after the fact. Some Battleroads have 20 people, others have 50.
 
pat460 said:
costs about $5 and I have no idea who provides packs, but its weekly. BR is, like I said, about 2-5 per season, depending on where you live, assuming you dont travel.
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homeofmew said:
not really because league is free
It would be like every week POKEMON collecting $5 to run small tournaments.
which is done sometimes.
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I'm going to go ahead and make some assumptions, based on my knowledge of how things used to work at the DCI when I worked there, how good business/tournaments are run, and WotC's business structure.

WotC has a Direct Sales team, comprised of 10-20 people, who divide the country up into regions, and are only responsible for retailers in their regions. Those people are responsible for selling not only retail products, but also league kits and tournament supplies. This includes FNM kits. That means that there is a team of 10-20 people managing this activity (we've got Pete).

The kits are sold to retailers. It's likely that these kits consist of pretty much just the promo cards, and perhaps some instructions on prizing, distribution of cards, and reporting instructions. It's very likely that these kits are fairly inexpensive for the retailer.

It's is incredibly likely that the prize support is provided by the store, based on the entry fees paid by the players. If the fee is $5, $4 is going toward a booster, and $1 is going into the store's pocket. The store already makes a profit on the boosters, due to retailer mark up. This creates a good revenue stream for the store, because they're both moving product, and making money.

At the end of the event, the total number of boosters purchased by entry fees is divided amongst the top players as prizes, and the promo cards are handed out according to WotC's instructions.

POP could likely implement something similar, given enough bodies. However, TPCi has no foreseeable plans to add bodies for that purpose.
 
It would be great to see that happen sometime in the future though. I know my local store would benefit greatly, as would sooo many other FLGS. What is your opinion on trying to implement something like that through leagues that are run in gaming stores?
 
Especially for my area, I love seeing this. There are lots of players who just don't have a chance to win much, even though we're a smaller community. Giving them a better chance to walk away with something worth their while outside of just a good time is always a good thing. As many have stated, "what have you done for me" is a driving force in tournament attendance. However, there is a much larger portion of players that can't win for one reason or another, and those players need the encouragement to continue playing and continue supporting this game. By spreading the prizes amongst the entire maximum top cut for BRs, you help ensure that those newer, inexperienced, or unlucky players still have the drive to continue playing.
 
Any store can run a sanctioned event, charge an entry fee and give out prizes.

Being Sanctioned, it shows up on the Pokemon Website, which is nice free advertising.

Now, Pokemon does not supply any support for these events, but they do give free premiere events, and league support, so, if the store really wants "pay to play" type events, the stores can certainly hold those events.

Vince
 
Well, I don't know if I'm in the minority on this, but I'de rather pay a few bucks to enter a tpurnament with relevent prize structure than play in a free event with a 1st prize of 4 packs. This also goes for bigger events. I'de rather pay the entry fees for states/regs/ect and play for big prizes than like a trphy and a box(States), or like $5000 in shcolorship(Regs).
 
Pat, I may be in the minority here, but your responses make absolutely no sense to me.

If you want pay-to-play events, then have someone in your area (possibly yourself) organize them and check your attendance.

People get really tired of winning NOTHING after paying an entry fee.

As for not being happy with the prize structure, it is kind of tough with 3 age divisions...you raise prize support for one, you gotta go up in all 3.

If you are that disinterested in the game, take a break and go play something else for a while, and see if it suits you better. If the grass looks greener over there, go check it out.

Pokemon will always be here to take you back. Always will.

Vince
 
meganium45 said:
Pat, I may be in the minority here, but your responses make absolutely no sense to me.

If you want pay-to-play events, then have someone in your area (possibly yourself) organize them and check your attendance.

See, the problem is that I really am in the minority, in that not many people want to do this, so I can't find anyone to organize it.

People get really tired of winning NOTHING after paying an entry fee.

It motivates them to win.

As for not being happy with the prize structure, it is kind of tough with 3 age divisions...you raise prize support for one, you gotta go up in all 3.

Why? Seniors should get more prize than juniors as it is harder to win in that division, just as masters should get more prize because it is harder to win in that division.

If you are that disinterested in the game, take a break and go play something else for a while, and see if it suits you better. If the grass looks greener over there, go check it out.

I don't play Pokemon.

Pokemon will always be here to take you back. Always will.

Vince
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if you don't play, what are you complaining about? is your ox being gored by the change in prize structure?

'mom
 
Im not complaining, I'm stating my opinion that I dislike the structure, and Why I choose tocome here is my buisness. To be honest, its mostly just something to do.
 
It's the definition of an unfunny troll.

Seriously, if you don't play Pokemon then why are you complaining about the prize support of an event that you're not going to anyway?
 
Did Pat460 just become the Mr. Irrelevant of this board?

Everyone's opinions are worth something, but to argue, just for the sake of arguing, isn't there a rule for that somewhere on these boards?

I know it has been a while since I have been a mod...
 
Yoshi- said:
Why is everyone who asks for more prices automatically considered greedy?

I know events are free but its not like one doesnt give somethign back...
We also buy boosters and for me e.g. I run a league here with nothing but kids, which is completly pointless for me, and I still do it... So I dont think I'm greedy if I ask them to at least give some prices.

Br have been around so long, Victory Medals are worthless nowadays, I've got 4 of them sitting in my binder for a year now, the next 4 will be coming soon... Then you get 4 boosters, and over here we mostly get old boosters as well (german boosters... I wanna live in the netherlands, they dont have dutch cards, they get english new ones >,<")
And the points are so little it hardly matters :/

I mean, newbie friendly tournaments are good and needed. But BRs are SO completly uncompetetive... Its just boring, really :/ I mean, what would it cost PUI to throw in a booster for everyone participating and a few more boosters for the topcut? And this would really make it an event, "newbies" would got here for the free boosters and for first time playing a tournament and it still would be somehow competetive.

IDK IMO BR just dont work, Newbies wont win them anyway since some good player will always wind up going there, and for good players its just unexiting and boring. Really feels like a failed concept.

If at least the promo would be a bit more exiting... Look at WoW, alternative art cards with full card pictures as prices, thats at least somehow interesting, doesnt cost much, and these cards keep their worth.

Like this it just feels really boring, if you consider if playing a br is worth getting up 2 hours earlier there is somethign wrong xD
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Reading this I only have one option.
Load my car up with 7 persons, ask them to pay me €5 euro each (since we have to pay that to attend a BR and yours are free it should be equal for them) and compete in your BR.

I am never bored when I can play.
I don't mind to get up 2 hours earlier to play whatever tournament, as long it's at least 4 rounds I try to attend.
However I prefer to play overhere, because we had matchplay, which is so much nicer.
 
pat460 said:
lol, FNM is an 8K event usually with about a box of prize, and Pokemon gets these what, twice a year assuming you don't travel? Hehe, nice tounramen structure.
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What's worse is we probably wont get any of the 3 new Victory Metal arts they gave out in Japan either:nonono:

meganium45 said:
As for not being happy with the prize structure, it is kind of tough with 3 age divisions...you raise prize support for one, you gotta go up in all 3.
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No they don't all they would have to do is minim prize and additional prizes would be based on attendance in your age group.
 
I believe that this would violate a core tenant of POP. What's next--deeper prize support in Oregon/California/Florida/Texas because they have the most players?? Yeah, that'd fly....
 
and how is OP supposed to magically 'know' how much prize support to send, if it's determined by attendance? you've never been to an event where attendance was much higher than expected?

'mom
 
SD PokéMom said:
and how is OP supposed to magically 'know' how much prize support to send, if it's determined by attendance? you've never been to an event where attendance was much higher than expected?

'mom
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Ya I have. All the other games always order way higher prize support knowing that what even is not used they will be refunded for or be able to hold it for other events (how ever the TO wants to deal with the extra is there choice).
 
and of course in those 'other' games there's no TO fraud or other theft of product...and shipping of all that 'extra' product is free.

none of that will strain an already stretched-thin budget, nope...

'mom
 
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