Black and White Rules in Reguards to Naitonals

[meganium45]

Jimmy/Rob and the rest. In looking over the decks and the choices, how can you rationally decide it is acceptable to ban two of the cards (Sableye and Poketurn) which I AGREE need to be banned or restricted, and leave the felon out to roam (Uxie).

Removing all 3 of the cards from the game - Sableye, Poketurn and Uxie, would restore some balance to the force, and if you could only remove two - you would have to leave the Poketurn in.

Sableye and Uxie are the problem. Spritomb is a "partial" solution, but not a complete solution.

Without the engine, power, and FTKO ability of Sableye and Uxie, I think we would give evolution decks a bump, and certainly encourage longer games.

If the goal is to remove the shortest of short term games, which is the donk, which WILL drive people from the game, then Sableye and Uxie are the enemy. I will give up my consistant draw pixie to fix the format.

Vince

 

[cpeterik]

@ Vince and Jimmy- I think you're forgetting one of the biggest problem cards besides Uxie, Turn, and Sableye, and that is:
Unown Q. For two reasons- Now, if you start with anything besides your main attacker that doesn't have free retreat, you aren't donking. On the other end, it will now be impossible to open lone Unown Q and be extremely susceptible to the donk.

 

[bullados]

I still think that Cyrus is the biggest problem of the SP Engine, but both Uxie has been the bigger overall problem and, with the new rules, Sableye will become a big problem as well. Banning both wouldn't completely fix the format (SP would still dominate), but it would correct at least some part of the Donk problem.

 

[kamz]

is there any thing in black and white that helps solve this problem?

 

[Prime]

I still think that Cyrus is the biggest problem of the SP Engine, but both Uxie has been the bigger overall problem and, with the new rules, Sableye will become a big problem as well. Banning both wouldn't completely fix the format (SP would still dominate), but it would correct at least some part of the Donk problem.

That's the first thought that popped into my head when someone proposed banning Uxie/Sableye to balance the format.

SP decks would have every tool to their disposal and the decks would play much like Holon decks did in the past with the main supporter (Cyrus, was Holon Transceiver) tying everything together rather well.

Every other deck would suffer without Uxie draw and Sableye supporter help. Spiritomb is nice, but if you don't start with it and Collector, it doesn't accomplish much. I prefer Sableye to Spiritomb, but it's a shame that Sableye can be used in such a offensive way to warrant it's banning.

 

[baby mario]

I would rather have a format of nothing but SP than a format ruled by go-first-and-win donk decks.

 

[Cyrus]

I don't know if a ban is the most proper way to solve imbalance in the metagame, but regardless, I'd be very eager to see a format without Uxie.

Does that kill donk decks? No.

Does that kill donks altogether? No, and no ban ever will.

BUT...Does that bring some semblance of balance to the format, at a relatively meager expense? In my opinion, yes.

The loss of Uxie will finally give Machamp a less conditional win in its matchup vs SP, which would in turn bring more power back to the non-SP decks in the format. The only question is if the other non-SP decks could go toe-to-toe with SP...Something I'm not too sure on. If SP capitalizes on all of these decks no longer having Uxie, then...We go right back to where we were.

So in other words, don't cry out for a ban too quickly - it may turn out to not do much good in the end. (However, I fully recognize that Uxie is the heart of donks this format, so ignoring the option of a ban isn't a good idea either.)

 

[CFOURCOLTSFAN]

I'd say 3 cards should be banned/limited
Broken Time Space
Uxie
Sableye

Yes i realize this means the format will be SPs, but tbh i think most people would rather have LuxChomp etc. dominate than having all games be a t1 loss.
Or P!P could do the smart thing and just not do these rules until next year.

 

[vanderbilt_grad]

BTS isn't the problem. It's cheap attacks like Machamp, Kingdra, and Gengar have.

 

[StormFront]

Delaying the rules isn't possible. The only soloution is a mid-season rotation to HGSS-ON, sure it might annoy a lot of people, but its the only way to keep the format balanced.

 

[vegitalian]

I'd say 3 cards should be banned/limited
Broken Time Space
Uxie
Sableye
Cyrus' Conspiracy
Yes i realize this means the format will be SPs, but tbh i think most people would rather have LuxChomp etc. dominate than having all games be a t1 loss.
Or P!P could do the smart thing and just not do these rules until next year.

Please not another year of SPs - banning those 3 would only make SP nearly the only thing viable. If you're going to ban cards, at LEAST hit the SP engine.

 

[Cetra]

Honestly, either these rules aren't going to be as bad as people think they are or I'll have to agree that a mid season rotation should pry be implemented...

I mean nothing bad happened to japan, right?

 

[lucario aura wielder]

if donks and disruption is a good meta go hgss on

 

[Qwachansey]

Steelix anyone with Chansey? 90 HP starters...

 

[Box of Fail]

A banlist is too unnatural. Rotate up to PL and the donking is gone.

@Cetra: Japan is HGSS-on so they don't have Sableye.

 

[bullados]

Honestly, either these rules aren't going to be as bad as people think they are or I'll have to agree that a mid season rotation should pry be implemented...

I mean nothing bad happened to japan, right?

Japan didn't have the Platinum bloc in with these rules. They didn't have Sableye or Uxie either.

 

[Cetra]

you all misunderstand. I'm ABDICATING the HGSS cut because as far as I'm aware, Japan went through with the cut and nothing bad happened.

 

[vanderbilt_grad]

As a player I think that mid-season rotation to HGSS-on is the best possible solution. As a poke-dad who has to have cards for multiple decks I wouldn't mind a rotation. However I don't think that it's going to happen.

The powers that be work by a businesses model that's only partly based on copetitive play and even less so on what Japan does.

In all honesty I wish that we did things EXACTLY like Japan does as far as the way sets are released, packaging and all. Their starter decks, with shiny level X, Primes, etc. are far better than our Tins & starter decks. Their packs are better. Their card stock is better. In nealry every way Japan's product is superior to what we get.

I would be more than willing to try events done the Japanese way too. 30 card decks? Fine by me. Rotation event where you stand in line to play? Sure.

Do I ever think any of this will happen? Nope.

 

[Jaeger]

you all misunderstand. I'm ABDICATING the HGSS cut because as far as I'm aware, Japan went through with the cut and nothing bad happened.

If nothing else do it for Worlds. Having the best players have to "adapt" to a new format I think would make for an interesting tournament

 

[Naki Feralkin]

^ You're gonna have stragglers from Nationals winning off of the bad format who aren't part of the best at Worlds who will get owned by said adaptation and may just end up complaining about it.