Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Bluffing and SOTG

i think the message is: win honerably and honestly

integrity is a healthy habit, i fing that the 'natural bluff' is the only bluff i will do, other than that, i would give away nothing.
 
Lawman said:
The opponent doesnt have to believe you either. If they want to play that wager, they can or a different supporter. Trying to make the opponent THINK the card you need is prized, etc is part of the game. Many games are won or lost on the head games that have been used previously, sometimes many tourneys back.

Look at it this way...say player A lays down a TGW. Both shuffle hands in and as they shuffle, player B says....."I always throw rock" They play the game and A, thinking B will never throw rock, throws scissors thinking he will either tie him or beat the paper. Sure enough, B throws rock and crushes the scissors. Gamesmanship? Jedi mind games?? The TRUTH...OMG! Then, next wager gets played....B says.."you know, I always throw rock"....A thinks...I fell for that once, not twice....he is telling me the truth....he tosses paper to beat the rock and B tosses SCISSORS FTW. So....what now? I just laugh and think A got played twice by mind games. Any different than your scenario?? I dont really think so.

JMHO

Keith
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This surely isn't anyone you know? :biggrin:

ZING!!!!
 
Scipio said:
Imagine this scenario. My opponent is about to play a 4th Pokemon on his/her bench. What if at this point I remark, say, "Good, Dusknoir shall like that". Is that a lie?
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I'd say that falls into the "lie" category.

It's the "shall" that pushes it over the edge.
 
Sometimes if I dont play Dusknoir if they are about to lay down a 4th Pokemon, I would look very excited and look like im trying to keep my mouth shut and hold 3 cards out (for the Duskull, RC, and Dusknoir) and it worked once.
 
Lordofflareons said:
I love bluffing. Every game, if someone says, "did i attach yet?" i answer yes. "Did i evolve this turn?" Yes. The only person you can trust in a game is yourself and the judge. Just dont ask anything and only base wghat they mioght have in the hand on what you have seen, dont ask, " you got the x to win?"
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That is cheating, unless you tell the truth. Also, you clearly have no SOTG.
 
Ardoptres said:
That is cheating, unless you tell the truth. Also, you clearly have no SOTG.
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i back you on this one, this person, no offence to you mate, but this person clearly has no moral culture and maybe i dunno, he may think its bluffing. but i tell you now, this is clearly cheating and completely against most peoples moral integrity.
 
What if my opponent is making a tough decision and mutters, "well you probably just have the strength charm..." and in response I say "perhaps I don't play strength charm."? Is that lying? It doesn't seem like a lie to me. Every deck is (supposedly) unknown to the opponent, so therefore every deck "might play strength charm."

What if it is a direct question? If my opponent asks if I play Strength Charm and I answer "maybe," is that a lie?

What if someone KNOWS I play a certain tech pokemon in my deck, and they always see me search it out with Pachirisu, but yet while I'm playing them, I look through my deck during a Call for Family, sigh, and pull out another pokemon (perhaps I already had the tech in my hand)? Is that against SOTG?

I would consider all of the above situations bluffing, but yet I see no problem with them. You are not breaking any rules, and you're trying to give yourself an advantage in the game. These sort of tactics should, in my opinion, be considered legitimate strategies within the games. It is similar to the playing of a Crystal Shard or Strength Charm to give yourself an advantage in certain games.
 
Whicker said:
What if my opponent is making a tough decision and mutters, "well you probably just have the strength charm..." and in response I say "perhaps I don't play strength charm."? Is that lying? It doesn't seem like a lie to me. Every deck is (supposedly) unknown to the opponent, so therefore every deck "might play strength charm."

What if it is a direct question? If my opponent asks if I play Strength Charm and I answer "maybe," is that a lie?

What if someone KNOWS I play a certain tech pokemon in my deck, and they always see me search it out with Pachirisu, but yet while I'm playing them, I look through my deck during a Call for Family, sigh, and pull out another pokemon (perhaps I already had the tech in my hand)? Is that against SOTG?

I would consider all of the above situations bluffing, but yet I see no problem with them. You are not breaking any rules, and you're trying to give yourself an advantage in the game. These sort of tactics should, in my opinion, be considered legitimate strategies within the games. It is similar to the playing of a Crystal Shard or Strength Charm to give yourself an advantage in certain games.
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yes, but the first is common sense not to give your game away, specifically making bluff comments is really dumb, your answer was what id call a natural bluff
 
rhodesia123 said:
say someone didnt evolve yet, but they ask you and you say yes. they then attempt to evolve. do you stop them and say "no you already evolved this turn"? that seems wrong.

thats the one thing i hate about pokemon. other than memory, no way to keep track of attaching energy, evolving, using pokepowers, already used up your 1 retreat for the turn, etc.
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no i do not stop them. i just say yes in a laid back manner, and then they say, no didnt, they can go and put it down unless they really did evolve that turn.
 
SPARTA said:
I actually caught one of my opponents trying to lie to me, so I made sure one of my nearby friends was listening as I asked my opponent if I had attatched this turn. They said yes. I then proceded to call over a judge, and say VERY LOUDLY that my opponent had lied about attatching energy and violated the spirit of the game. There was nothing the judge could do, of course, but I had indirectly told everyone at the vicinity that my opponent was not to be trusted. I have not seen this player since. Dirty tricks work both ways people, it will ALWAYS come back to you.
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That's not breaking the rules, or really bluffing, but I like it. :cool:

There should be rulings against bluffing if it decieves the opponent into a card specific action. (Like not actualy playing Galactic's Wager, but indicating it.) Anything that they arn't allowed to do if a certain card or power isn't used.
Mind games, like the acting as if the card you searched for was prized are ok. They may make your opponent play differently, but they are allowed to do that no matter what, so you did not intentionaly decieve them.

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Whicker said:
What if it is a direct question? If my opponent asks if I play Strength Charm and I answer "maybe," is that a lie?
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"Maybe" means neither no or yes. So it wouldn't be lying at all. You are neither confirming or denying it.
 
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SotG requires that a player not lie.

It does not require you to answer questions that the opponent doesn't have the right to ask.

"Maybe" is a fine answer.
 
I find this whole topic intresting. While I'm new to Pokemon, I've been playing card games competatively for quite some time, and Bluffing is a very big part of the competative scene. Theres nothing like strategically getting my opponent to corner himself, without him even realizing it. Without bluffing, the game would be rather stale in my honest opinion.

As for the situation stated by Pokedad, I personaly feel that was a bad call. If the card had touched the table due to the opponent placing it there from his hand purposly, I just dont see how he didn't "Play it". Why would you ask your opponent if they knew what a card in your HAND does, unless you were playing it? I just don't buy that at all. That player cleary cheated the kid, and IMO should be banned from OP for poor sportsmanship, and I commend the kid for keeping his cool, and offering to shake the other players hand, cause had that been me, I probobly wouldnt have been so calm, and I KNOW I wouldnt have offered the player a handshake.
 
from magic the gathering:

"trickery" is not allowed.

"Trickery" are fake informations about game's mechanic.

let's take example of Crawdaunt EX.

a friend of mine had a card in his deck box in top-loader (so unsleeved) he made opponents think it was a reference for a card in his deck.

BTW if opponent asked it "is it a reference card?" a fake answer was not allowed since it is game material (if it is not game material is not necessary so not allowed)
 
DarthPika said:
I just never believe anything my opponent says, that way I can never get tricked.
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Thats probobly the best way to play it. I know a player for one of the games I play that in major events plays with the paper game mat from the starter decks. Quite a few times Ive seen people shocked that they are losing to him, not realizing he's the national champ.

I guess the statement "Believe half of what you see and nothing that you hear" is somewhat applicable in that case.
 
now i remember hearing that if your opponent asks you if they played energy/evolved this turn, and one or both of you arent sure, you can tell them the answer is yes.
i could be wrong though.
 
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