Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Bluffing and SOTG

Muscovy Level X said:
There should be rulings against bluffing if it decieves the opponent into a card specific action. (Like not actualy playing Galactic's Wager, but indicating it.) Anything that they arn't allowed to do if a certain card or power isn't used.
Mind games, like the acting as if the card you searched for was prized are ok. They may make your opponent play differently, but they are allowed to do that no matter what, so you did not intentionaly decieve them.
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That ruling is really the only way you could cover "bluffing". There's no way a fair rule could cover all the little mind games as well.
 
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P1 - "Did I play an energy this turn?"

P2 - "I don't know."

P1 - "I'll attach DRE to Gardy."

P2 - "You can't do that! You already attached this turn."

P1 - "Judge, my opponent is being dishonest."

So, Honesty is a pipe-dream. Just about anything you say can be twisted into a lie or untruth. Lawyers use such tactics all the time. Jesus knew that, so he remained silent during his trial.
 
SteveP said:
I caught you with 61 cards in your deck box, all sleeved alike, I'd give you a deck penalty.
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You can give me a penalty for what's in my deck box, before the game begins!?

GET THE HECK OUT OF HERE.

If you tried that, I would end up getting myself banned from the game.

The is retarded. With a capital TARD.

It's my lucky card - Prove me wrong.
 
7.6.4. Cheating
Cheating is the highest form of Unsporting Conduct that a player can display.
Players who intentionally commit infractions are looking to gain an unfair
advantage over other players at the event. The Head Judge should carefully
consider whether an infraction was intentional or not before applying this penalty.
If the Head Judge feels that an infraction was unintentional, this penalty
should not be applied.
Examples of Unsporting Conduct: Cheating include:
• Drawing extra cards.
• Taking cards from the discard pile and adding them to your hand or deck.
•Offering some form of compensation to an opponent for a concession.
• Altering match results after the conclusion of the match.
• Playing with marked cards.
• Lying to event staff.
• Modification of the Card-Dex to misrepresent official card text.
• Arbitrarily adjusting the Special Conditions or damage counters put on
any Pokémon in play.
• Use of dubious game actions intended to deceive your opponent into
making misplays.

Does this fit under this category?Kinda seems that way.
 
Nope. That's why I think Unsportsmanlike Conduct (gamesmanship) fits better. See the example about intimidation and distraction.
 
As a recent premier event I was helping judge, I witnessed a player using a bluffing tactic. At first, I merely considered it a strategic move. The bluff involved searching his deck, sighing in frustration, then pointing at his prizes and bench, making his opponent "think" that the cards he needed were prized. In reality, he actually retrieved the cards he needed and put them into his hand.
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Sounds like he was trying to deceive his opponent using unnecessary(dubious) actions. What would be a better example of the bolded text?
 
That would be something like the story that SD Pokemom linked. (Indicating the use of a card or power, tricking your opponent into following the effect, since the card wasn't actualy played.)
 
in the situation in the quotes above there was no unfair plays at all, unless if the player that searched his deck actually said that "x card is prized" or something, sighing and pointing does not constitute as unfair conduct
 
vietgamer1021 said:
in the situation in the quotes above there was no unfair plays at all, unless if the player that searched his deck actually said that "x card is prized" or something, sighing and pointing does not constitute as unfair conduct
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Agreed. You are neither lying or initiating a missplay.
 
• Use of dubious game actions intended to deceive your opponent into
making misplays.

Not a game action. Just a card I had in my box that I put in my pocket before the game started.
 
The Gorn said:
• Use of dubious game actions intended to deceive your opponent into
making misplays.

Not a game action. Just a card I had in my box that I put in my pocket before the game started.
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I quoted the rules guidelines not in response to you, but to bluffing.
 
Let me repeat.

I take my deck out of the box. That card is on top, face up.

Before shuffling, I put it into my pocket.

Now I shuffle.

It's not in the game, just in my box.

As for the sleeves, are you suggesting that if I have it in a different sleeve (or no sleeve at all, assuming my deck is sleeved), then it's a non-issue?
 
ColdCoates90 said:
Sounds like he was trying to deceive his opponent using unnecessary(dubious) actions. What would be a better example of the bolded text?
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Thats not cheating, your opponent doesn't have to believe you. I never would use such tactics on n00bs though, as I should be able to win with out them. :tongue:
 
The Gorn said:
Let me repeat.

I take my deck out of the box. That card is on top, face up.

Before shuffling, I put it into my pocket.

Now I shuffle.

It's not in the game, just in my box.

As for the sleeves, are you suggesting that if I have it in a different sleeve (or no sleeve at all, assuming my deck is sleeved), then it's a non-issue?
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Done like that, I don't see any rule violations.
 
PokePop said:
SotG requires that a player not lie.

It does not require you to answer questions that the opponent doesn't have the right to ask.

"Maybe" is a fine answer.
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What is your take on the first and third situations I outlined?

There are also many other ways to bluff, but I definitely don't have time to list them. However, the points I am trying to make are:
1. bluffing is a legitimate strategy in any game in which you/your opponent are dealing with incomplete information
2. even if there were to be rules against bluffing, it would be impossible to regulate, because there are several ways to not lie, while still playing mind games (such as answering "maybe").
 
The Gorn: If the sexy lobster (Craw EX) is sleeved the same as your deck and it sits on top of your deck, yes, you could be in trouble. That is why reference cards are sleeved differently than the deck, so there will be NO confusion.

Keith
 
i dont see how a bluff is cheating i mean if it goes to far then ya ive been bluffed and bluffed back i dont see whats worng

but out right lieing is just wrong i dont see why someone would lie *unless its yugioh JK lol* in this game i find this game fun to try to break the meta
 
Lawman said:
The Gorn: If the sexy lobster (Craw EX) is sleeved the same as your deck and it sits on top of your deck, yes, you could be in trouble. That is why reference cards are sleeved differently than the deck, so there will be NO confusion.
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That's a GREAT practice.

Is there anywhere in the rules that say that my proxies must be sleeved differently?

(Let me say right up front, it would be a great addition if it isn't in there.)
 
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