Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

Bluffing?

  • Attempting to manipulate a match through intimidation or distraction.
  • Use of dubious game actions intended to deceive your opponent into making misplays.

now I wonder where I might have seen those two written down.

As to "Oh shoot", well if it is a deliberate lie to fool your opponent then don't be surprised if you get hit with a penalty. Its not guaranteed that you will pick up a penalty (pesky intent) just as its not guaranteed that you will get away with the deception either.

Play clean, play honest, have fun. Try not to spoil your opponents enjoyment of the game.
 
Lawman said:
In fact, a SR player was DQ'd at Worlds last yr bc of this issue w/ Dusky. They didnt have Dusky in their deck and were 4-1 at the time of the DQ.
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ShadowCard said:
I thought it was because he had a reference for the wrong dusknoir. Like, he had a dusknoir in his deck but the reference he was using wasn't correct for the dusknoir in the deck.
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PokePop said:
Nope. He had no Dusknoir in the deck. It was a deck that often played Dusky.
The intent was to get the benefit of the opponent keeping their bench small without having to commit the deck slots to the actual cards.
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I thought you can bring whatever you want to a tournament.What if its your favorite card ad you like looking at pictures of it?
 
Wailord Master said:
I thought you can bring whatever you want to a tournament.What if its your favorite card ad you like looking at pictures of it?
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Sorry, this is the real world.
Authority figures fall for stuff like that on Disney Channel shows, not in real life.

You don't need to look at pictures of a card that is a common tech in the type of deck you play, but costs two valuable spots to fit it in, but that you can save those two spots by just making your opponent think you have it by just happening to have a "translation" copy of the card sitting on the table because its your favorite card.

If you can even get that out with a straight face without breaking up.

Check the Penalty Guidelines for Dubious Game Actions.
Penalty starts at Game Loss and moves quickly to Disqualification.
Play games with the integrity of the event and you won't be around long.
 
Honestly, the best "bluff" you can ever hope to benefit from is simply leaving your opponent to get twisted up in his/her own head:

Bluff a lack of skill, and your opponent will underestimate you.

Bluff omniscience, and your opponent will always be conservative in his/her playing.

Bluff a lack of creativity, and your opponent will be all the more surprised when you drop a secret tech in the middle of a game.

And the thing is...You can do all three of these things without getting anywhere near the grey area. The most respectable bluffs out there are when you let your opponent's own personality flaws/false prejudices take over and do the work.
 
As long as this topic has been re-opened:

Let's say I'm playing against an SP deck. I do not know if my opponent has a Power Spray in his hand or not. I announce a power. He says "hang on...nah, go ahead."

Assuming he did NOT have a Power Spray in his hand, would you consider this "lying?"

If you were a judge standing behind him, and you could clearly see that he didn't have a spray in his hand, how would you handle it?
 
Squidwina said:
As long as this topic has been re-opened:

Let's say I'm playing against an SP deck. I do not know if my opponent has a Power Spray in his hand or not. I announce a power. He says "hang on...nah, go ahead."

Assuming he did NOT have a Power Spray in his hand, would you consider this "lying?"

If you were a judge standing behind him, and you could clearly see that he didn't have a spray in his hand, how would you handle it?
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I think that would depend on how it was done. For instance, if they player in question has a 15 card hand, I wouldn't consider it suspicious in the slightest. Or if they had their hand sitting on the table. or stacked up.

However, if there's only one card in his hand and he Bebe'd for it last turn... Yeah, I'd call that intent to deceive.

The whole line between a good bluff and a desperate lie is really in the eye of the beholder. I mean, most bluffs are nonverbal. If you're bluffed to and fall for it, when you call over a Judge what will you say? "He raised his eyebrow in a way that made me think...." "She's sighed four times since her turn began!" "He taps the table and grins at me! Is he allowed to do that??!" etc., etc. Bottom line: People deceive. It's our nature. Masters division especially is rampant with great bluffers. We can't make rules on how people act for little or no purpose. Can you just see if we expanded the rules? "RULE NUMBER FOUR: No smiling without good reason! RULE NUMBER FIVE: I'll only look at the important cards in my hand!"

..............Yeah, that's real practical.
 
Squidwina said:
As long as this topic has been re-opened:

Let's say I'm playing against an SP deck. I do not know if my opponent has a Power Spray in his hand or not. I announce a power. He says "hang on...nah, go ahead."

Assuming he did NOT have a Power Spray in his hand, would you consider this "lying?"

If you were a judge standing behind him, and you could clearly see that he didn't have a spray in his hand, how would you handle it?
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How could that be construed as lying? The hand is not public knowledge and the player has the right to allow the opponent to believe he might have a Power Spray in hand. I'll always pause and look at my hand before saying "go ahead", and I did this even when I had a an SP build that didn't run Power Sprays. Now if I said, "hold on I'm deciding whether or not to Spray this", then I think you might have a case for a dubious game action.
 
PokePop said:
Sorry, this is the real world.
Authority figures fall for stuff like that on Disney Channel shows, not in real life.

You don't need to look at pictures of a card that is a common tech in the type of deck you play, but costs two valuable spots to fit it in, but that you can save those two spots by just making your opponent think you have it by just happening to have a "translation" copy of the card sitting on the table because its your favorite card.

If you can even get that out with a straight face without breaking up.

Check the Penalty Guidelines for Dubious Game Actions.
Penalty starts at Game Loss and moves quickly to Disqualification.
Play games with the integrity of the event and you won't be around long.
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I did this at states. I had a Uxie Lv.X card next to me that my little cousin gave to me as a good luck charm.

Although, I told all of my opponents that it was just a good luck charm, and not a translation for any card in my deck, and that my deck did not contain the card.

Had no problems what so ever.
 
MattPL said:
Although, I told all of my opponents that it was just a good luck charm, and not a translation for any card in my deck, and that my deck did not contain the card.
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...and that's the difference between you and the player i DQ'd at worlds, who had told me and at least one other judge in our group during different rounds that it WAS a translation...=/

'mom
 
SD PokéMom said:
...and that's the difference between you and the player i DQ'd at worlds, who had told me and at least one other judge in our group during different rounds that it WAS a translation...=/

'mom
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I didn't know that. If that were the case, then I would've DQ'd them as well, as that was a bold faced lie, not so much a "bluff."
 
MattPL said:
I did this at states. I had a Uxie Lv.X card next to me that my little cousin gave to me as a good luck charm.

Although, I told all of my opponents that it was just a good luck charm, and not a translation for any card in my deck, and that my deck did not contain the card.

Had no problems what so ever.
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I wouldn't try that at a State I was judging. I dont care if it is your lucky charm. Keep it in your deck box or bag. It can still be "lucky" there too!

Keith
 
MattPL said:
I did this at states. I had a Uxie Lv.X card next to me that my little cousin gave to me as a good luck charm.

Although, I told all of my opponents that it was just a good luck charm, and not a translation for any card in my deck, and that my deck did not contain the card.

Had no problems what so ever.
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Well, that's different.
This player intended to deceive their opponents and did not give them the knowledge that it was not a reference card. They just kept quiet and let them assume.
But as Lawman states, you could get into a heap of trouble over it, so best not to chance it.

"Keeping quiet" about it would not be a bluff. It would draw the penalty.
If you verbally advised your opponent's that it wasn't a translation, then you should be OK, but all you'd need is for one opponent to say "I had no idea if it was a translation or not" and you're toast.
 
Is it okay that I deliberately played a Japanese Psychic Energy in my deck and kept an English one as a translation on the side for the express purpose of deceiving my opponents into thinking that I had a valuable Japanese card in my deck? I never lied, but at the beginning of each match, I would tell my opponent that I had a foreign card in my deck and that I would be happy to show them the translation once I played said card. I assumed this would be fine as I did indeed have a foreign card, and I never answered a question dishonestly. However, I would hope that the fact that I could have easily played the English energy card does not mean I was violating some rule.

Would the result be changed had I put said energy in a toploader to make it seem more valuable?
 
Box of Fail said:
Is it okay that I deliberately played a Japanese Psychic Energy in my deck and kept an English one as a translation on the side for the express purpose of deceiving my opponents into thinking that I had a valuable Japanese card in my deck? I never lied, but at the beginning of each match, I would tell my opponent that I had a foreign card in my deck and that I would be happy to show them the translation once I played said card. I assumed this would be fine as I did indeed have a foreign card, and I never answered a question dishonestly. However, I would hope that the fact that I could have easily played the English energy card does not mean I was violating some rule.

Would the result be changed had I put said energy in a toploader to make it seem more valuable?
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A lawyer runs a stop sign and gets pulled over by a Sheriffs Deputy. He thinks that he is smarter than the Deputy because he is sure that he has a better education. He decides to prove this to himself and have some fun at the deputies expense.

Deputy says, "License and registration, please."

Lawyer says, "What for?"

Deputy says, "You didn't come to a complete stop at the stop sign"

Lawyer says, "I slowed down, and no one was coming."

Deputy says, "You still didn't come to a complete stop. License and registration, please."

Lawyer says, "What's the difference?"

Deputy says, "The difference is you have to come to a complete stop, that's the law. License and registration, please!"

Lawyer says, "If you can show me the legal difference between slow down and stop, I'll give you my license and registration and you give me the ticket, if not you let me go and no ticket."

Deputy says, "Exit your vehicle, sir."

At this point, the deputy takes out his nightstick and starts beating the ever-loving snot out of the lawyer and says "Do you want me to stop or just slow down?"
 
It means that if you push the edge of what you can do, don't be surprised if you get (figuratively) whacked upside the head by a cop (judge).

Personally, I'd get a laugh out of the energy card thing.
Another judge might DQ you over it.
 
PokePop said:
It means that if you push the edge of what you can do, don't be surprised if you get (figuratively) whacked upside the head by a cop (judge).

Personally, I'd get a laugh out of the energy card thing.
Another judge might DQ you over it.
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its not like the guy did anything wrong though.
 
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