Boundaries Crossed Scans!

[Shino Bug Master]

They could've reprinted helpful stuff, like Random Reciever, Catcher and Eviolite.

 

[vaporeon]

I don't mind the sets having reprints alongside new content. It would be nice for each set having 20+ trainers.

 

[PokemonTrader]

Why don't people like Sugimori artwork? I find it AWESOME!

 

[vaporeon]

Why don't people like Sugimori artwork? I find it AWESOME!

I don't like it because concept art should not be used for production of goods unless you have a in game mode showing the production stages of character development or a section on a book (game guides and related art books) that shows the concept art for the series. . Concept art should be used for references only.

When Pokemon uses it, it just seems lazy. I don't really like stock art on cards and thats what Sugimori's artwork is.

 

[King Piplup]

They could've reprinted helpful stuff, like Random Reciever, Catcher and Eviolite.

What bothers me is that they chose to include Rocky Helmet, but excluded its counterpart in the Keldeo Strength Deck-Eviolite.

I really don't like that they took 1 of an obvious pair (the clearly lesser one AND the one that has a Shiny reprint in the set) and left the other out.

 

[Furn]

Why don't people like Sugimori artwork? I find it AWESOME!

Because the exact same images are already used on every other piece of merchandise and packaging.

 

[Doctor Conkey]

Why don't people like Sugimori artwork? I find it AWESOME!

Sugimori artwork is equivalent to copying a picture from google and pasting it onto Microsoft Paint. It is nothing special, even an 8 year old can make a pokemon card by copying a picture and pasting it to a background. Sugimori's artwork was already used in Player's guides for the DS games and in the magazines. I just don't like recycled images, especially when we are paying money for an image we saw before and for free. (assuming you did not buy the magazine or player's guide in the store)

Also, I do not get why Voltorb was pasted onto a forest background for the boundaries crossed set. It would have been more creative if it were pasted near a power plant in real life. Is it a floating voltorb flying above the forest? Eh, it does not matter. Sugimori art IMO is lazy and already used.

 

[zaszeal]

These statements...

Maybe a few folks would be upset about not having FA Skyla, but that doesn't have any amount of bearing on TCPI reprinting cards that were not needed, and cutting potentially game changing cards like escape rope, ether, and bicycle.

The COL thing doesn't make a bit of sense either. Cutting new cards from the set and reprinting old card seems like something that would actually cause another COL set.

The obvious solution would be to literally print the exact same sets as Japan, but of course that will never happen.

In general dropping cards from a set is never going to be looked upon by the player base as an acceptable thing.

My biggest gripe though is the idea that we have to deal with the "fluff". We should NOT have to deal with the fluff. There should NOT be fluff. Pokemon as a card game has the most ridiculous % of cards that will never be used. No other card game has 75-85% of their sets being comprised of unplayable cards.

/rant

tl;dr; TPCI should never cut cards from our sets we should get the exact same sets as Japan(we wont). Fluff cards should not exist in such high proportions(They will forever).
We mad...

i am played mtg for 5 years now and when they release a new set of 150-250 cards or so there may only be 25-30 that see any real play. you have to remember that when they are making a new set it is the league players they have in mind. the good cards are just treat for us. it is the same for mtg and i bet it is the same for yugioh

 

[vaporeon]

The huge thing is MTG has many other sanction formats rights? So if a card is not good for the highest level of play, they may be good in a 'less' competitive or different format. Same with Yugioh, with their huge card pool, any deck can been made. Pokemon only has 1 sanction format. The only tournaments are highest level of play. If Pokemon had other sanction formats (Common/Uncommon-Common/Uncommon/Rare and or holo, draft etc), then the less powerful card can see play.

Pokemon does not recognize any other format other then modified and thats a problem. Its also evident with the reprinting of Bill as a supporter and Computer Search. Its like disrespect to the game.

 

[zaszeal]

The huge thing is MTG has many other sanction rights? So if a card s not good for the highest level of play, they may be good in a 'less' competitive or different format. Same with Yugioh, with their huge card pool, and deck can been made. Pokemon only has 1 sanction format. The only tournaments are highest level of play. If Pokemon had other sanction formats (Common/Uncommon-Common/Uncommon/Rare and or holo, draft etc), then the less powerful card can see play.

Pokemon does not recognize any other format other then modified and thats a problem. Its also evident with the reprinting of Bill as a supporter and Computer Search. Its like disrespect to the game.

there are are a few play styles but even then vast majority of cards are not playable. in mtg you may get 1 card every set that sees play in the legacy format and 3-4 cards that see play in modern format. and is is very hard to find people to play eather format. as far as draft you take what you can get and build a deck you only play 3 rounds with.

 

[Diaz]

there are are a few play styles but even then vast majority of cards are not playable. in mtg you may get 1 card every set that sees play in the legacy format and 3-4 cards that see play in modern format. and is is very hard to find people to play eather format. as far as draft you take what you can get and build a deck you only play 3 rounds with.

Don't they use limited as a competitive format though?

 

[bullados]

Don't they use limited as a competitive format though?

Here's the difference between Magic Limited and Pokemon LImited.

In Magic Limited, there is no such thing as a useless card. Sure, there are cards that are not as good as other cards. But every card (or nearly every card) can be played.

In a Pokemon Limited event, you can be almost certain that about 30% of the cards that you pull cannot possibly be played in any deck that you might want to put together.

The reason for this?

Pokemon has a concept of Evolution that is central, nay, VITAL to the core of the game. Magic does not.

There is a fan-made semi-fix to this called the Mutant format, but it'll never be run officially by the Pokemon Company. It will only and always remain a fan-only thing. That being said, I LOVE running these things, as I think they're just about the most skill-based format that Pokemon can possibly deliver, on both ends of the spectrum.

 

[zaszeal]

Don't they use limited as a competitive format though?

they do but i guess i should should said earlier that i was comparing constructed formats. saying something is good in limited is like saying something is good for league play. in limited most cards will see play. not because they are the best of the best but because they are what you happen to have. at the store i play at most of our limited players don't even bother to take the cards they drafted home they just leave them on the table. unless it is a moony card that is

---------- Post added 10/21/2012 at 08:01 PM ----------

Here's the difference between Magic Limited and Pokemon LImited.

In Magic Limited, there is no such thing as a useless card. Sure, there are cards that are not as good as other cards. But every card (or nearly every card) can be played.

In a Pokemon Limited event, you can be almost certain that about 30% of the cards that you pull cannot possibly be played in any deck that you might want to put together.

The reason for this?

Pokemon has a concept of Evolution that is central, nay, VITAL to the core of the game. Magic does not.

There is a fan-made semi-fix to this called the Mutant format, but it'll never be run officially by the Pokemon Company. It will only and always remain a fan-only thing. That being said, I LOVE running these things, as I think they're just about the most skill-based format that Pokemon can possibly deliver, on both ends of the spectrum.

you summed it far better then i could have. also mutant format sounds like fun. going to have to do some goggling now

 

[pokemonrocks777]

Why is Everyone talking about a different card Game on a Pokemon website... Back on Topic please I would hate to see this be ruined for everyone.
Here are some of the cards I find that seem to be playable so far (if we get them)


Vileplume (ability make basically every a 1HKO) already Confirmed
Pignite (not really Playable but the retreat cost went down by one) Already confirmed
Charizard (the new Infernape E4) Confirmed
Jelliscent + Bellosom (Ability of Jelliscent + Grass not) both not Confirmed
Cress EX (being able to heal as an ex is big could save you from 2 prizes) Not confirmed
Munna + musharna (Munna is going to be annoying Musharna can use an attack while sleeping which is good and just have to find a Card to put it asleep..) Munna confirmed Musarna not
Metoella (good 1st attack for High energy attacking pokemon) Not Confirmed
Lunatone (the new "pokedex" but put them both on top) Not confirmed
Meinsho (possible 140 + fliptini) Not confirmed
Landorus (Really Hopeing for this card) CONFIRMED
Flygon (ability is the only good thing i see on this) Promo Confirmed
Black Kyruem (propbally everyone will play this) Confirmed
Raticate (maybe a tech?) Probally will be Confirmed
Lopanny (one enery to heal 60 to each of your pokemon?!?!?!?! +flip tini) Confirmed


escape rope (THE NEW WARP POINT) probally not going to be in this set
Town Map (trainer Galade?)

Hugh (playable can either be good or bad) Confirmed
FA Cheren (hoping to be in this set) not confirmed


Virbank City Gym (Poison becomes playable with Accagor dark explorers) I think Will be confirmed (New to black 2 white2 video game)


Gold Potion (good but not the best) Confirmed
Crystal Wall (Broken it makes Black Kyurem Really Good) Confirmed

SR rocky Helment (upgrade all of them) Probally Confirmed




Ice Burn (Part 2)
Tangrowth (able to do 30-60 T2 not bad) Confirmed
Celebi EX (good in a stage 2 deck as a tech) Not confirmed
Levanny (good for 1 energy to dicard all the energy on the Defending Pokemon +Fliptini) Not Confirmed
Camperunt (burn for sure and can try to Para + fliptini) Not Confirmed.
Blastoise (Rain Dance Returns) Confirmed
Golduck (+ blastoise otherwise Worthless) Confirmed
Keldeo EX (+ Blastoise other wise wothless unless your high retreat cost pokemon with nothing on it gets Catchered Up then you can use ability to "Free retreat it" then attach then Retreat for one needs Skyarrow Bridge) Not Confirmed
Electivire (seems good with eels) Confirmed
Gaventula (+eels) Not Confirmed
Dusknoir (+ Flygon) Confirmed
Toxicroak (Mewtwo's Nightmare?) Confirmed
Swobat (+ Gardivoir and agrron) Confirmed
solrock (+ Dark explorers volcarona) Not Confirmed
Conk (OK card) not confirmed
Crustle (can not get one shoted)
Scizors ( interesting Against EXs) Not Confirmed
Skymar (different Text wording i Thought to point this out) Confirmed
White Kyurem EX (not as playable Black Kyurem) Confirmed
Ditto (tech?) Confirmed
Exploud (good card) Not confirmed
Sountland (Interesting Card for no supporters) Confirmed

Bicycle (good) not Confirmed
Ether (possible Combos with Luneatone) Not Confirmed

Skyla (Probally need in every deck) Confirmed
FA Bianca (very playable) Not confirmed

Asparita gym (good for Tornadus EX) Not Confirmed

SR alt (Good with white and Black Kyerum
SR Terrakion (Very Playable) Not confirmed

Computer Search (good Card) Confirmed

Cards in the English set
Rocky Helment (cause of the gold Helment)
Potions (can save you from a Possible 1 or 2 Prizes

this is just My Idea on the set and possibles Combos (not all MetaGame Deck Ideas).

 

[Widdi]

Setlist Speculation:

1/149 Oddish
2/149 Gloom
3/149 Vileplume
4/149 Bellossom
5/149 Tanglela
6/149 Tangrowth
7/149 Scyther
8/149 Heracross
9/149 Celebi-EX
10/149 Combee
11/149 Vespiquen
12/149 Shaymin
13/149 Snivy
14/149 Servine
15/149 Serperior
16/149 Petilil
17/149 Lilligant
18/149 Charmander
19/149 Charmeleon
20/149 Charizard
21/149 Numel
22/149 Camerupt
23/149 Victini
24/149 Tepig
25/149 Pignite
26/149 Emboar
27/149 Darumaka
28/149 Darmanitan
29/149 Squirtle
30/149 Wartortle
31/149 Blastoise
32/149 Psyduck
33/149 Psyduck
34/149 Golduck
35/149 Golduck
36/149 Marill
37/149 Azumarill
38/149 Delibird
39/149 Oshawott
40/149 Dewott
41/149 Samurott
42/149 Ducklett
43/149 Swanna
44/149 Frillish
45/149 Jellicent
46/149 Cryogonal
47/149 Keldeo
48/149 Keldeo
49/149 Keldeo-EX
50/149 Pikachu
51/149 Voltorb
52/149 Electrode
53/149 Electabuzz
54/149 Electivire
55/149 Chinchou
56/149 Blitzle
57/149 Zebstirka
58/149 Wobbuffet
59/149 Spoink
60/149 Grumpig
61/149 Duskull
62/149 Dusclops
63/149 Dusknoir
64/149 Croagunk
65/149 Croagunk
66/149 Toxicroak
67/149 Cresselia-EX
68/149 Munna
69/149 Musharna
70/149 Woobat
71/149 Swoobat
72/149 Venipede
73/149 Whirlipede
74/149 Scolipede
75/149 Gothita
76/149 Gothorita
77/149 Melloetta
78/149 Sandshrew
79/149 Sandslash
80/149 Gligar
81/149 Gliscor
82/149 Makuhita
83/149 Trapinch
84/149 Dweeble
85/149 Crustle
86/149 Meinfoo
87/149 Meinfoo
88/149 Meinshao
89/149 Landorus-EX
90/149 Purrloin
91/149 Liepard
92/149 Vullaby
93/149 Mandibuzz
94/149 Scizor
95/149 Skarmory
96/149 Skarmory
97/149 Klink
98/149 Vibrava
99/149 Flygon
100/149 Black Kyurem
101/149 Black Kyurem-EX
102/149 White Kyurem
103/149 White Kyurem-EX
104/149 Rattata
105/149 Raticate
106/149 Meowth
107/149 Farfetch'd
108/149 Ditto
109/149 Snorlax
110/149 Togepi
111/149 Dunsparce
112/149 Taillow
113/149 Skitty
114/149 Delcatty
115/149 Spinda
116/149 Buneary
117/149 Lopunny
118/149 Patrat
119/149 Watchog
120/149 Lillipup
121/149 Herdier
122/149 Stoutland
123/149 Pidove
124/149 Tranquill
125/149 Unfezant
126/149 Audino
127/149 Aspertia City Gym
128/149 Energy Search
129/149 Great Ball
130/149 Hugh
131/149 Poke Ball
132/149 Potion
133/149 Rocky Helmet
134/149 Skyla
135/149 Switch
136/149 Town Map
137/149 Computer Search
138/149 Crystal Edge
139/149 Crystal Wall
140/149 Gold Potion
141/149 Celebi-EX (Full Art)
142/149 Keldeo-EX (Full Art)
143/149 Cresselia-EX (Full Art)
144/149 Landorus-EX (Full Art)
145/149 Black Kyurem-EX (Full Art)
146/149 White Kyurem-EX (Full Art)
147/149 Bianca (Full Art)
148/149 Cheren (Full Art)
149/149 Skyla (Full Art)
150/149 Golurk (Shiny)
151/149 Terrakion (Shiny)
152/149 Altaria (Shiny)
153/149 Rocky Helmet (Shiny)

Cut Cards:
Sewaddle
Swadloon
Levanny
Cottonee
Whimsicott
Swinub
Piloswine
Mammoswine
Joltik
Galvantula
Lunatone
Solrock
Riolu
Lucario
Timburr
Gurdurr
Conkledurr
Whismur
Loudred
Exploud
Bicycle
Escape Rope
Ether
Virbank City Gym

*Sad Face*

 

[pokemonrocks777]

Setlist Speculation:

[insert set list here]

Cut Cards:
Sewaddle
Swadloon
Levanny
Cottonee
Whimsicott
Swinub
Piloswine
Mammoswine
Joltik
Galvantula
Lunatone
Solrock
Riolu
Lucario
Timburr
Gurdurr
Conkledurr
Whismur
Loudred
Exploud
Bicycle
Escape Rope
Ether
Virbank City Gym

*Sad Face*

even though it says "set spec" I just want to know
Do you know this for a fact or is this just you opion

 

[Duce]

reprinting catcher would be a nice bonus, but I suspect it would ruin sales of previous set

 

[kachitta]

Diagram with Boundaries Crossed speculation setlist can be found here on pokemontcg.cz.
Included sets: Freeze Bolt, Cold Flare, Keldeo Battle Strength Deck and National Beginning Set, included are also FA Skyla and White & Black Kyurem non-EX english exclusives.
Cyan = confirmed cards.

 

[pokemonrocks777]

Diagram with Boundaries Crossed speculation setlist can be found here on pokemontcg.cz.
Included sets: Freeze Bolt, Cold Flare, Keldeo Battle Strength Deck and National Beginning Set, included are also FA Skyla and White & Black Kyurem non-EX english exclusives.
Cyan = confirmed cards.

Have you all had a prerelease?

 

[kachitta]

Have you all had a prerelease?

Confirmed cards are from pokebeach scans and various forums posts. Czech Republic prereleases are held on 3rd November...