Charizard AoA: A Firestorm Production Article!

[calisupra2nr]

I think Blaziken could be a great way to do big big damage for low energy. However, I am inclined to believe that the user will spend more time focusing on setting up Blaziken than expending trainers for Zard. I will play around with it and I encourage you to do the same.

 

[afstandopleren]

Oh I am going to play around with it. I'm sure that PokeRadar and some deck thinning stuff will be nice in such deck. I'm thinking along the lines of 2-1 or 2-2 Blaze FB and 2-1-2 Blaze PL to ensure you can get them out while not being that deck heavy.

 

[calisupra2nr]

Oh I am going to play around with it. I'm sure that PokeRadar and some deck thinning stuff will be nice in such deck.

Quickballs are a great way to pull out any deck that uses more Pokemon for setup. In my previous FlyDon deck I was recommended to use those over Radars and it made a world of difference. In Charizard, I am playing around with a couple different trainer options.

 

[afstandopleren]

Why not both Quick and Radar? Quick thins the deck and any leftover pokes can be gotten with Radar. I don't know why, but I'm always attracted to the fact that it's able to pull out multiple pokes.

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

A few comments:
Where was Flydon successful?
Why are you running Rapitrash AoA? Blaziken PT produces a better Gengar Matchup, and can induce more lulz.
You should look into Pachirisu to fill your bench up faster, and help the Palkia matchup.
You should consider SSU given that your main attacker can hit for 50-70 for 1 realistically. In a similar vein, 4 PP and 1 Buck's or sommat ought be given consideration.

 

[calisupra2nr]

Why not both Quick and Radar? Quick thins the deck and any leftover pokes can be gotten with Radar. I don't know why, but I'm always attracted to the fact that it's able to pull out multiple pokes.

Well that takes a good amount of space in the Trainer section, but it definitely has its payoffs.

A few comments:
Where was Flydon successful?
Why are you running Rapitrash AoA? Blaziken PT produces a better Gengar Matchup, and can induce more lulz.
You should look into Pachirisu to fill your bench up faster, and help the Palkia matchup.
You should consider SSU given that your main attacker can hit for 50-70 for 1 realistically. In a similar vein, 4 PP and 1 Buck's or sommat ought be given consideration.

FlyDon was taken to a couple BR's but I did not have time to attend Nationals. It was good for its purpose (fun deck that actually was able to compete with archetypes).
RapiDASH (since spelling owns you) is a good SP tech that provides a quick (Stage 1) bench filler to power Zard's body. It is also pivotal in being able to counter non invasive SP's (ie everything but Luxray and Infernape). Blaziken is a good possibility (have not tested yet).

Pachirisu... I will pass on having 3-4 just for the start and then taking away from Zard's body.
SSU good idea.
4PP maybe a good idea.

Thanks

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

1. What BRs did Flydon win to even say it had some success.
2. That misspelling was intentional.
3. One Pachirisu, my friend, just one. What made you think I meant more?

 

[calisupra2nr]

1. What BRs did Flydon win to even say it had some success.
2. That misspelling was intentional.
3. One Pachirisu, my friend, just one. What made you think I meant more?

Well, just search for some kids 1st place BR report using FlyDon. My BR was central Ohio (I did not do a report). Please stop trolling and discussing that deck, I am looking for serious input concerning Charizard. You can not even be taken seriously enough to spell Rapidash right, why would I expect you to be intelligent?

As for Pachi, if you expect me to fill my bench with him (which a trainer engine and drawing engine can do for me mid to late game) you must be implying starting with him. Which also implies using 3-4 to actually expect to start with him. Oh yeah, it also means taking away from bench space Zard needs. Thanks.

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

Well, just search for some kids 1st place BR report using FlyDon. My BR was central Ohio (I did not do a report). Please stop trolling and discussing that deck, I am looking for serious input concerning Charizard. You can not even be taken seriously enough to spell Rapidash right, why would I expect you to be intelligent?

As for Pachi, if you expect me to fill my bench with him (which a trainer engine and drawing engine can do for me mid to late game) you must be implying starting with him. Which also implies using 3-4 to actually expect to start with him. Oh yeah, it also means taking away from bench space Zard needs. Thanks.

Let the record show that I am entirely capable of spelling Rapidash correctly. To say "spell it right" is improper, as you'd be using an adjective, "right", to modify a verb, "spell". Clearly you aren't intelligent enough to post decks if you can't even follow basic rules of English properly.

As for Pachi, I implied running one of him a means to fill your bench, akin to a fifth Call Energy. He also helps the Palkia-Lock matchup by killing aleins and doesn't afraid of anything. Pardon me for assuming that if I referenced a card to be used in the same function as it was in a preponderance of decks since States (as a one-of-tech), that anyone would misunderstand me and think I was implying 3-4. I will buy you a card from Hallmark to apologize. What's your name and address and I'll put it in the mail tomorrow.

As for the mid-to-late game that you're referencing to with your engine, I'd recommend maxing out Poke Radar and Dusk Ball in addition to your other stuff, or at least running thick sets of both. Otherwise, you'd essentially be playing a bench-heavy version of Kingdra with a bad weakness for which there exist fewer counters that could be fit within your deck. The good news is that you could probably OHKO Flygon, however the whole BTS thing giving them immunity means that if you don't go second you can't lay down BTS (you attach second energy, they go attach second energy, sand wall pitch BTS, you can't KO that turn assuming you haven't done so already).

Given your current list, cards like Azelf are completely unneeded - you have no one-ofs that merit retrieval via time-walk, and given that you are already fretting bench space, it's not worth the odds of starting with it relative to the odds of prizing two Claydol or something similar. Ditto for Uxie. Especially including Pachi (hence five possible Call-esque starts) you'd be better served by a second Luxury Ball. Even though it creates one dead draw, it'd greatly increase the chances of you hitting T2 Claydol. If you'd rather not do that, pack a few draw supporters for if you get power locked.

Not to mention there's SSU. Thanks.

 

[ryanvergel]

I like the idea. However in most cases its nice just to have azelf in case you had an anomaly such as 3 Zard's prized. But I will certainly look into trying it out in some battles.

Well I like the deck no matter what BR displays and waiting for the set means less time to practice with and that does not make much sense. As for Palkia, his matchup is very accurate to what the standard lock deck runs. He can not do anything to Rapidash but snipe my bench which requires the discard of 2 water. I can do consistent damage with Rapidash quicker than Palkia can ruin my bench. There have been a few battles that I have been locked early and could use the non-shiny AoA Ponyta which searches for an evolution and places it onto Ponyta and I am currently discussing switching that in for setup purposes. Thanks though!

Palkia can play Luxray?
or use a non-X palkia?

zzzzz

what is flydon? donphan?

 

[calisupra2nr]

Let the record show that I am entirely capable of spelling Rapidash correctly. To say "spell it right" is improper, as you'd be using an adjective, "right", to modify a verb, "spell". Clearly you aren't intelligent enough to post decks if you can't even follow basic rules of English properly.

As for Pachi, I implied running one of him a means to fill your bench, akin to a fifth Call Energy. He also helps the Palkia-Lock matchup by killing aleins and doesn't afraid of anything. Pardon me for assuming that if I referenced a card to be used in the same function as it was in a preponderance of decks since States (as a one-of-tech), that anyone would misunderstand me and think I was implying 3-4. I will buy you a card from Hallmark to apologize. What's your name and address and I'll put it in the mail tomorrow.

As for the mid-to-late game that you're referencing to with your engine, I'd recommend maxing out Poke Radar and Dusk Ball in addition to your other stuff, or at least running thick sets of both. Otherwise, you'd essentially be playing a bench-heavy version of Kingdra with a bad weakness for which there exist fewer counters that could be fit within your deck. The good news is that you could probably OHKO Flygon, however the whole BTS thing giving them immunity means that if you don't go second you can't lay down BTS (you attach second energy, they go attach second energy, sand wall pitch BTS, you can't KO that turn assuming you haven't done so already).

Given your current list, cards like Azelf are completely unneeded - you have no one-ofs that merit retrieval via time-walk, and given that you are already fretting bench space, it's not worth the odds of starting with it relative to the odds of prizing two Claydol or something similar. Ditto for Uxie. Especially including Pachi (hence five possible Call-esque starts) you'd be better served by a second Luxury Ball. Even though it creates one dead draw, it'd greatly increase the chances of you hitting T2 Claydol. If you'd rather not do that, pack a few draw supporters for if you get power locked.

Not to mention there's SSU. Thanks.

Don't get so upset . I hope you can make it in college with your "outstanding grammar". As for Pachi, I just have never been a fan of 1 tech that is useless after T1 unless your against water. You are absolutely correct about Azelf and Uxie, although Uxie is probably going to stay. I like Pokeradar and quickballs. Duskballs are just not my cup of tea.

Palkia can play Luxray?
or use a non-X palkia?

zzzzz

what is flydon? donphan?

Who are you? Poor kid must be lost.

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

I'm not upset. You'll notice my replies are more or less set in an equilibrium of tone with yours; I start off trolling you about a bad deck, mix in some good advice for your current deck, and I have instant entertainment.

If you bump up to a 3-3 Claydol line for consistency, esp. given the high poke count a deck like this should have, Dusk Ball can be pretty pro given you have nothing really "better" to do with the spaces. Having tested Dusk Ball v. Quick Ball extensively, about the only deck I ever found quick ball somewhat better in was DP-Pt Weavile/Honchkrow toolbox SP variants, but that's when they had the space. I've used Pachi as a one-of, so did Jay and Sami IIRC. Clearly they're bad players that use a situational tech that's dead after T1.

And Ryan is clearly such a little kid, given both his professor logo and moderator status.

 

[ryanvergel]

Don't get so upset . I hope you can make it in college with your "outstanding grammar". As for Pachi, I just have never been a fan of 1 tech that is useless after T1 unless your against water. You are absolutely correct about Azelf and Uxie, although Uxie is probably going to stay. I like Pokeradar and quickballs. Duskballs are just not my cup of tea.

Who are you? Poor kid must be lost.

You're making these ridiculous assertions that need to be called out. Palkia can't do anything to your rapidash? Why would they level it up!? Why wouldn't they use Luxray X to bring up a benched pokemon (charizard) if they use Luxray (many do)?!

Yhy use call energy over other energy? they are only good t1 or when you have a bad start/specific match (same comparison)?

I guess I'm some scrub because I haven't heard of FlyDon? I'm 21. Good age IMO!

 

[prodigal_fanboy]

Ryan - Rapidash AoA prevents damage from all SP, so Palkia G couldn't hit it either. Uxie X or Mewtwo counters could.

 

[calisupra2nr]

I'm not upset. You'll notice my replies are more or less set in an equilibrium of tone with yours; I start off trolling you about a bad deck, mix in some good advice for your current deck, and I have instant entertainment.

If you bump up to a 3-3 Claydol line for consistency, esp. given the high poke count a deck like this should have, Dusk Ball can be pretty pro given you have nothing really "better" to do with the spaces. Having tested Dusk Ball v. Quick Ball extensively, about the only deck I ever found quick ball somewhat better in was DP-Pt Weavile/Honchkrow toolbox SP variants, but that's when they had the space. I've used Pachi as a one-of, so did Jay and Sami IIRC. Clearly they're bad players that use a situational tech that's dead after T1.

And Ryan is clearly such a little kid, given both his professor logo and moderator status.

Mk coming from the kid with the grovyle deck... I will continue to pass on most of your advice.

You're making these ridiculous assertions that need to be called out. Palkia can't do anything to your rapidash? Why would they level it up!? Why wouldn't they use Luxray X to bring up a benched pokemon (charizard) if they use Luxray (many do)?!

Yhy use call energy over other energy? they are only good t1 or when you have a bad start/specific match (same comparison)?

I guess I'm some scrub because I haven't heard of FlyDon? I'm 21. Good age IMO!

Wow 21! You age me by about 6 months you old guru. 4 Call energy VS 1 Pachi...are you even in college? Why do you keep talking about leveling up Palkia. That does not help him either way against Rapidash... As for Luxray, OK I never argued against Luxray... As for FlyDon, well I don't know you posted in the thread. I am not going to theorize on your degenerating memory functions. Luckily Pokemon can be played by simpletons.

 

[ryanvergel]

Mk coming from the kid with the grovyle deck... I will continue to pass on most of your advice.

Wow 21! You age me by about 6 months you old guru. 4 Call energy VS 1 Pachi...are you even in college? Why do you keep talking about leveling up Palkia. That does not help him either way against Rapidash... As for Luxray, OK I never argued against Luxray... As for FlyDon, well I don't know you posted in the thread. I am not going to theorize on your degenerating memory functions. Luckily Pokemon can be played by simpletons.

4 vs 1. Thus justification of the 4 is to increase consistency, so why not a fifth, being a pachirisu, who fits the same logical category type as call energy (good t1 only, or against specific matchups/bad starts. There is no reason why you would logically justify using 4 call energy but oppose a pachirisu.


As for Luxray what? One can ignore Rapitrash entirely and focus on the bench, or use a Dialga and stop the poke-body-these are the two main ways palkia are run, and they both get around your useless tech. You argued that a Palkia player could only snipe, when that point is completely dismantled by my counterpoints.

You're 20, so are you in collge? Do you understand logic or how to formulate a cohesive argument?

Well the time has arrived to start publishing the newest deck in development and testing, and after the controversial (but successful) FlyDon

So I ask, again, what is FlyDon? My degenerating memory? Are you stupid?

Back to back posts merged. The following information has been added:

Ryan - Rapidash AoA prevents damage from all SP, so Palkia G couldn't hit it either. Uxie X or Mewtwo counters could.

Had him confused with the other bad rapidash for a moment. But yes, dialga and luxray, the companions of palkia G, instantly refute that point.

 

[calisupra2nr]

4 vs 1. Thus justification of the 4 is to increase consistency, so why not a fifth, being a pachirisu, who fits the same logical category type as call energy (good t1 only, or against specific matchups/bad starts. There is no reason why you would logically justify using 4 call energy but oppose a pachirisu.

Why do I keep talking about Palkia leveling up? I don't know, maybe because leveling up removes special conditions? Maybe Palkia, often paired with Dialga, will shut off your cute poke-body?

As for Luxray what? One can ignore Rapitrash entirely and focus on the bench- you argued that a Palkia player could only snipe, when that point is completely dismantled by my counterpoints.

You're 20, so are you in collge? Do you understand logic or how to formulate a cohesive argument?




So I ask, again, what is FlyDon? My degenerating memory? Are you stupid?

A degenerative disease causes slow deterioration, and since you posted in my FlyDon thread and yet still can not recall much, I can only assume. Dialga was your way out of looking stupid. Leveling up Palkia does nothing for you and only proves you still do not know what your talking about even after Prodigal tried to help you. Do not lecture me on logic and argument, I am not majoring in the profession of wasting time. Good Night.

 

[ryanvergel]

A degenerative disease causes slow deterioration, and since you posted in my FlyDon thread and yet still can not recall much, I can only assume. Dialga was your way out of looking stupid. Leveling up Palkia does nothing for you and only proves you still do not know what your talking about even after Prodigal tried to help you. Do not lecture me on logic and argument, I am not majoring in the profession of wasting time. Good Night.

I was a deck help moderator. I posted in hundreds upon hundreds of threads. Sorry if I don't remember some other bad deck you posted.

Nice cop out though. Your useless trash tech was shown to be worthless, since both partners of Palkia (Luxray and Dialga) bypass it. Learn to build decks and support an argument please. But if you could do that, you probably wouldn't have to resort to posting your deck for advice in this sad forum, would you?

 

[Chompy]

Flygon/Hippowdon Lv X. is what FlyDon stands for.

I like your artilce calisupra2nr! Just igore that Vergel guy, or what ever his name is lol. He doesn't know what in the world he's talking about. Sigh.... deja vu all over again.

Anyways onto the list. Did you ever consider, running a 1-1 Manectric Tech line. I think he can come in real handy against decks, such as Gengar, Palkia, Luxape, Kingdra, etc. Also, Manectric covers Charizards weakness to water as well.

1+ Claydol
1+ Cynthias Feelings
1- Ponyta
1- Rapidash


Yes, Rapidash's Pokemon-Body is good. But it's not very useful against Flygon @ friends for the most part. Her Pokemon-Body is like Mewtwo's, only less HP and the attacks are far worse. If you want more consistency for your deck, your better off adding in 1 Claydol and 1 Cynthias Feelings, somewhere in the deck. After all, didn't the World Champ himself use that 3rd Claydol, and even Cynthas Feelings?

Did you ever consider, throwing in a 1-1 Ninetales MT tech line against Flygon, Machamp, Nidoqueen, Mewtwo Lv X?

 

[calisupra2nr]

Flygon/Hippowdon Lv X. is what FlyDon stands for.

I like your artilce calisupra2nr! Just igore that Vergel guy, or what ever his name is lol. He doesn't know what in the world he's talking about. Sigh.... deja vu all over again.

Anyways onto the list. Did you ever consider, running a 1-1 Manectric Tech line. I think he can come in real handy against decks, such as Gengar, Palkia, Luxape, Kingdra, etc. Also, Manectric covers Charizards weakness to water as well.

1+ Claydol
1+ Cynthias Feelings
1- Ponyta
1- Rapidash


Yes, Rapidash's Pokemon-Body is good. But it's not very useful against Flygon @ friends for the most part. Her Pokemon-Body is like Mewtwo's, only less HP and the attacks are far worse. If you want more consistency for your deck, your better off adding in 1 Claydol and 1 Cynthias Feelings, somewhere in the deck. After all, didn't the World Champ himself use that 3rd Claydol, and even Cynthas Feelings?

Did you ever consider, throwing in a 1-1 Ninetales MT tech line against Flygon, Machamp, Nidoqueen, Mewtwo Lv X?

I actually talked with Prodigal more on reworking Rapidash. I love the ideas you presented and will certainly try working those in and working Rapidash out.