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I think no one wants to go here and "sabotage" this event or that we are not appreciate what the organizers try do here.
I wish the organizers all the best and if it is a huge success and can be done on a yearly basis like the wonderful Benelux Cup, why not - I think everyone will love it.

However, I do think that just because this tournament is hyped like no other before it might be helpful if some people raise their concerns.

For example the information that this tournament might be cancelled if the hotel does not have enough reservations or at least be brought to another place is a very vital one. If I would not have insisted on an answer here, people might have still booked flights and loose money. This lack of information is a big blunder on the side of the organization. With this information, people can now go and choose the risk-free way: Book the hotel so that the tournament can take place but book the flight later, when it is safe to do so. In the worst case, there will be no tournament (although I´m really positive that this will not happen), what does people who have booked a flight do then?

There is another thing I don´t like:
That the talks of the organization with TPCI about support/invites are discussed on an official message board. I mean, we are talking about confidential information here, right? I could also go and post confidential information I have on certain things and sometimes I really would like to do so, but that is just unprofessional.
I think it is very dangerous to give people a hope which might not exist . Even the Benelux Cup is only given a high K-value and some promos by the TPCI (at least that is what I assume) and this is a tournament which exists since years and has grown in that time to what it is now. You are trying everything to promote this thing but this looks a lot like a try to use a "wooden hammer".

I like the efforts done to bring something special to the players but you have always to be careful with creating expectations.
 
Rainbowgym: You know you see people telling that they will come in numbers like 20 or 10 and many of them, but when you check reservations, only few of them made it. You need to get them reserved fast. If I announce back up plan, simply nobody would hurry with any preservations. I chose the hard and dangerous way, because it is important to get this venue. It gives us freedome and better oportunity to give you nice travel awards. I hoped, that those who booked flights and everything would help me to get others to book a room ;). I could get a plan B that is for sure, but I do not think it will be that valuable...

Thanks others for support.

Glumanda: Just telling the truth and trying to get voice of support and present it to TPCI again. Sometimes you need a support of vox populi to get things movin ;).

Yeahaaaaa!!!! ;) T.
 
andceo: alternative hotels? LOL, I should've told it better to book mainly in the hotel DUO. I hope the numbers will be reached. I phoned them on Wednesday and there were only few reservations made this way. The manager phoned me today notifiing me about some more. But if possible please change the accomodation for hotel DUO to reach the numbers. Thanks

Snox, we mailed the hotel a few days ago asking about three double and one triple rooms, specifing we were for the Pokémon European Cup, and we've been told the hotel has no room availability and redirected to another hotel nearby. Many other italian players have done the same when we told them.

So there has to be some kind of misunderstanding. We would be happy to change back our reservation to Hotel DUO if it's very possible as you say, but we'd like to be 100% sure before cancelling the one we already made. I would appreciate if you could please ask the hotel manager about it one last time. :)

I'm very positive this is going to be a great tournament and I thank you for the efforts you're putting in to make this happen. We booked our flights right when we saw the official announcement and we're very excited about it. This is another great opportunity to show what European players have got and it can't be missed, especially for you as the OP Manager of a country in constant player growth.

Please make sure everything goes as it has to go, not just for our flights (which, as someone already said, can't be cancelled) but for the very sake of the event! :thumb:
 
@spyrevenge

Strange you couldn't book a room, because I searched in Expedia/Hotelbookings/some other reservation sites and they all show there are rooms available.
Also tried the DUO hotel own website and even there are rooms available.

So there is a kind of misunderstanding.
 
Hery Snox
Lia isn't talking rubish or something
Organizig a tournament takes lots of responsabillity's
You can't say
If there aren't enough players I call it the quits

You haven't even sancioned the tournement yet
So sceptism NO
Good Intentions
YES

I would take her advise if I were you because She knows more then Most of the other people here
 
well, i would like to play the tournament and stuff... but i want to wait with my booking until i know if it's reall y gonna be a tournament ;) 'cause as rainbowgym said the fact that i have to book the room for there to be a tournament seems pretty unsecure and i don't wan't to pay for a trip to prague without a tournament ;)
 
I don't see why Snox should require POP's approval to run a private tournament. I don't think points will be attached, but should he want to run his own event, not only should he be allowed to, but there doesn't seem to be any reason not to call it the 'European Cup'. It's not like POP somehow has the name reserved.
 
I don't see why Snox should require POP's approval to run a private tournament. I don't think points will be attached, but should he want to run his own event, not only should he be allowed to, but there doesn't seem to be any reason not to call it the 'European Cup'. It's not like POP somehow has the name reserved.

It's supposed to have a K-Value of 32.
 
I don't see why Snox should require POP's approval to run a private tournament. I don't think points will be attached, but should he want to run his own event, not only should he be allowed to, but there doesn't seem to be any reason not to call it the 'European Cup'. It's not like POP somehow has the name reserved.

I would be the last one to say anything if a person wants to run a private tournament and call it whatever name.
But you didn't read to well.
This is not a private tournament, according to Snox he is assigned a K-32 Value, which is as high as States/Regionals.
In a way he is representing POP and should act accordingly and make sure there are some solid facts.

How would you feel if a Regionals in your country only took place if foreigners were booking and paying for a room in the Hotel it's supposed to take place?
How would you feel you find out there are no back up arrangements made to ensure at least a tournament of that K-value takes place.
Is that he way to represent OP?

Because that's what is happening here.

And since I am disliked already I will post later on why I think 3 parties are kind of misleaded in this.
 
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It's supposed to have a K-Value of 32.

I will be very surprised to see this happen. P!P has never sanctioned an event with a K-value that wasn't part of the usual Tournament Series.

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How would you feel if a Regionals in your country only took place if foreigners were booking and paying for a room in the Hotel it's supposed to take place?
How would you feel you find out there are no back up arrangements made to ensure at least a tournament of that K-value takes place.
Is that he way to represent OP?

In a way, this is what happens, Lia. PTO's organize events at large hotels, and if the participants don't draw enough business for the hotel, the business charges more for the room the next year. If a Regionals doesn't have enough people bringing business to the host hotel, it can lead to the event being held in a different place the next year, and can lead to some major headaches for the PTO running said event.
 
I will be very surprised to see this happen. P!P has never sanctioned an event with a K-value that wasn't part of the usual Tournament Series.

Yes it happened, they are called Special Premier events and the K-value differs.
Last season there was one with K-16 and I think 2 or 3 with K-32. (and as I remember correct we do have them already for 4 years)
Somehow the locator doesn't specify them so you have to search hard to find them, but they are there.
I complained about that lack in the locator for years, SPE's should be found easily, due to them having a K-Value which is important. (that is if invites are connected to rankings)



In a way, this is what happens, Lia. PTO's organize events at large hotels, and if the participants don't draw enough business for the hotel, the business charges more for the room the next year. If a Regionals doesn't have enough people bringing business to the host hotel, it can lead to the event being held in a different place the next year, and can lead to some major headaches for the PTO running said event.

Yes next year and I do know that way of working.
But here the situation is different.
In your example the event will take place on year X (say 2010) and might not the year after (2011) at the same location.
Here we have a situation the event will not even take place this year.
 
I will be very surprised to see this happen. P!P has never sanctioned an event with a K-value that wasn't part of the usual Tournament Series.

There's a reason why these tournaments are called SPE : Special Premier Events. They are not part of the usual Tournament Series and get a higher K-Value to attract players. Every year several SPE are run, like the Benelux Cup and international events (France-Belgium and Belgium-France, for example). Everyone is welcome to play in these tournaments, but they offer sometimes some additional rankings (Benelux Cup had a Belgium vs Netherlands top4).

The tournament itself is looking great, with so many players coming from all across Europe (and Singapore !) ! I'll be part of this for sure !

Thomas, we need you to show us the best pubs and clubs of the city :p

Mathieu
 
Please book the hotel rooms and if you feel uncomfortable book your flights later on. But guys, this event will rock! ;). I and my team are asuring this, we won't let it go canceled! I am going to sanction it as soon as I got the answer from TPCI and the proper possibility, you know season is starting, lot of work...
 
Please book the hotel rooms and if you feel uncomfortable book your flights later on. But guys, this event will rock! ;). I and my team are asuring this, we won't let it go canceled! I am going to sanction it as soon as I got the answer from TPCI and the proper possibility, you know season is starting, lot of work...

Well again what is your back up location?

Before I go on with my “destructive” posts, I would like to say I really hope this and any other SPE will take place.
They are important in case we do get ranking invites and to meet people from several countries.

However since I am the black sheep already, I can sum up some things I don’t like.

Somebody in country X has a plan to introduce OP/leagues to their locals and wants to combine this with a big tournament.
Nothing wrong with that, so what to do?

I would say first you book a venue and look around if you are able to staff a big event.
And with booking a venue I mean you will have a place to play NO MATTER WHAT.

Than you proceed to ask Pete deShaw (who is the person who assigns SPE status as far as I know) if you can get the SPE status/K-value on it.

To do this you most likely need to present your plan. Which includes the expected attendance and which venue you use I think.

In this matter there is no venue really booked.
It is only available if enough (foreign) people pay for rooms in the hotel.
That’s not a solid base, even after asking several times if there is an alternative venue in case this one is cancelled the TO still didn’t confirmed there is one.
Instead he tries to get people book a room (which you can cancel).
The tricky side of this people can cancel the rooms and not show up and what will happen in that case?
Will the hotel still allow this TO to use the venue? It’s a question I didn’t ask and something I hope the TO and the hotel made an agreement on.
However it’s fairly easy to mislead the hotel by making bookings and not show up.

So what do we have? A not sure location, good intentions but nothing solid.
There is no way you will know how many Int. players will show up.
And going only by attendance other SPE’s had in the past doesn’t mean you will get those.
You don’t know how many locals will show up (but they most likely will not use the hotelrooms).
But somehow you got this assigned as SPE with a very high K-value.

Now the next tricky part comes, the tournament is announced and there is mentioned Worlds invites are discussed.
While they might be discussed, I am sure there will be no invites awarded to a unknown tournament while there are established ones with descents numbers running for years.
It makes no sense to award Invites at the start of the season and also we still even don’t know if there is going to be the same invite/ranking structure as last year.
I would be very surprised if invites would be awarded anyway, but it would be a nice surprise for sure.
Still it’s something, if you are aware of the history and long enough around, you better not use that as advertising.
It’s kind of misleading from my point of view.


I call it misleading because, mentioning invites to draw attendance is tricky.
Also not really booking a venue and only after some people start questioning admitting how things are arranged is tricky.

But I still would like to know how many players can be seated and will be allowed into the tournament.
I also would like to know if it’s legal in the Czech republic to award cash prizes.
In some countries in Europe is illegal to award real money.
 
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This last post pretty much sums the whole thing up.

Before someone brings the argument: But we do not give a cash award, we give a travel allowance...
I know that where I live, it makes no difference, if you give a cash award or a voucher for the same amount - it would still be seen as gambling. And believe me, I have heard many players at Worlds talking about this tournament and from that I can tell you that they are seeing the travel allowance as "cash" (which makes perfect sense from their point of view).

I´ve also thought about that point already but as I do not know how the laws in the Czech Republic work on those matters, I cannot say anything to that.
 
I will be very surprised to see this happen. P!P has never sanctioned an event with a K-value that wasn't part of the usual Tournament Series.

I don't know what P!P is, or how this stuff works in the US, but here in Europe we have SPEs all the time.
 
I don't know what P!P is, or how this stuff works in the US, but here in Europe we have SPEs all the time.

P!P is POP's new name. Play! Pokemon. In the US, I've never heard of an SPE. This practice makes little sense to me, but I guess if there's a precedent...
 
SPE (Special Premier Events) are only available international (so outside North America)
You can do a request to have it tagged/assigned this status.
We have them for years, but not as many as Ardoptes suggests.
I watched to locator for years to find them and there are only a few of them each season.
 
Hi all,
I just spoke with the hotel manager and he told me that some people tried to reserve the rooms via some regular booking sites or directly thru their website. Please use the form system only. Fill the form and send it to the hotel email. Find the instructions here: www.pokeworld.eu/europen-cup. Otherwise the hotel is fully booked. There is still a lot of free rooms allocated just for us and our action. They are waiting just for your emails. So download the form at our pages and send it to the email: [email protected]. Or write to this email directly.

I have good alternative location. It could hold around 150 players which would be pretty accurate, if we would not be able to find enough players for DUO = not even 100 guests...it is near the place where I work. I have already organised some premier events there. Venue that could accomodate around 80 people and hold event for 150-200 people...

About travel award - I am not going to give anybody cash on the spot. I would give voucher and will wait till they present some proof of travel to international tournament (bookend flight or anything else). We call it sponsorship here and I have ready agreements and paperwork.
 
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