EXP-HL Tiers and Predictions
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supertyranitar
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What?
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TrueGamerX said:
WT...heck? Did you people ever actually PLAY SSB? Ness was the best character. His throws were the best in the game, he was the best edge-guarder HANDS DOWN with his yo-yos, and his PKF-bat combo is one of the most powerful 1-2 move combos in the game, even in Melee (although it's a lot harder to pull off in Melee, easier in the original). Ness was THE BEST character in SSB. Fox was second, Kirby might have been third or fourth but is in no way first or second.
Anyways...
Mudkip - Sorry about my overreaction. I apologize.
Jason - Tthat belongs in like Tier 0. ;x And what you said about Modified, that's not true. It's UNLIMITED that is the "whoever wins the opening roll wins it all" format. Get out 2-3 Slowkings turn 1. OOPS GG.
Whicker - IDK about Blaziken variants being Tier 1. I made a mistake before in saying that, since my Tier list is taking into account all parts of the metagame and not just the straight speed and power and ability to flat-out beat everything in its way. Tier lists only exclude luck, cheating and player skill, not the environment in which the decks are played.
ScizorsFury - The problem is, Armaldo is so weak to everything else. If you want to use a fighting type, use Swampert ex in a Swampert deck. Its ability to do 100 damage without discarding anything is incredible and with its great bench-hitting attack, huge HP and ability to fit in with an already-powerful decklist, it reigns over Armaldo as best fighting type.
Supertyranitar - One match doesn't prove anything. The resistance that Metagross has to psychic and the weakness Gardevoir has to psychic determine the game, right then and there. Magnetic Storm is a gym, and no gym is all-powerful, because they are some of the most easily countered cards in the game. Just takes one card to do it, and that's another Stadium card.
Obi Wan - Gardevoir is heavily played still in some areas, but it will not do well against a handful of good Shiftry, Metagross, and Blaziken players. We all know that Gardy is destroyed by Blaziken, but there seems to be some confusion about Metagross and Shiftry. First of all, Metagross beats Gardy hands down. The weakness-resistance thing is like 298347568347% in Metagross's favor. Shiftry has a tougher time but Shiftry plays Desert Ruins for Gex and as a counter gym to Magnetic Storm. The resistance is more hard to get around than you think, especially if you're playing Milotic to heal Shiftry. Gardevoir is probably near the bottom of Tier 2, I'll give it that much. But will Gardevoir be able to beat anything in Tier 1? It can't beat Metagross, Shiftry, Walrein/Milotic (actually it can do a fair job of standing up to this, but WalreinMilotic will usually win) and it doesn't do too well against Crobyss either.
Adv1sor - I was about to say. WT...heck? Kirby won an SSBM tourney?
Blaze - I'm a strong supporter of Milotic in Metagross, but I'm starting to see the light on Gorebyss as well. I mean, the SwitchJunctureNurse combo works INSANELY well with Gorebyss's free retreat cost, and that's a gigantic bonus. Milotic's pokemon power is neat, and the high HP is nice, but Ascension now needs a coin flip, and Milotic's retreat cost is 2...there's just not as much going for it now. I consider both good options but have yet to completely make up my mind on which is better.
Plaid - Yeah, your stage 1 deck was really awesome at the ECSC...and Nike's at the SCSC. But they're played in so few numbers that they're not so dominant, underly played, and also hard to play with, since they're a fairly new concept. I don't know if I'd rank them that high, since I didn't do that much testing with Starbyss when you were away, but in MY testing with that deck, it reeked. Maybe my list was bad. *shrugs*
TrueGamerX - Kirby was SOOO inferior to Ness in original SSB.
Physics Squirrel - Sometimes I want to type "Psychics Squirrel" or "Secret Squirrel" instead of "Physics Squirrel".
Just thought I'd share that with you all. X_X
Anyways, Swampert just dies to anything with Desert Ruins. Or Gardy. It loses to that too. And it also loses to like...everything else except fire.
And I still hate Crobat.
Blaze - Ummm no. Everything except Blaziken >>> Swampert. Unless they don't get Desert Ruins out early. Swampert ex is very nice but once those guys are dead from Desert Ruins it's Game Over. Now if Swampert was a fighting type and had Swampert ex's first attack...THEN it would pwn.
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Physics Squirrel - Sometimes I want to type "Psychics Squirrel" or "Secret Squirrel" instead of "Physics Squirrel".
Just thought I'd share that with you all. X_X
Anyways, Swampert just dies to anything with Desert Ruins. Or Gardy. It loses to that too. And it also loses to like...everything else except fire.
And I still hate Crobat.
Blaze - Ummm no. Everything except Blaziken >>> Swampert. Unless they don't get Desert Ruins out early. Swampert ex is very nice but once those guys are dead from Desert Ruins it's Game Over. Now if Swampert was a fighting type and had Swampert ex's first attack...THEN it would pwn.
~Wooper[/QUOTE]
Time to defend Swampert again.
Swampert really doesn't die to anything with Ruins. I played today with 2 Island Cave and the Ruins didn't hurt that much. Against Shiftry, Walrein, Crobyss, Metagross, whatever with Ruins Swampert ex is still a very solid attacker against them. Against some decks a much more solid 150 HP ex then Gex so it still gives Swampert a good edge in those matchups. Now Cune ex you hardly mess with unless you see a quick ko because of this ruinsed worlds. Now Gardy.....no arguement.
Just thought I'd share that with you all. X_X
Anyways, Swampert just dies to anything with Desert Ruins. Or Gardy. It loses to that too. And it also loses to like...everything else except fire.
And I still hate Crobat.
Blaze - Ummm no. Everything except Blaziken >>> Swampert. Unless they don't get Desert Ruins out early. Swampert ex is very nice but once those guys are dead from Desert Ruins it's Game Over. Now if Swampert was a fighting type and had Swampert ex's first attack...THEN it would pwn.
~Wooper[/QUOTE]
Time to defend Swampert again.
Swampert really doesn't die to anything with Ruins. I played today with 2 Island Cave and the Ruins didn't hurt that much. Against Shiftry, Walrein, Crobyss, Metagross, whatever with Ruins Swampert ex is still a very solid attacker against them. Against some decks a much more solid 150 HP ex then Gex so it still gives Swampert a good edge in those matchups. Now Cune ex you hardly mess with unless you see a quick ko because of this ruinsed worlds.
Now Gardy.....no arguement. Physics Squirrel
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Everyone knows that Samus is the best. =P
ColdCoates90
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Yeah Swampert doesn't die to eveything with ruins.Swampert decks can defeat Metagross decks and have the upperhand on Shiftry and Blaze.They also have a decent chance against everything else.Pidgeotto Trainer said:Physics Squirrel - Sometimes I want to type "Psychics Squirrel" or "Secret Squirrel" instead of "Physics Squirrel".
Just thought I'd share that with you all. X_X
Anyways, Swampert just dies to anything with Desert Ruins. Or Gardy. It loses to that too. And it also loses to like...everything else except fire.
And I still hate Crobat.
Blaze - Ummm no. Everything except Blaziken >>> Swampert. Unless they don't get Desert Ruins out early. Swampert ex is very nice but once those guys are dead from Desert Ruins it's Game Over. Now if Swampert was a fighting type and had Swampert ex's first attack...THEN it would pwn.
~Wooper
Time to defend Swampert again.
Swampert really doesn't die to anything with Ruins. I played today with 2 Island Cave and the Ruins didn't hurt that much. Against Shiftry, Walrein, Crobyss, Metagross, whatever with Ruins Swampert ex is still a very solid attacker against them. Against some decks a much more solid 150 HP ex then Gex so it still gives Swampert a good edge in those matchups. Now Cune ex you hardly mess with unless you see a quick ko because of this ruinsed worlds.
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plaidlesspez
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Wooper, I rate stage 1 decks that high because in the right hands they are really good. They aren't popular, but if you have the right kind of playing style, stage 1 decks are amazing.
plaidlesspez
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Oh man, my secret deck for Worlds has been unveiled! :nonono: I bet everyone is going to start teching to beat it. Thanks Pablo....
mozartrules
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Typically not true. One thing is Clamperl's power which allows it to absorb the small attacks that you typically see, more important is the fact that you can retreat for free if/when you find a Gorebyss (I have seen this a number of times!)Blaze said:
SuperWooper
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Yeah the Ascension Errata just made Milotic a whole bunch less good. Walrein/Milotic becomes slightly weaker in worst-case situations, and the same goes for anything else that uses Milotic as a healer/backup hitter. I like both versions of Metagross, though, they are both tournament worthy.
Professor Elm
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It is clear to see that Nintendo was tired of seeing Blaziken everywhere so they just made a ton of cards that are totally against it. Everybody I know puts tech against Blaze. I have hated Blaze ever since it got popular. I think it deserves teir 3.
Pidgeotto Trainer
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I doubt that since the cards are made in Japan and made with no knowledge of what our metagame is like.Professor Elm said:
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