Pokémon TCG: Sword and Shield—Brilliant Stars

First Great Encounters scans now on PokeBeach

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Articjedi said:
Prime: POP, like many other gaming companies, feel that releasing information about a set, contents or not contents, is detrimental to the sales of said set. I guess they feel that the information would put the company at risk, so they won't release the info unless they deem it necessary, like if someone puts out obviously fake info meant to mislead the community.
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I understand that. Maybe this discussion needs to be moved to another thread and this thread should be closed.

At the same time though, POP/PUI plays a much bigger role in the community than many companies do in their communities. M_Liesik mentioned that he noticed the uproar of players wondering what was in the set, and it's noticeable with this situation that players are very emotional about what is and isn't in the upcoming sets. I just think POP/PUI could do more, could communicate better with the community to lessen these kinds of problems.
 
Prime said:
WPM is right, on some level, that because PUI/POP never releases the information about what is in the set, they did give birth to the "stink" that M_Liesik speaks of. If POP/PUI would have posted a simple checklist for the set, or told what cards would NOT be in the set, this whole problem would not have happened in the first place.
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We provide the information when the set is officially released, not before. Prereleases are SUPPOSED to be exciting because people can see the cards, and what's in the set for the first time. The buzz on the first prerelease weekend with people posting what cards they found, and pulling the set list together USED to be exciting, and fun. With full spoilers or set lists out ahead of time, now its not as much about "Holy cow! Look at that card! That's so awesome!" and more about "Oh good, I got that card."

Let's use movies as an example:

When you go to see a movie, it is preceeded by previews for upcoming movies. The goal of a movie preview is to get you excited about seeing that movie so that you want to go spend your money on that movie when it comes out. The preview only shows you small segments of the movie to keep you guessing about what happens.

Now, imagine if you were to go online a week before the movie comes out find out every single thing that happens in that movie. How likely are you to want to go see it? You may still go see the movie, because you want to see those things happening. Or, you might just decide "well, I already know what's going to happen, so I'm just gonna save my $10."

Why would any business ever want a customer to do that? I mean, the movie could be great, the movie could be terrible. But the company that shelled out millions of dollars to produce it would really appreciate it if you had some sort of motivation to give them a return on that investment. A little teaser of what's in the movie leads to far more interest than spoiling the entire thing.

While the example may not exactly apply to the PTCG, it's close enough that you can garner a little insight into PUI's thought process.
 
Unbelievable.
You know, it's one thing that he tried to pull this prank in the first place. I'm not saying that was a great idea, but it PALES in comparison to his responses in this thread.
People lost respect for you when they found out about this scandal. But honestly, don't you think the smart thing to do would've been to cut your losses and just apologize instead of arguing with Mike flipping Liesik of all people?

It's really sad, though. WPM's responses are fairly classic of someone who's desperately trying to defend himself when the VAST majority of fingers are pointing at him. He gets irrationally upset and starts using Freudian defense mechanisms left and right (Projection, Displacement, and Distortion come to mind)... it's been a losing battle from the start, but he just keeps digging himself deeper into the hole.
I just hope he doesn't dig so deep that the consequences become so widespread and irreversible that his site will lose all of its credibility (and not because of the Phione thing)...
 
Mike, Cards =/= Movies

Movies can be easily bootlegged.

Cards does not.

Why?

All of the TOs can always kick out these who attempt to enter a tourney with fakes. So yeah, you always still get the $$$$$$$$$$$ cause ALL of use need real cards to play ^^
 
Prime said:
I'm not trying to cover for WPM, or make what he did (and didn't) sound any better. I was just addressing one thing I've had problems with in the past. I've always felt there were better ways to tell the community about the set without spoiling the set
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Yes. Yes, that would be good.
We could call it..... ummmm..... how about... a Prerelease?

POP/PUI knew of the "stink" that M_Liesik posted about. Why didn't they try to calm it down a little by giving the community a little information about what wouldn't be in the set?
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That stink wouldn't exist without the leaked information giving people partial information.
POP also does release some early info.
There are 10 or so scans that they release early for everyone.

I'm sorry prime, I just don't see where you're coming from on this.
It seems that PUI needs to release the whole set list early for... why?
Does MTG release their whole set list a week or two early?
 
M_Liesik said:
While the example may not exactly apply to the PTCG, it's close enough that you can garner a little insight into PUI's thought process.
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I agree hype is good, especially for thee general public, but I would think the small percentage of the total fan base here compared the the general consumer would not effect sales of the cards if they knew what the the set contained.
 
Jason said:
All of the TOs can always kick out these who attempt to enter a tourney with fakes. So yeah, you always still get the $$$$$$$$$$$ cause ALL of use need real cards to play ^^
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Players that participate in OP events are not the only ones that we're concerned about. :wink:

As it is, we already aggressively pursue counterfeiters for this exactly this reason.

bugsbite said:
I agree hype is good, especially for thee general public, but I would think the small percentage of the total fan base here compared the the general consumer would not effect sales of the cards if they knew what the the set contained.
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Generally speaking, once something is on the internet, it's pretty much everywhere. The blessing and the curse of the intrawebs...
 
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rhodesia123 said:
wpm didnt even go through with the prank so i dont see the big deal.

anyway will pokegym be posting the full sets scans this saturday?
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Well, I don't know now.
We usually get them up then because Beach already has most of them up.
But now... well.
Maybe we should wait a few days for that excitement Mike L was talking about.:thumb:
 
Remember, PokePop, people starting coming up with good lists for the set when POP/PUI released the initial 10 scans. People only added more to the list when WPM started posting scans.

PUI/POP don't want to spoil the set for people, but they are willing to give 10 scans to appease the community. I understand why they do what they do.

It's not rocket science, and I look beyond the basic ideas like "keep the cards secret so people stay excited and attend the pre-releases". I take a microscope to the ideas to try to find better ways to do what is already being done.

Let's talk movies. If we are going to compare the trailers to early tcg press releases, we have to look at the other aspects of new movies. Movies release information telling every actor and actress in the movie before it comes to theaters. This way people know who is and isn't in the movie. Many shots of the movie are seen online before the movie is seen as official images are usually given out by the company shooting the movie to get movie watchers excited. Companies interview the actors and find out a few more details about the movie. By the time a movie comes out, let's say spiderman 3, people knew who all the villians were and pretty much the story thanks to the trailer + pictures + interviews of the actors.

What does this card game have that is like this?
 
WPM has played games with these scans all weeks( to dramatically increase the hits his
site takes this week IMHO). Scans he SHOULDN'T even have.

Once week every 3 months you think
your hot **** because you have what none of us do ( except PTO'S of course).

Keep your damn scans- your site has taken it's last hit from me.

For the record, I hope you and your source are exposed and crucified by PUI for
the b.s. you pull the week before our pre's.Especially whoever it is giving you
the scans ( or cards) you post.

In case you didn't notice, I thought your little "rib" about phoine sucked. You shouldn't play
games like that with players. Who the **** do you think you are, Jimmy Ballard or something?

Great thing is after this Saturday nobody will care about you or your scans.
 
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