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Foreign language cards in 2010-2011 MD-on?

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kevstoy

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Hey everyone,

With the new rotation MD-on being announced, i was wondering if there was any follow up news on the use of foreign language cards for the next season as well. I believe the original announcemnt when we moved to six foreign language cards was only of this year. Given that many players may still have been buying foreign cards for the sets MD, LA, SF prior to the first "foreign card ban announcement"' two questions:

1) has there been any discussions about this by POP and/or any news on this?

2) what has been people's / judges experiences with the "limited use" (6 cards) of foreign cards? Has this worked out okay so that foreign card use for another year would be possible?

K
 
Have there been any discussions? Yes, the discussion was last year. POP intended to ban them entirely, but relented and granted us the 10% rule for this year. It was a concession we were lucky to get.

I'm not sure why anyone paying attention would think we have any chance of getting another year with them.
 
we were given a year's warning that NO japanese cards would be allowed beginning in the 2010-11 tournament season. if people continued to buy them despite knowing that, well....*shrugs*

jmho
'mom
 
Have there been any discussions? Yes, the discussion was last year. POP intended to ban them entirely, but relented and granted us the 10% rule for this year. It was a concession we were lucky to get.

I'm not sure why anyone paying attention would think we have any chance of getting another year with them.

Ummmmmm maybe because it worked this past year very nicely and maybe continuing the trend wouldn't be so bad?? Way to be negative.

ANYWAYS, to respond to your OP Kevstoy, I love the 10% rule. I think it was nice of Pokemon to do that. But I also think the rule should continue through the next season for those still rockin' cards from MD-on that are Japanese.
 
if people continued to buy them despite knowing that, well....*shrugs*

To clarify my original post:

The announcement was made last year for the "ban of foreign cards" in April 2009. I think we were already playing SF and possibly Platinum at that point. My reasoning for asking about the policy at this time is that I think one of the original arguments for allowing the 10% rule was to "grandfather-in" all the existing sets prior to the original "ban" announcement".

I agree with you PokeMom that if folks continued to buy foreign cards after the announcement then that is a risk they would have to live with.

However, in fairness to the players who bought the product prior to the announcement, I thought it worthwhile to ask the question as POP has kept some of those pre-ban announcement sets (MD, LA, SF, PT?) legal for another year. Hopefully, they would keep the 10% rule alive for another year to accommodate those sets.
 
people have had a year's grace period, knowing that japanese cards would not be legal in the coming tournament year. why would you (general 'you') not 1) stop purchasing japanese cards and 2) attempt to replace any deck staples they were using during that time?

it's not like players didn't know this was coming, nor that the tournament rules were not very clear on what was to come:
15.9. Japanese Cards
Players are permitted to use Japanese cards at Premier Events for the 2009–2010 tournament season. All rules regarding the use of foreign‐language cards, as outlined in Section 15.8., must be adhered to. Players will not be permitted to use Japanese cards for Premier Events starting with the 2010–2011 tournament season.
there's NOTHING in there stating that cards still in format after the rotation would be allowed; why would anyone assume that would be so?

and, 'in fairness to the players who bought the product'? purchasing graymarket product in no way funds TPCi's organized play HERE.

'mom
 
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My reasoning for asking about the policy at this time is that I think one of the original arguments for allowing the 10% rule was to "grandfather-in" all the existing sets prior to the original "ban" announcement".

From what I understand the U.S. sets that were being used prior to the ban were not really part of why the 10% rule was rolled out.

The 10% rule will be removed from the format starting the first of September and rules regarding what language cards may be used in a players deck at OP events will be in place. That means while playing in the U.S. only English language cards will be allowed at any official Pokémon Organized Play event.

While I am glad to hear that the 10% rule was appreciated and did its job, I also hope that the fact that we have given players an entire year to prepare for these rules is also taken into account before folks come down too hard on us. :cool:
 
people have had a year's grace period, knowing that japanese cards would not be legal in the coming tournament year. why would you (general 'you') not 1) stop purchasing japanese cards and
95% of competitive people did

2) attempt to replace any deck staples they were using during that time?
Most people didn't think the format would retain MD, SF, etc. but it did. I wasn't going to replace those 4 call energy because I thought it would be rotated

it's not like players didn't know this was coming, nor that the tournament rules were not very clear on what was to come:
there's NOTHING in there stating that cards still in format after the rotation would be allowed; why would anyone assume that would be so?

and, 'in fairness to the players who bought the product'? purchasing graymarket product in no way funds TPCi's organized play HERE.

'mom
People argue that competitive players make up a marginal portion of the market, and the people who bought and used Japanese cards was even smaller. What effect does that really have?

Pokemon seems to be just as strong as ever. Are you trying to say this is a money move? They want that marginal amount of money from people who were still supporting Pokemon, and Nintendo, but just over THERE instead.

First, people argued it was about the ease for judges and tournament operations. If people obeyed the rules properly, there would be no problems. There was no difference in someone reading a card and reading a proxy- and typically, proxies are EASIER to use because they are mobile. People mess up their deck lists all the time, and not having a proper translation/proxy would be akin to this. Same people same mistakes, etc. This argument was defeated.

Then people tried to argue that it was okay because we OUGHT to support this market. I think the product is inferior to the Japanese product, but I am still supporting Nintendo and the Pokemon name. I live in Florida. The Japanese cards don't bend and don't curl like the English cards. They are more rigid, but appear slightly thinner. They are glossier and LOOK better. They outclass the English cards by a large margin. I don't think we have to buy from here, nor should we be forced to buy and play with inferior product. It's a Pokemon card- why does it have to be English? The funds they would gain would be so nominal, and probably wouldn't be noticed. Most people simply bought a few staples occasionally. Playsets of call energy, or dialga, or an expensive level X (remember, somehow their Xs and good cards were CHEAPER _AFTER_ shipping here. What does that say about the rarity distribution? Buying the better product is so obvious). This argument is flawed- they would get barely any money, and we shouldn't have to buy a specific language if we are still supporting the brand. People wouldn't buy Japanese if the American product wasn't more expensive _and_ of weaker quality.

I mean, this move is really unfounded. I don't see a reason for it. When someone like Kaga says we are "lucky" to have been given the 10% rule, I say why? If anything, POP would be lucky for people to be motivated to buy more expensive and inferior product when there hasn't been a clear gain in the American market for some time. Why am I supporting this over the Japanese area? Because scholarships and trips have consistently gone down? No thanks.

Some appreciate this rule, but read that thread and see that a whole lot of others don't.

Thank you for forcing me to use inferior product and more expensive product without proper justification and argumentation.

PS, those tags are really lame. Can someone just delete them all? It's spam.
 
as a TO/PTO/judge, i'll be GLAD to see the 10% rule gone. why?

because i've found that at least 50% of the time it's EXPERIENCED players who show up without their references, and think nothing of demanding we stop entering the players into TOM in order to print a card-dex page for something like a rare candy.

or the experienced players who figure they can get away without a translation, and then when called on it and penalized we're being 'unreasonable' or 'mean' or whatever...no, it's the RULES!

'mom
 
From what I understand the U.S. sets that were being used prior to the ban were not really part of why the 10% rule was rolled out.

The 10% rule will be removed from the format starting the first of September and rules regarding what language cards may be used in a players deck at OP events will be in place. That means while playing in the U.S. only English language cards will be allowed at any official Pokémon Organized Play event.

While I am glad to hear that the 10% rule was appreciated and did its job, I also hope that the fact that we have given players an entire year to prepare for these rules is also taken into account before folks come down too hard on us. :cool:

I thought the rule would stay the same for non japanese foreign cards? If I visit the US with my german cards I wouldnt be allowed to use them :/? Anyway I really think the 10% ruling was nice and Im glad it happened, if it goes away now I still think its sad but I guess I can accept it.
 
as a TO/PTO/judge, i'll be GLAD to see the 10% rule gone. why?

because i've found that at least 50% of the time it's EXPERIENCED players who show up without their references, and think nothing of demanding we stop entering the players into TOM in order to print a card-dex page for something like a rare candy.

or the experienced players who figure they can get away without a translation
how does this happen? no pre-tournament deck checks?

, and then when called on it and penalized we're being 'unreasonable' or 'mean' or whatever...no, it's the RULES!
it is the rules- penalize away. if they are experienced, then you shouldn't feel bad at all.

'mom

then don't let them play...

i've never seen a florida PTO print off a card-dex for anyone. if you're in deck check without a trans. or a card-dex, tough luck, stick some english ones in there.

i still don't see the problem.
 
I thought the rule would stay the same for non japanese foreign cards? If I visit the US with my german cards I wouldnt be allowed to use them :/?

I'm afraid not. Section 15.8. Foreign Cards on the most current rules document defines what languages are considered local and which are considered foreign in a given country.
 
While I personally prefer an allowance of limited usage of Japanese cards, I can see why they'll be banned next year (tournament disruption).

Nevertheless, I'm sick-n-tired of hearing comments that the purchasing practices of some players doesn't support TPCi, POP, and/or game shops. Instead of "motivating" players to purchase-n-support, some of what I hear and see are rules and ridicules aimed at limiting players' choices.

Bottom line: Banning Japanese cards is the proper thing to do with regards to reducing tournament disruptions. Those claiming that the ban is needed to "encourage" players to better-support TPCi/POP need to consider how non-capitalistic, maybe even socialistic, that claim seems.:tongue:
 
We all know it's just a way to keep the money flowing to tcpi. "You want to buy a japanese $40 Luxray gl lv.x over a $70 english one? Well too bad, now it is illegal to use in tourney. Buy our packs, spend more money on eBay and such, we don't care. As long as we get more money by banning cards."

And before I hear a rant, I am aware that tcpi doesn't make any money off of eBay and blah blah, but banning all foreign means those are our last resorts and we spend TONS on them.
 
We all know it's just a way to keep the money flowing to tcpi....
I'm more positive and have a bit of faith that the ban came about primarily because excessive use of foreign cards "can" cause tournament disruptions. My pet peeve is hearing organizers and store owners claim that "freedom of choice" curtails OP. This attitute from some people that you need to "buy from us to play with us" rubs me the wrong way.
 
I totally understand why everyone is so split on this.

1- We were given a year's notice about the up coming change yet there are those of us who still wish it extended,Mainly due to the Surge in price of what many people consider a Stable Lv X in Luxray.

2-I for one am a little bummed but totally understand where TPCI is coming from. They are a company, Companies need to make a profit in order to stay in Business. By going and removing a way of players using something as a excuse to not spend money they are infact protecting there company.

It's not TPCI's fault that there are those of us who like to make our decks unique by adding all these foreign cards to our decks in order to make them look cool. Also they gave us enough time to save up and buy english ones so it isn't there fault we didn't listen.

3- The main problem seems to keep coming back in my opinion to one card Luxray G Lv X. Yes it is a amazing card but is it really needed in every deck? No, Infact there is a card from the same set as Luxray that does nearly the same thing.

Now with that being said TPCI has gone and done the things it's needed to to make wise and safe bussiness decisions, Should they be fussed at for doing so? No, Should they go and bend to the minority of us who didn't heed there warning last year ? Thats for them to ponder and come to a answer with. Either way we should have listened to them in the 1st place instead of ignoring them and complaining when they go to Enforce the rule.

(As for playing in a different country) I know myself and a lot of other people who if we had a player go to us from say Finland and only had there native cards, That player would leave with a deck that they could play with here. And also a few new friends.
 
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