Foreign language cards in 2010-2011 MD-on?

[Regis_Neo]

Well, while I still do agree that banning all foreign cards is still incredibly lame (even after a year), we have all had our year's warning/notice now...I have just about everything next format in English, so yeah, no reason no one else remembered this tidbit from a year ago.

Also adding who knows, maybe they'll relent on this dumb rule.

 

[Scipio]

I'd like to ask Ryan something - you said you didn't replace your Call Energy simply because you ASSUMED the format was to become PT-On. Isn't that your own fault then for not getting the English ones just in case, after all it was never set in stone it would become PT-On even if everyone assumed it would be.

 

[Squidwina]

There was no difference in someone reading a card and reading a proxy- and typically, proxies are EASIER to use because they are mobile.

You're assuming that everyone feels this way. I don't.

I find that having to use an outside reference is distracting and annoying. It also clutters the play area, which can be a big problem in crowded tournaments. If the opponent has to dig out a printed card-dex reference, it causes a delay. If a judge needs to be called, it causes further delays, not just for my game but for the other people who are waiting for rulings while they deal with the issue at my table.

And the biggest problem from my perspective as a player is that the information in the card-dex printout is arranged differently than it is on the card. I can't absorb or process the information as efficiently as I can get it off a card. I feel that I am at a disadvantage if I have to read a printout instead of a card. This isn't such a big issue when dealing with one or two cards, but it becomes one if there are multiple foreign cards in a deck.

And also, please remember that not all players are completely up on the rules regarding references and/or they may feel too shy or intimidated to insist on seeing a reference in the face of an opponent who is obviously annoyed by the request. The player may pressured to just accept the opponent's verbal explanation of what the card does. Even if the opponent is absolutely not trying to cheat, he or she may get it just a tiny bit wrong. And we all know that subleties in words or phrasing can make a huge difference.


The whole "why should I play with inferior product" thing is just silly. If non-Japanese Pokemon cards offend your delicate sensibilites so much, then don't play tournaments that require them.

And with regard to the question of sales lost to TPCi--it might be negligible at this point, but if the practice spreads, it could become more significant. I understand why they'd want to nip it in the bud.

 

[Politoed666]

Have there been any discussions? Yes, the discussion was last year. POP intended to ban them entirely, but relented and granted us the 10% rule for this year. It was a concession we were lucky to get.

I'm not sure why anyone paying attention would think we have any chance of getting another year with them.

Yes, it was a sort of concession. As in, the players sort of got what they wanted. Ideally, any and all foreign language cards would be allowed indefinitely, but hey. Gotta settle.

However, it's a ridiculous statement to make that we should be thankful that POP permitted us to continue using a few foreign language cards, and now that they ban them completely, it'd difficult to appreciate those few cards we got this past season. I don't mean this as a rant against your post personally, but it frustrates me again, as I've mentioned before, that the clear motivator for this move is money.

I know I'm going to get a lot of grief for saying that, since I know there are Pokémon employees here and those who wish to be model posters, but it's a side that needs to be heard. Let's face it. POP makes a lot more money if all the American players' foreign cards suddenly become next to worthless. Think about it. I'm not saying there aren't other game-related factors, but money definitely plays into the equation.

yes. they currently 'count' towards the 10%, so why wouldn't they be banned as well?

'mom

And God, 'mom is right, but seriously? Seriously?

 

[iamapwnda]

I doubt it's a money-based move because I really can't see the few Japanese cards that people use actually being a significant drain on their profits. Most people who buy Pokemon cards probably don't even play in tournaments, let alone use Japanese cards. I think the main thing is that Japanese cards are annoying for players to read, and someone like me who doesn't memorize all the cards needs to read them in order to understand what is happening. It seems like I'm the only player against Japanese cards but they are really annoying to play against. Also, some people may not have as much access to Japanese cards, and particular ones may be easier to get, so it would be a little unfair to people to allow it.

Overall I think the ban on foreign cards is nice and I won't miss them!

 

[Chairman Kaga]

However, it's a ridiculous statement to make that we should be thankful that POP permitted us to continue using a few foreign language cards, and now that they ban them completely, it'd difficult to appreciate those few cards we got this past season.

Consider that the original plan was for a full ban this season. So yes, a lot of people were indeed thankful for the 10% compromise.

I don't mean this as a rant against your post personally, but it frustrates me again, as I've mentioned before, that the clear motivator for this move is money.

The number of people that actually use Japanese cards is not a significant percentage. So money cannot be a clear motivator. The overarching issue is the drain it puts on tournament staff to deal with it, and the people who abuse the privilege solely to cause these issues (like the guy that showed up with a fully Japanese deck -- yes, it really happened).

But certainly money is some sort of factor. TPCI puts on free events for us, and we the players reward them by purchasing overseas product that they never see a dime for. Then we complain about the lack of budget for tournament prizes.

If any thread deserved the "tpci can't win" tag, it's this one.

 

[ryanvergel]

You're assuming that everyone feels this way. I don't.

I find that having to use an outside reference is distracting and annoying. It also clutters the play area, which can be a big problem in crowded tournaments. If the opponent has to dig out a printed card-dex reference, it causes a delay. If a judge needs to be called, it causes further delays, not just for my game but for the other people who are waiting for rulings while they deal with the issue at my table.

And the biggest problem from my perspective as a player is that the information in the card-dex printout is arranged differently than it is on the card. I can't absorb or process the information as efficiently as I can get it off a card. I feel that I am at a disadvantage if I have to read a printout instead of a card. This isn't such a big issue when dealing with one or two cards, but it becomes one if there are multiple foreign cards in a deck.

And also, please remember that not all players are completely up on the rules regarding references and/or they may feel too shy or intimidated to insist on seeing a reference in the face of an opponent who is obviously annoyed by the request. The player may pressured to just accept the opponent's verbal explanation of what the card does. Even if the opponent is absolutely not trying to cheat, he or she may get it just a tiny bit wrong. And we all know that subleties in words or phrasing can make a huge difference.


The whole "why should I play with inferior product" thing is just silly. If non-Japanese Pokemon cards offend your delicate sensibilites so much, then don't play tournaments that require them.

And with regard to the question of sales lost to TPCi--it might be negligible at this point, but if the practice spreads, it could become more significant. I understand why they'd want to nip it in the bud.

lol

i don't even need to respond to the rest. the classic "love it or leave it" that we always see is your conclusion.

you're so ignorant it's ridiculous. my delicate sensibilities? move to florida and watch your cards curl and notice your japanese cards dont and tell me im being delicate. then take the cards and try to put them in a deck!

great job. :thumb: you get an A+ for being a perfect pokegym post.

If any thread deserved the "tpci can't win" tag, it's this one.

they won when they allowed 10% after we argued and fought for it. it doesn't mean we have to like the fact that the 10% compromise is reaching its end. and it doesnt mean its somehow wrong or dumb or without forethought to now discuss how the end to this compromise is lame. the 10% compromise is great.

 

[Jeremy Badeaux]

I'm not sure if it's entirely correct to say that TPCI doesn't make money off of foreign card sales so much as the American branch doesn't make money (if somebody buys a product from an international company, but in another country, they are still buying from the international company).

I do see both sides of this.
I understand how foreign cards could maybe be a problem for newer players to deal with, but I can see how such a low number of allowed foreign language cards shouldn't cause a problem.
Oh well, now that the usable supply of Lux X is about to drop severely, I guess the price will be going up a bit more.
So much for pokemon being the cheapest game to build a tourney deck. lol

Kaga, if somebody showed up with a full-Japanese deck during the 10% rule, then he should have been treated like any other player with an illegal deck.
TPCI can't win because some of their moves are bound to annoy a great many people.
Just to clarify, we have a rotation that will make Lux even stronger than it already is and will also make a number of the Lux X currently being used, illegal.

The format will be friendly to the people with the money.
Good luck convincing a new player to stay with pokemon when most of the new stuff is garbage in the current format and they have to buy multiple copies of a card that will probably cost over a hundred bucks before much longer if they want any chance of actually winning an event.

Why wouldn't the new player just move on to Magic or yugioh?
If they are going to drop that kind of money, why wouldn't they do it for a game with bigger prizes?
Argue however you want and feel free to tell people to leave the game/don't play if they don't like it, but you need to remember that every time you say that, you are saying that TPCI doesn't want their business/money (I'm no business major, but driving away customers doesn't seem like a great plan).

I don't mean to threadjack, but this whole, "tpci can't win" thing is kind of silly since the next season seems like a big slap in the face to a good number of players and the constant refusal to even try to understand why so many players feel that way is pretty dang ignorant.

I think the 10% rule was a good thing and that anybody complaining about it ending now had over a year to bring it up.
The Japanese cards are going to be unusable and we will all still be alive regardless of it.

 

[Squidwina]

ryanvergel: Interesting that you take one sentence that you don't like and use it as an excuse to dismiss the rest of my post. Because the rest of my post politely disproves your contention that using outside references is universally considered "easier" than just using the cards on the table.

So if it makes you feel better to make fun of me than to talk to me, go right ahead. I'm a big girl. I can take it.


p.s. If your non-Japanese cards do, in fact, curl from the humidity in Florida, that's indeed a problem. But I don't recall you ever actually saying that, in this thread, or others. So how am I or anybody else to know that's an issue?

 

[SD PokeMom]

@jeremy: i believe the (non-japanese) player(s) who showed up at tourneys with complete japanese language decks did so PRIOR to the first decision to outlaw said cards from OP, not during the time the 10% rule was in force. those players' actions helped fuel the decision to make the cards illegal.

jmho
'mom

 

[ryanvergel]

ryanvergel: Interesting that you take one sentence that you don't like and use it as an excuse to dismiss the rest of my post. Because the rest of my post politely disproves your contention that using outside references is universally considered "easier" than just using the cards on the table.

So if it makes you feel better to make fun of me than to talk to me, go right ahead. I'm a big girl. I can take it.


p.s. If your non-Japanese cards do, in fact, curl from the humidity in Florida, that's indeed a problem. But I don't recall you ever actually saying that, in this thread, or others. So how am I or anybody else to know that's an issue?

http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1732185&postcount=9

I think the product is inferior to the Japanese product, but I am still supporting Nintendo and the Pokemon name. I live in Florida. The Japanese cards don't bend and don't curl like the English cards. They are more rigid, but appear slightly thinner. They are glossier and LOOK better. They outclass the English cards by a large margin.

The rest of your post I can dismiss in similar fashion.

The problems you mentioned regarding an inability to comprehend the information as well- that seems like a reading comprehension problem, not a problem in the rule. At worst, it's a problem on POP's part for making poor card-dexes that could be of a much higher and better quality.

As for people not using or potentially misusing the foreign cards- this is the same as ANYTHING in the game.

I find that having to use an outside reference is distracting and annoying.
Why? That's arbitrary. Annoying, why? Distracting?
It also clutters the play area, which can be a big problem in crowded tournaments.
It shouldn't.
If the opponent has to dig out a printed card-dex reference, it causes a delay.
There should be no digging for such a thing.

If a judge needs to be called, it causes further delays, not just for my game but for the other people who are waiting for rulings while they deal with the issue at my table.
Shouldn't happen, either

You're citing these possible problems, and they are no different than any other problem. If people are going to disobey the rules, and we shouldn't have rules because of that, then that's just ridiculous. You dislike this rule because it has the potential (like every other rule) to be broken or ignored? That's dumb.

And also, please remember that not all players are completely up on the rules regarding references
a player should know the rules- this is a poor criticismand/or they may feel too shy or intimidated to insist on seeing a reference in the face of an opponent who is obviously annoyed by the requestagain, this is also against the rules- shouldnt ever happen. The player may pressured to just accept the opponent's verbal explanation of what the card does.should never happen Even if the opponent is absolutely not trying to cheat, he or she may get it just a tiny bit wrong. And we all know that subleties in words or phrasing can make a huge difference.and that can happen by reading it on the card or on the paper or in a proxy binder, whatever

A whole bunch of stuff that should never happen. If it does, give the warning, or do whatever. DQ them if they aren't following the rules. It doesn't matter.

You cite all these possible instances, when NONE of them should ever come up. Every instance is someone doing something wrong- so issue the penalty and move on. The fact that rules can or will be broken doesn't mean they are bad. This kind of compromise is good for the game- it prevents inflation, people can use foreign primes and not have to proxy them at tournament, and people can continue to trade with foreign players and not end up with unplayable cards. The rule is only bad when people break it- but isn't ANY rule bad in that situation?

 

[Jeremy Badeaux]

p.s. If your non-Japanese cards do, in fact, curl from the humidity in Florida, that's indeed a problem. But I don't recall you ever actually saying that, in this thread, or others. So how am I or anybody else to know that's an issue?

The curling thing has been an ongoing discussion that has popped up more than once.
I'm not trying to gang up on you, but primes/legends tend to curl like mad and it hasn't been just one or two people experiencing that problem.

Thank you for clarifying that pokemom.
There will always be bitterness when something is ruined for everybody because of one person.
I liked the 10%, even though I never used it, I though that 6 cards was a very manageable number and would likely prevent problems from popping up.

Like I said in my first post in this topic, it's hard for me to side with people who knew this was going to happen and waited over a year to argue against it.

 

[Squidwina]

You specifically mentioned curling due to humidity only in post #31. The general problem with curling foils happens everywhere. So which are you talking about?

http://pokegym.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1732185&postcount=9The problems you mentioned regarding an inability to comprehend the information as well- that seems like a reading comprehension problem, not a problem in the rule. At worst, it's a problem on POP's part for making poor card-dexes that could be of a much higher and better quality.

I assure you that I have no particular reading comprehension problems. When a person is used to having information imparted in one specific way, then it takes additional effort to assimilate the same information presented in another medium. Communications 101.

I find that having to use an outside reference is distracting and annoying.
Why? That's arbitrary. Annoying, why? Distracting?

I find it distracting because I find it distracting. Res ipsa loquitur.

It also clutters the play area, which can be a big problem in crowded tournaments.
It shouldn't.
If the opponent has to dig out a printed card-dex reference, it causes a delay.
There should be no digging for such a thing.

If it's not in the play area and it's not in their bag, then where is it?

You cite all these possible instances, when NONE of them should ever come up.

But they do come up.


You keep stating that using foreign cards doesn't present a problem. Other people say that it does. Can you accept that it causes a problem for some people?

 

[ryanvergel]

The curling thing has been an ongoing discussion that has popped up more than once.
I'm not trying to gang up on you, but primes/legends tend to curl like mad and it hasn't been just one or two people experiencing that problem.

Thank you for clarifying that pokemom.
There will always be bitterness when something is ruined for everybody because of one person.
I liked the 10%, even though I never used it, I though that 6 cards was a very manageable number and would likely prevent problems from popping up.

Like I said in my first post in this topic, it's hard for me to side with people who knew this was going to happen and waited over a year to argue against it.

No one waited over a year to argue it. The rule was made BECAUSE people like me and others spent 20 pages on this website arguing vehemently against the ban for foreign cards.

People are re-introducing the arguments because this thread is about that very topic! No one is JUST beginning to argue it. No one waited a year to argue against it, so there is no one to possibly side with.

Maybe you should side with those who argued from the beginning and are arguing (again) because they were prompted by the topic.

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You specifically mentioned curling due to humidity only in post #31. The general problem with curling foils happens everywhere. So which are you talking about?

I assure you that I have no particular reading comprehension problems. When a person is used to having information imparted in one specific way, then it takes additional effort to assimilate the same information presented in another medium. Communications 101.

I find it distracting because I find it distracting. Res ipsa loquitur.

If it's not in the play area and it's not in their bag, then where is it?

But they do come up.


You keep stating that using foreign cards doesn't present a problem. Other people say that it does. Can you accept that it causes a problem for some people?

Did you not read when I quoted myself, or provided a link to where I discuss living in FLORIDA (the most humid state in the country)? English cards curve, and curve worst for me because of where I live, while Japanese ones don't. I don't even understand what you're talking about at this point. What isn't clear? The Japanese cards are much better in quality. In fact, the poor quality of the English cards makes them less playable. I guess I am too delicate, though. :thumb:


---------- Post added 06/11/2010 at 02:04 PM ----------

You specifically mentioned curling due to humidity only in post #31. The general problem with curling foils happens everywhere. So which are you talking about?

I assure you that I have no particular reading comprehension problems. When a person is used to having information imparted in one specific way, then it takes additional effort to assimilate the same information presented in another medium. Communications 101.

I find it distracting because I find it distracting. Res ipsa loquitur.

If it's not in the play area and it's not in their bag, then where is it?
Their deck box? Where 90% of players keep their card-dexs or translations?

But they do come up.


You keep stating that using foreign cards doesn't present a problem. Other people say that it does. Can you accept that it causes a problem for some people?

The rule doesn't create a problem- people breaking the rules or misusing such rules is the problem. There is nothing inherently wrong with a 10% compromise. And no, I cannot accept that it causes a problem for some people. There is no problem. The only problems that arise are akin to any other problems in deck lists or organization or clutter or communicating or SotG or gamesmanship- none of them stem BECAUSE of this rule, which is what I think you and many others are trying to argue for.

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When a person is used to having information imparted in one specific way, then it takes additional effort to assimilate the same information presented in another medium. Communications 101.

The retreat costs, HP, attack damage numbers, etc. are all the same on foreign/english cards. The "information you want imparted to you" in both instances are large blocks of text for attacks and powers/bodies. These blocks of text are no better or worse to be relayed using a card-dex.

The information is not imparted in a new way. It's merely on a different kind of paper. It is still a big block of text no matter what. On a card-dex, the text is larger and easier to read than smaller text on cards. The fact that the shape or placement of the block of text is different on a card-dex doesn't make your argument. The information is exactly the same in both instances. Having the text printed on a piece of cardboard instead of a piece of paper doesn't make it any easier to process. Nor would having it on a THINNER piece of paper (card->card dex printout) cause the information trying to be read to be processed with more difficulty. They are presented in the same manner- blocks of text.

 

[Politoed666]

I doubt it's a money-based move because I really can't see the few Japanese cards that people use actually being a significant drain on their profits. Most people who buy Pokemon cards probably don't even play in tournaments, let alone use Japanese cards. I think the main thing is that Japanese cards are annoying for players to read, and someone like me who doesn't memorize all the cards needs to read them in order to understand what is happening. It seems like I'm the only player against Japanese cards but they are really annoying to play against. Also, some people may not have as much access to Japanese cards, and particular ones may be easier to get, so it would be a little unfair to people to allow it.

Overall I think the ban on foreign cards is nice and I won't miss them!

Japanese Luxray GL Lv.X is going to go from around $50 to about $15... at least that's my prediction. For people holding a lot of them, that's a tremendous loss. And although I assume you're right that most who buy cards don't play in tournaments, I think that a near-majority, if not a downright majority of cards sold are to tournament players. Think about it. A casual collector might buy a few packs every few weeks, and buy cards second hand to complete sets, but the players are the ones who generate a lot of big sales on boxes and whatnot.

 

[bullados]

Ryan, it's all well and good to say what *shouldn't* happen in this game. It's a lot like saying that blackmail, theft, and murder shouldn't happen in the real world. The fact is that all of this can and often do happen, especially as populations (events) get larger and police support (event staffs) get smaller relative to the population (attendance). I think that every person that has ever Judged a sufficiently large event (and I'll leave the definition of "large" to your imagination) has run into translation issues at least once, if not more often than that, or they know of a situation that happened at an event that they Judged.

I applaud this rule as an attempt to make both the player's and the Judge's life easier. For the player, it means not having to worry about translation issues, the Card-Dex, cluttered playing surfaces, and the intimidation factor. For Judges, it just makes card rulings that much easier when the actual, physical card is sitting right in front of you, not to mention trying to enforce the translation rules (either 10% or the previous rules).

Oh yeah. And I've got no problems with you criticizing the card stock used in PCI cards. I know I've complained about this more than once living in Illinois. Remember the pathetic state of the old Deoxys cards? It isn't that bad anymore, thankfully. But, still. It'd be nice to see cards printed that don't bend to this degree under high humidity conditions...

 

[ryanvergel]

It seems extremely easy to avoid these problems. A deck check before the tournament would eliminate the problem of not having a proper card-dex or translation. The clutter problem? That isn't a problem. Put it in your deck box. It shouldn't BE out cluttering the field- do we allow other items to clutter the field? No. If it's not in use, then it wouldn't/shouldn't be cluttering the field REGARDLESS of what it is. A card-dex or a camera or a bottle of water or a backpack- if it isn't being used then why is it taking up space or ever causing clutter? Doesn't make sense to me.

Why is it easier to judge with the card right in front of you? With a proxy or a card-dex, you can actually leave the game state in a more in-tact state, and read off of the card-dex. The card-dex is larger and easier for multiple people to read as well. I see this as another random distinction that people are drawing.

Enforcement? Hey, this isn't English- got a translation or card-dex? No? Sorry buddy, try again. Oh, got it? Okay, cool. Carry on.

It's cluttering the play area? That's like anything else that would clutter the area.
Someone intimidates? That's like any other form of intimidation.
Someone doesn't have the proper translation/card-dex? Improper decklist/deck or whatever, and hand out the penalty. It's not hard.

I feel like all of these problems are just particular instances of other rules. This rule wouldn't/shouldn't allow OTHER rules to be broken, which is what all of these suggestions are! If people are more likely to do these things, then it's just dumb. The deck check staff should be decent. It's not that much harder to process it. Tell em to get the correct stuff or the deck check isn't a pass. Easy as that. Cluttering the playfield? Nothing should be. Intimidation? Nothing should be.

You think this rule makes it more likely to disregard common sense or something? Or forget the old rules? Why would this encourage people to break other rules- I don't get it. I've never run into a problem in Florida both for any of my opponents or myself, or as a judge or a deck checker. IDK. If they get through deck check, then they either opted out of it (full responsibility on them) or it's easy to fix or disallow right then and there. It never clutters the tables we play on more than anything else does/should, and most people keep them in small binders or in their deckbox. I've always had a translation, and my opponent has always ended up with a translation. These problems you guys bring up seem to be stemming from something else. I don't accept the argument that this rule causes or leads to these other problems. Why would this lead to someone disregarding rules they already know? Why would a new rule make people break old ones!?

The 10% rule is a good thing. It helps with inflation, allows people to trade with international players and be able to play with the cards, and allows for certain physical deck inconsistencies (having to use certain primes or Xs or reverse holos that tend to significantly bend or curve, and using japanese versions instead). The fact that there will be ancillary problems because of this rule is moot because those problems are just like any other problems. It isn't logical that a new rule would increase people breaking old rules, and any other rules being broken are just instances of that particular rule being broken. That would just be negligence.

 

[Jeremy Badeaux]

You specifically mentioned curling due to humidity only in post #31. The general problem with curling foils happens everywhere. So which are you talking about?

Seriously, it looks like you're picking any little detail to argue about right now.

A good number of people are having issues with cards curling (whether it be due to high humidity, or in an area with low humidity).
You tried to say that something wasn't brought up before and you were proven wrong, but instead of accepting it and moving on, you have to argue semantics to try to make the point about something else entirely.

Ryan, I got back into the game a little bit after the last rotation and I spent the last year seeing almost nobody voice any displeasure with the announced plan.
Admittedly, coming back into the game and seeing the 10% rule made me do a double-take, but I could easily understand the reasoning behind 10%.
I have been active on pokegym and other communities since I got back and I saw people argue about the actions of a POP rep, calls that various judges made, what would or would not be in upcoming sets, why lost link would be garbage or outright broken, how broken sp had gotten, a brazillion topics about likely rotations, and 0 topics about how the 10% rule should stay.

I could very well be wrong, but you should be able to understand why somebody would think that if people knew about this so far in advance, they could have been making a slightly more constant effort (as opposed to to arguing about possible set lists or why usaring prime sucks).

I know the 10% came about from people fighting tooth and nail to get it, but where did all of that fight go for the last year?

 

[ryanvergel]

Seriously, it looks like you're picking any little detail to argue about right now.

A good number of people are having issues with cards curling (whether it be due to high humidity, or in an area with low humidity).
You tried to say that something wasn't brought up before and you were proven wrong, but instead of accepting it and moving on, you have to argue semantics to try to make the point about something else entirely.

Ryan, I got back into the game a little bit after the last rotation and I spent the last year seeing almost nobody voice any displeasure with the announced plan.
Admittedly, coming back into the game and seeing the 10% rule made me do a double-take, but I could easily understand the reasoning behind 10%.
I have been active on pokegym and other communities since I got back and I saw people argue about the actions of a POP rep, calls that various judges made, what would or would not be in upcoming sets, why lost link would be garbage or outright broken, how broken sp had gotten, a brazillion topics about likely rotations, and 0 topics about how the 10% rule should stay.

I could very well be wrong, but you should be able to understand why somebody would think that if people knew about this so far in advance, they could have been making a slightly more constant effort (as opposed to to arguing about possible set lists or why usaring prime sucks).

I know the 10% came about from people fighting tooth and nail to get it, but where did all of that fight go for the last year?

I don't know. Personally, it went towards other issues, like invite structure and tournament structure. I would love an overhaul of the tournament system and/or the invite structure. I think most people felt that they had 'won' in getting the compromise. No more fighting tooth and nail because that is exhausting, and all the points were belabored.

I personally think that the foreign cards are good for the game.

 

[Squidwina]

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And no, I cannot accept that it causes a problem for some people. There is no problem.

And I feel that it is a problem.

Is there some reason that my opinion is less valid than yours?