Kingdra
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Nobodys
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woops sorry forgot about cyclone energy lol it sux that it's so hard to get out special energies tho but that's life.
the lux x was just an idea - you'd have to add the lightning energy to make it work but i don't see a problem getting it out / bench space with ur list. it's a kind of a card you probably wouldn't want to play unless you had to gust something or were in the mirror match. if you don't need it, discard it to power up kingdra.
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smack tack's list is good but doesn't have a way to deal with spiritomb aaand palmer's > NM. seriously, by the time you need to use palmer's or NM it's late game and it doesn't matter that you're consuming a supporter slot, esp. with the draw power of 2 claydols. the issues that people have with the list i see is mainly consistency - i.e. why play 3 of something with a bunch of cards to fish for what you need when you can play the extra card and depend to have it t1? esp kingdra, when discarding powers him up so that dead cards are a not such a bad thing.
the lux x was just an idea - you'd have to add the lightning energy to make it work but i don't see a problem getting it out / bench space with ur list. it's a kind of a card you probably wouldn't want to play unless you had to gust something or were in the mirror match. if you don't need it, discard it to power up kingdra.
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smack tack's list is good but doesn't have a way to deal with spiritomb aaand palmer's > NM. seriously, by the time you need to use palmer's or NM it's late game and it doesn't matter that you're consuming a supporter slot, esp. with the draw power of 2 claydols. the issues that people have with the list i see is mainly consistency - i.e. why play 3 of something with a bunch of cards to fish for what you need when you can play the extra card and depend to have it t1? esp kingdra, when discarding powers him up so that dead cards are a not such a bad thing.
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nnaann
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To be honest my brother is a senior and I would take apart that deck for him if he ever was going to run it. Its not really that strong for Seniors or Masters imo. Just basic things I don't understand, like why do you have 2 Pluspower and 2 Poketurn? Why not just take those out to max out Poketurn? Also regardless if you can get Claydols back, you're still giving away 1HKO's.
Deoxys Cool Form
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Ok, if you're going to bash my list, fine, but do you have anything on the FP to show for yourself? If not, please stop bashing, this list is fine for me and I don't intend for someone to pick it up and have it be the best deck in the world. I am still changing it around, so in the meantime make your own article and then I'll concede your point.
No I don't but you don't have to. If you're a good player with a good deck why would you want it in the open anyways? It may be fine for you but not for the rest of the 'gym. I'm not saying it has to be the best deck in the world. I'm asking that you actually have a decent list. If you're still changing it around why post it now? You might as well wait. I don't want to make an article 'cos I don't have the time and I'm having a semi break. You don't have to have an article to show your the 'best'. Look at the world champs. And may I ask how have you done with the deck? My list has got 1st, 2nd and 3rd. I'm sure many other people have done just aswell. I'm sorry if I sound blunt but after posts and posts on the 'gym I have come to the understanding that blunt is the only thing they tend to listen to. I will say one thing though. Your match ups are really good. It's just your decklist.
No I don't but you don't have to. If you're a good player with a good deck why would you want it in the open anyways? It may be fine for you but not for the rest of the 'gym. I'm not saying it has to be the best deck in the world. I'm asking that you actually have a decent list. If you're still changing it around why post it now? You might as well wait. I don't want to make an article 'cos I don't have the time and I'm having a semi break. You don't have to have an article to show your the 'best'. Look at the world champs. And may I ask how have you done with the deck? My list has got 1st, 2nd and 3rd. I'm sure many other people have done just aswell. I'm sorry if I sound blunt but after posts and posts on the 'gym I have come to the understanding that blunt is the only thing they tend to listen to. I will say one thing though. Your match ups are really good. It's just your decklist.
smacktack15
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Qwachansey
Active Member
I would recommend Warp Points. Here is my list:
Pokemon: 22
4 x Kingdra
3 x Seadra
4 x Horsea
2 x Claydol
2 x Baltoy
1 x Uxie
1 x Crobat G
2 x Unown G
1 x Nidoqueen
1 x Nidoran (female)
1 x Azelf
Helpers: 29
4 x Roseanne's Research
4 x Bebe's Search
4 x Rare Candy
3 x Broken Time - Space
2 x Warp Point
3 x Poke Turn
1 x Luxury Ball
1 x Palmer's Contribution
3 x Expert Belt
4 x Super Scoop Up
Energy: 9
8 x Water
1 x Multi
I plan on taking out Azelf and something else for two Sableye. I have found that I almost never use Crobat G, and I could take out 4 cards from that for another 1 - 1 Claydol, an extra Luxury Ball, and another Warp Point.
I like your list, though I personally would not use some of the trainer draws. Marley's Request is an interesting idea for a failed and vital SSU.
Pokemon: 22
4 x Kingdra
3 x Seadra
4 x Horsea
2 x Claydol
2 x Baltoy
1 x Uxie
1 x Crobat G
2 x Unown G
1 x Nidoqueen
1 x Nidoran (female)
1 x Azelf
Helpers: 29
4 x Roseanne's Research
4 x Bebe's Search
4 x Rare Candy
3 x Broken Time - Space
2 x Warp Point
3 x Poke Turn
1 x Luxury Ball
1 x Palmer's Contribution
3 x Expert Belt
4 x Super Scoop Up
Energy: 9
8 x Water
1 x Multi
I plan on taking out Azelf and something else for two Sableye. I have found that I almost never use Crobat G, and I could take out 4 cards from that for another 1 - 1 Claydol, an extra Luxury Ball, and another Warp Point.
I like your list, though I personally would not use some of the trainer draws. Marley's Request is an interesting idea for a failed and vital SSU.
Alazor
Active Member
I really don't see why people are bashing your list. It's not bad.
I really don't see why people are bashing your list. It's not bad.
The Build:
Pokemon: 19
4x Horsea LA
3x Seadra LA
4x Kingdra LA
2x Baltoy GE
2x Claydol GE
1x Crobat G PL
1x Uxie LA
1 Azelf (LA)
1 Skunktank G (Platinum)
Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 33
3x Broken Time-Space (Platinum)
4x Roseanne’s Research (Secret Wonders)
3x Bebe’s Search (Rising Rivals)
1 Pokemon Rescue (Platinum)
2x Cynthia's Feelings (Legends Awakened)
4x Rare Candy
4x Super Scoop-Up (Diamond and Pearl)
2x Expert Belt
2x Warp Point
3x PokeTurn
1x Luxury Ball (Stormfront)
2x Night Maintenance
2x Pokedex Handy910is
Energy: 8
2x Multi Energy
6x Water Energy
I can see you wanted to play Cyclone because of Spiritomb lock and Pluspower in case of power lock, but with Multi Energy you can still attack with Claydol if you get Gusted up or something. And all you need for Spiritomb is a thick pokemon line and you already have Broken Tome Space.
I'm not too much against Pluspower, because you might be Power locked and how would you do that extra 10 damage? With Pluspower of course.
I replaced Pokedrawer + with Cynthia's Feeling's, because sometimes it doesn't matter exactly what you draw,
as much as how much you draw, so you can get that something and something else.
I added Warp Point, because it's necessary for that extra element of surprise.
I really don't see why people are bashing your list. It's not bad.
The Build:
Pokemon: 19
4x Horsea LA
3x Seadra LA
4x Kingdra LA
2x Baltoy GE
2x Claydol GE
1x Crobat G PL
1x Uxie LA
1 Azelf (LA)
1 Skunktank G (Platinum)
Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 33
3x Broken Time-Space (Platinum)
4x Roseanne’s Research (Secret Wonders)
3x Bebe’s Search (Rising Rivals)
1 Pokemon Rescue (Platinum)
2x Cynthia's Feelings (Legends Awakened)
4x Rare Candy
4x Super Scoop-Up (Diamond and Pearl)
2x Expert Belt
2x Warp Point
3x PokeTurn
1x Luxury Ball (Stormfront)
2x Night Maintenance
2x Pokedex Handy910is
Energy: 8
2x Multi Energy
6x Water Energy
I can see you wanted to play Cyclone because of Spiritomb lock and Pluspower in case of power lock, but with Multi Energy you can still attack with Claydol if you get Gusted up or something. And all you need for Spiritomb is a thick pokemon line and you already have Broken Tome Space.
I'm not too much against Pluspower, because you might be Power locked and how would you do that extra 10 damage? With Pluspower of course.
I replaced Pokedrawer + with Cynthia's Feeling's, because sometimes it doesn't matter exactly what you draw,
as much as how much you draw, so you can get that something and something else.
I added Warp Point, because it's necessary for that extra element of surprise.
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yoyofsho16
New Member
And when they Paralyze you every turn and this deck has no outs against it, what are you supposed to do?
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Ugh, so much hypocrisy here in comparison with the posts in "Quality of Front Page Articles" thread, I don't even feel like going into it.
And the list isn't that bad... c'mon, Michael, you know how to make a Kingdra yourself.
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Alazor
Active Member
Alazor
Active Member
"So we finally moved on to attacking michael for being to FRIENDLY ?!
Somethings very odd here xD
3 Bebes hurt >.<
And 1 Unown G improves your Gengar Matchup so much, I dont get why you wouldnt run one"
It's Pokegym instinct I tell you! Out with it! We want the absolutely perfect decklist!
:O
I applaud the author and whatnot! I think all Kingdra players may be at a disadvantage now. :/
But I don't know for sure.
Somethings very odd here xD
3 Bebes hurt >.<
And 1 Unown G improves your Gengar Matchup so much, I dont get why you wouldnt run one"
It's Pokegym instinct I tell you! Out with it! We want the absolutely perfect decklist!
:O
I applaud the author and whatnot! I think all Kingdra players may be at a disadvantage now. :/
But I don't know for sure.
Sparky
New Member
Listen, arguing is getting us nowhere. I'll be the mature one and drop it seeing as how we're getting nowhere.
W/E. I find PokeDex helps me, do w/e you like.
Yeah, Cyclone does kind of suck, but, it's better than nothing.
Ahh, see, at the point where I was making this article, I overlooked that. Real life came in, and Pokemon had to take a backseat cause of my sucky grades. :frown: Yes, I do see my mistakes now, but IMO Kingdra is still a fair enough deck to run.
Not responding.
Nuh-Uh!
I really don't see why people are bashing your list. It's not bad.
I would've liked to add Warps in too, but, IDK. Didn't really see anything I wanted to cut.
I really don't see why people are bashing your list. It's not bad.
The Build:
Pokemon: 19
4x Horsea LA
3x Seadra LA
4x Kingdra LA
2x Baltoy GE
2x Claydol GE
1x Crobat G PL
1x Uxie LA
1 Azelf (LA)
1 Skunktank G (Platinum)
Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 33
3x Broken Time-Space (Platinum)
4x Roseanne’s Research (Secret Wonders)
3x Bebe’s Search (Rising Rivals)
1 Pokemon Rescue (Platinum)
2x Cynthia's Feelings (Legends Awakened)
4x Rare Candy
4x Super Scoop-Up (Diamond and Pearl)
2x Expert Belt
2x Warp Point
3x PokeTurn
1x Luxury Ball (Stormfront)
2x Night Maintenance
2x Pokedex Handy910is
Energy: 8
2x Multi Energy
6x Water Energy
I can see you wanted to play Cyclone because of Spiritomb lock and Pluspower in case of power lock, but with Multi Energy you can still attack with Claydol if you get Gusted up or something. And all you need for Spiritomb is a thick pokemon line and you already have Broken Tome Space.
I'm not too much against Pluspower, because you might be Power locked and how would you do that extra 10 damage? With Pluspower of course.
I replaced Pokedrawer + with Cynthia's Feeling's, because sometimes it doesn't matter exactly what you draw,
as much as how much you draw, so you can get that something and something else.
I added Warp Point, because it's necessary for that extra element of surprise.
Thank you! :smile: Changes are noted, and if I ever have to change it, I'll try and use some of your ideas! :biggrin:
Distract them your stunning good looks and dazzling smiles?
No but really. you don't. Glisctomb isn't a problem in my area really, so I haven't really thought of anything to get around that yet. :frown:Yeah, I know I should find room to squeeze one in. :biggrin: I honestly appreciate the help, but, I don't really end up needing it. *shrug* Maybe I'm playing bad Gengar lists??
Woohoo! Kingdra is da' man!
No really, I do enjoy this deck, but it's not the best. I mean, c'mon, I got donked by Gengar!
Deoxys Cool Form
New Member
Not responding.
Have it your way. I know it can be hard responding to arguments then realising your wrong half way through.
Have it your way. I know it can be hard responding to arguments then realising your wrong half way through.
Check out the "what won city's thread." Luxchomp has won the most so far out of any deck. I believe shuppet is third.
Shino Bug Master
Front Page News Editor
"I'll be the mature one and drop it seeing as how we're getting nowhere"
Try, you'll drop it because you refuse to listen to what is being said. A frontpage article should not be personal opinion, it should be a factual, tested, and insightful report on a competitive deck that comes from testing against great builds of other competitive decks. Everything should be well supported. There should be no glarringly obvious flaws. It isn't that difficult. And before you try and pull the "where is your front page article/I don't have to listen to you noob" bash, I posted sevral articles on Pokebeach, with the intent for feedback to then publish here, but was caught without a computer for a while. And then obviously, format changed, everything in articles were out of date, school, hobbies etc.
This is why I dislike full decklists in articles. Can it be done effectively? Yes. And it has before, but this thread showcases where the entire article is set esque due to an unreliable list that everything is hooked around. This article doesn't explain about Kingdra at all. It explains how if you don't play against Flygon, Gengar, Gliscor or SPS and run this deck, what you can hope to do. This doesn't really explain any of the techs in full enough detail, which is where I usually like articles to be the strongest, as every area differs and setting one ultimadium play won't work for everyone. A bare-bone article would also work well for that.
I can't fathom how even a bad Gengar list could ever lose to this. Kingdra HAS to have Claydol in play, and you leave it there like a sitting duck. I think that it seems like everyone is bashing you personally, but it's not really how it's meant. The way the article is written is just not quite up with the articles that we bash for a shorter period of time. Oh, sorry, I mean appreciate. You say "School got in the way" well then you should've just waited. Posting a rushed article, that then gets accepted, would turn the article section into a joke.
If you ever decide to write another article, consider looking through the ones we already have first,a dn really taking note of their format. I'd reccomend the LuxApe article here: http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=109273
If school or other social networks become a problem, get a co-author, so between the two (or more if you have multiple) can get it done, proof read, and have the best possible article.
Try, you'll drop it because you refuse to listen to what is being said. A frontpage article should not be personal opinion, it should be a factual, tested, and insightful report on a competitive deck that comes from testing against great builds of other competitive decks. Everything should be well supported. There should be no glarringly obvious flaws. It isn't that difficult. And before you try and pull the "where is your front page article/I don't have to listen to you noob" bash, I posted sevral articles on Pokebeach, with the intent for feedback to then publish here, but was caught without a computer for a while. And then obviously, format changed, everything in articles were out of date, school, hobbies etc.
This is why I dislike full decklists in articles. Can it be done effectively? Yes. And it has before, but this thread showcases where the entire article is set esque due to an unreliable list that everything is hooked around. This article doesn't explain about Kingdra at all. It explains how if you don't play against Flygon, Gengar, Gliscor or SPS and run this deck, what you can hope to do. This doesn't really explain any of the techs in full enough detail, which is where I usually like articles to be the strongest, as every area differs and setting one ultimadium play won't work for everyone. A bare-bone article would also work well for that.
I can't fathom how even a bad Gengar list could ever lose to this. Kingdra HAS to have Claydol in play, and you leave it there like a sitting duck. I think that it seems like everyone is bashing you personally, but it's not really how it's meant. The way the article is written is just not quite up with the articles that we bash for a shorter period of time. Oh, sorry, I mean appreciate. You say "School got in the way" well then you should've just waited. Posting a rushed article, that then gets accepted, would turn the article section into a joke.
If you ever decide to write another article, consider looking through the ones we already have first,a dn really taking note of their format. I'd reccomend the LuxApe article here: http://pokegym.net/forums/showthread.php?t=109273
If school or other social networks become a problem, get a co-author, so between the two (or more if you have multiple) can get it done, proof read, and have the best possible article.
Sparky
New Member
As far as Unown G goes, based on what I have played, this deck does well. I don't know what decks YOU play in comparison to what I play, but w/e. I AM honestly understanding what you guys are saying, but based on what I have played, they don't seem logical to make the tweaks to my build. Yes, Gengar snipes my Claydol, Unown G is NOT the universal answer to that. Is it the most common seen, yes. But I find in my build I often end up with Unown G as my start. It is not appreciated how you jumped into a conversation that had absolutely nothing to do with you. Could my article have been longer, better, and customized to your liking? Of course, but should've, would've could've. When I read it over, I saw nothing wrong with it, besides the list, which I'm still changing around. Mr. Meches checked it, and after a few changes, it was published. Yes, I understand I should'be waited longer to give the "best" list. However, I felt the right time was then. Yes, I understand I could've made the strategy section longer, but I felt that it was better placed in the Match-Up's Section, where it's slightly easier to discern how I play against each individual deck. But of course, that's personal opinion, which obviously isn't suited for Front Page Articles.
Thing is I have no decklist/cards to properly playtest against them. :frown:
Dude, just chill. What's your problem anyways? Does the fact that my article is not 100% perfect for the FP mean that you have something against me? And who are you trying to put words in my mouth! Please, unless you have something with actual merit to it, don't post again.
JBowroxmysox
New Member
I don't know if it's been said, but the beauty of Kingdra lies in its ability to run cards that would usually make the deck consistent, but highly redundant. Things like 3-4 BTS, extra Luxury Ball, extra Claydol lines, and other cards can be used because of the brilliance that is Dragon Pump. Other cards in the deck simply boost the damage, which is needed most of the time. It's a great attack, and the discard lets you build the deck much differently than your normal fast-Stage 2-deck.
That's the thing that needs to be taken advantage of most with Kingdra.
By the way, I wouldn't wanna see a decent article get locked because of all of the stupidity of the people arguing/flaming/etc. Quit it, y'all.
That's the thing that needs to be taken advantage of most with Kingdra.
By the way, I wouldn't wanna see a decent article get locked because of all of the stupidity of the people arguing/flaming/etc. Quit it, y'all.
Sparky
New Member
Definately. However, I wanted to include other cards to speed the deck up by MY standars, so I cut them to make room for other cards.
Thanks for positive criticsm. :thumb:
I'm not just going to drop an arguement because a few post' have not convinced you. SSU is not always possible for your Claydol when I use Crobats to KO Claydol in one turn nullifying SSU. I realize I won't always have the crobats, but you won't always have the SSU AND flip heads. It's more likely for me to have poketurns, since pretty much all Gengars run 2 crobats and 4 turn. You run 4 SSU and have to flip heads. Besides, I'm not just going to let Claydol sit there with 6 damage counters on it waiting for Crobats. I still think you will not have 2 expert belts to KO me w/out fainting spell when you have no Claydol.