LM Gengar deck

[Thunderbolt]

why is DRE a staple? so pidge can do 30 and gengar can do 50? whoopee! gengar's first attack only needs a psy and a react to place 4 counters, and that's the goal of the deck anyways. why water down the energy base with something not even necessary?

energy should look like this:
4 React
1 Cyclone
3 Holon ton/trode (save ur react before gengar bites the dust and hit for 60)
8 Psychic

and at least 2 holon lass should be run in anything that needs react. wasting a QS for it is dumb.

metagross is unnecessary. gengars only need a react and a psy, and since ur controlling their ohko's w/ gengar's power and curse powder, having time to put an energy on a benched gastly/haunter/gengar shouldn't be too hard. metagross adds another stage 2 line to the mix, which is really hard to do since gengar needs so many trainers to be able to work, like curse powder, atm, pow!, etc.

oh, btw, haunters should be split frlg/lm. if u run 3 haunters, 1 of them should at least be frlg. head trip is a nice way to get out of paralysis/sleep in a pinch.

I agree with you 100% there. I never thought why would people even think of using a DRE in this deck. Its a good card but not in here. I'm going to take out a Scramble Energy also. And maybe switch the Holon Farmer for a Pokemon Retriver. Should I take out an Admin too?

And yes, Metagross is unessesary in here. 3 stage 2 lines in one deck is too much. This isn't Rock-Lock.

 

[zapdos ex]

how exactly does it get a consistant start? you might a starter.

 

[Thunderbolt]

I was going to add Great Ball. Should it be 2 or 3?

you might a starter.

Dat mayde kno sence.

 

[zapdos ex]

uh, jirachi, plusle, magmar, cleffa etc...ring a bell? should add maybe 3 great balls.

 

[Thunderbolt]

This deck doesn't need a starter. If Nidoqueen doesn't then nither does this.

 

[zapdos ex]

nidoqueens starter was nidoran and look for friends.

 

[Thunderbolt]

Oh yeah. But most of the time you start with Feebas or Pidgey in Queendom.

 

[zapdos ex]

then you get a great ball and get your nidoran as active to LFF to get more basics. you can use swoop if you want tho.

 

[Thunderbolt]

Then i'll maybe add Plusle or Something.

 

[zapdos ex]

hey, you don't have to take my advice if you don't want to. but if you did add plusle, it makes it so your pidgeot and genar get out pretty fast...
(or if you want to be stupid, you can add lunatone to get rare candy from your deck...)

 

[ryanvergel]

Oh yeah. But most of the time you start with Feebas or Pidgey in Queendom.

Where did you pull 'most of the time' from? Out of your rear?
There are 4 nidoran, and 3 pidgey, and 1 feebas. The chance of drawing a nidoran is the same as drawing a non-nidoran. So, statistically speaking, calculating the possibility of drawing multiple basic starters, chances are you actually start with nidoran.

Please do some mathematical processing before reaching ignorant conclusions like the one you just asserted. You are dead wrong, most of the time you start with NIDORAN, not pidgey or feebas.

 

[Thunderbolt]

Where did you pull 'most of the time' from? Out of your rear?
There are 4 nidoran, and 3 pidgey, and 1 feebas. The chance of drawing a nidoran is the same as drawing a non-nidoran. So, statistically speaking, calculating the possibility of drawing multiple basic starters, chances are you actually start with nidoran.

Please do some mathematical processing before reaching ignorant conclusions like the one you just asserted. You are dead wrong, most of the time you start with NIDORAN, not pidgey or feebas.

Well, before you come to my thread and start flamming me for some silly mistake, for NO reason at all, I was talking about MYSELF.

Oh yeah. But most of the time you start with Feebas or Pidgey in Queendom.

I MEANT MYSELF OK? MYSELF.

 

[zapdos ex]

Where did you pull 'most of the time' from? Out of your rear?
There are 4 nidoran, and 3 pidgey, and 1 feebas. The chance of drawing a nidoran is the same as drawing a non-nidoran. So, statistically speaking, calculating the possibility of drawing multiple basic starters, chances are you actually start with nidoran.

Please do some mathematical processing before reaching ignorant conclusions like the one you just asserted. You are dead wrong, most of the time you start with NIDORAN, not pidgey or feebas.

dude, no bashing my friend...either help him or leave. read the first post yet? and its an equal amount of time that you get a pigey or feebas...3+1=4, 4=4.

 

[ryanvergel]

dude, no bashing my friend...either help him or leave. read the first post yet? and its an equal amount of time that you get a pigey or feebas...3+1=4, 4=4.

So, statistically speaking, calculating the possibility of drawing multiple basic starters, chances are you actually start with nidoran.

No, it's not equal. The chances of being able to have a nidoran start are greater than having a non-nidoran start.
Yes, there are 4 of each sample. But guess what, you failed to take into consideration the possibility of more than one basic. Remember that you can draw 1 nidoran AND a pidgey from your 7 cards, and taking into account the ability to draw multiple basics increases the chances from 50/50 to more than 50/50.
Thus, nidoran starts are more likely.

I meant myself.

I'm sorry the laws of probability cease to apply to you. You are a very lucky individual.
You shouldn't base probability or likelihood on past events. That is called availability heuristic, and it leads to bias. You believe that an event(having a non-nidoran start) is more likely to occur(which I proved is not the case) just because you've had that less likely event occur recently or a few times.

You could get a feebas start 100 times in a row, that does not change the probability of a non-feebas start. Statistics do not lie. Pokemon is math-based. It is all probability. The probability of being able to start with a nidoran is greater than the probability of starting with no nidoran. Thus, nidoran starts are the most likely starts you will get in Queendom.

 

[Thunderbolt]

I thought we were trying to help my GENGAR deck. Now we are talking about Queendom.

 

[zapdos ex]

No, it's not equal. The chances of being able to have a nidoran start are greater than having a non-nidoran start.


I'm sorry the laws of probability cease to apply to you. You are a very lucky individual.
You shouldn't base probability or likelihood on past events. That is called availability heuristic, and it leads to bias. You believe that an event(having a non-nidoran start) is more likely to occur(which I proved is not the case) just because you've had that less likely event occur recently or a few times.

You could get a feebas start 100 times in a row, that does not change the probability of a non-feebas start. Statistics do not lie. Pokemon is math-based. It is all probability. The probability of being able to start with a nidoran is greater than the probability of starting with no nidoran. Thus, nidoran starts are the most likely starts you will get in Queendom.

whats the probablilty that you will actually starts to help his gengar deck? instead of trying to prove someone younger than you that he is wrong when actually you can be wrong...

but your right, pokemon is a math based game, but you cant go tho the game thinking of what could happen, and more on what will happen...but all of this can actually reflect of this gengar deck.

 

[ryanvergel]

One of the marks of a poor player is his or her inability to assess probability in this game. Like poker, and like any other luck based game, a player's ability to determine the probability of different events occuring(drawing an ideal basic, having a key card prized, etc) can boost one's skill level a significant amount.

I didn't bring up queendom, you did thunderbolt. Zapdos made 2 posts about queendom, and you, thunderbolt, made 2 posts about queendom. You steered the thread into that yourself. I saw a blatantly wrong assertion, so I corrected you. That way if others read this thread, they won't get the wrong idea simply because you can't use math and because you're full of bias.

I will help your deck because I am feeling nice today.

1. 3/2/3 pidgeot is not needed.
2. Cursed powder is nice. 3 is a solid number.
3. You need 2 atm rock, which you have.
4. You need a means to get basics, whatever that means is.
5. You do not need more than 14 energy. You need 2 energy to attack, and if you need 3, you should be providing it via DRE or scramble. I use 13 energy in my gengar deck.
6. Mew ex is not needed. You don't use rainbow energy or a significant amount of holon's energy to make use of mew. You want to have Gengar active, because he uses his body, uses atm rock, uses cursed powder, and is doing the damage. Mew won't really help too much. The only thing Mew might be able to help with is against rocklock(being able to copy spintail might be nice, but they can easily bite off and take put you in a worse situation). IMO, accept the rocklock loss, you can't win them all. Go for consistancy.
7. Giant Stump is phenomenal in gengar. This is because if you set the tone for damage. Ideally you damage their heavy hitters or important pokemon. This means that if you lay a stump, they will be discarding two kinds of pokemon(or, rather, have the choice of discarding two kinds of pokemon). They can either discard useless pokemon(okay, no biggie-if they do this, you still get free shots at their important pokemon). If they discard those damaged important pokemon(maybe a pidgeot, or an ex or whatever) then guess what... they just did your job for you-eliminating the threat themselves.

There you go, do whatever you want.

 

[zapdos ex]

One of the marks of a poor player is his or her inability to assess probability in this game. Like poker, and like any other luck based game, a player's ability to determine the probability of different events occuring(drawing an ideal basic, having a key card prized, etc) can boost one's skill level a significant amount.

I didn't bring up queendom, you did thunderbolt. Zapdos made 2 posts about queendom, and you, thunderbolt, made 2 posts about queendom. You steered the thread into that yourself. I saw a blatantly wrong assertion, so I corrected you. That way if others read this thread, they won't get the wrong idea simply because you can't use math and because you're full of bias.

I will help your deck because I am feeling nice today.

1. 3/2/3 pidgeot is not needed
2. Cursed powder is nice
3. You need 2 atm rock
4. You need a means to get basics, whatever that means is
5. You do not need more than 14 energy. You need 2 energy to attack, and if you need 3, you should be providing it via DRE or scramble. I use 13 energy in my gengar deck.

okay...but then what about super psybolt? it'll only do 50...and i still think a searcher is needed.
anyway, nice tips RV.

What i reccomend is like a plusle too, and pows would be fun.

 

[ryanvergel]

I said a 3/2/3 pidgeot line is not needed. How does that mean the same as "pidgeot is not needed"?
Who cares if psybolt will only do 50, how often will you even be using it? The ability to even use that attack sooner(if you NEED to use it, the sooner the better) outweighs the downside that it doesn 10 less damage.

 

[zapdos ex]

oh...misunderstanding. i would reduce it to a 2-1-2 line of pidgeot and add a tech to it.