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LostGar makes P!P stupid.

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LoTad said:
@yoshi: In earlier threads I did discuss the option of deafening from (hopefully) turn 1 until after the + 3. But I've played 6 games in the matchup and I only used that strategy once. For the record, it worked quite well actually (we time our games while testing to make it a more realistic environment). With added sp radars and junk arms, it is easy to empty my hand of pokemon every single turn.

Your argument for level down is valid...if I level up. Generally, I leave the x in my deck and my radars in my hand as long as I can.
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Sure once weve put this deafen lock stuff aside because its obviously nothing but a last ditch effort once you have nothing more to loose we come to the real question.

Can Whateverchomp stop gengar from setting up and fulfilling its wincondition by just roflchomping through everything before its evolved? Gengar has to sac efficiancy to increasy consistency and vice versa. Findign the balance will be the trick.

@BoF

Youll drag me to time? how long will you block my level down?! Once i have 6 pkmn zoned and just wait to clean up your deafen lock Ill obviously draw pass a lot andf hurry, I dont buy that you can drag a game like this to time.

@Lotad

This is the question, if you can prevent this from happening, good for you. We were discussing the validy of deafen locking to stop lost world. If your whateverchomp can prevent gengar from zoning 6 pkmn youll win. I dont believe that this is easily doable but if it realy works out for you like this..
 
If I play the mew version of the deck Ill obviously will. But I havent even tested it, I dont know yet. I was giving an example of why deafen lock wont work. There is a million other counters, the issue is integrating them into the deck.

IMO the moment you deafen lock youll abandon ANY shot at winning by stopping your opponent/disruption.And is breaking the deafen lock is all I need to do, that wont be so hard.
 
Depends I guess. Id never play without a 32211 / 3231 line, mew get used against decks where I need to hurry / get an easy setup. Doesnt mean youll abandon your gengar line. But like I said, I havent tested it, I dont know yet. But anyone falling for deafen lock hasnt done enough testing, if you play lostgar you should be able to break deafen lock. If you cant, dont play lostgar. Thats all the point I was trying to make. Heck even if deafen lock is unstoppable peopel should realize this during testing.

e:/ Check the beach and tell me they havent just randomly stuffed reprints into the set ... x_x
 
Deafen locking is best when used to run out the end of the match. And by the end of the match I mean like the last half of time, or even longer. It is an attack that costs 2 energy, on a basic pokemon that I play 3 of. Energy gain takes that down to 1 energy. You can't just "counter" it. It's not that easy. And the only way it is going to come to that is if you even get all six pokemon in the lost zone in a reasonable amount of time. I've been testing and it is pretty easy to hide my pokemon.
 
Cause I cant ko your dialga every turn you cant spray me with mew / use blaziken which you can hardly damage / use somethign with amnesia? Heck I dont know if its possible but if it isnt the whole discussion is mute because this would make gengar useless. And deafen is such an obvious counter to lost world that I wouldnt expect anyone to not be prepared. Yes teching stuff will make my deck clunky but I have a bunch of twins and deafen is the ONE! thing you have to tech/prepare against, no matter what. I just woudlnt rely on deafen, people will prepare and a dialga that has to use an attack with little damage output every turn has a huge bullseye on his head.

e:/ And if you can prevent gengar from zoning 6 pokemon thats good for you but frankly, I dont care at all, not a single bit. I was just commenting on this "rofl deafen I win" crap, that it wont work like this because a good player will either prepare for this and know what to do or not play the deck, in both scenarios you gain nothing.
 
Heck I dont know if its possible but if it isnt the whole discussion is mute because this would make gengar useless. And deafen is such an obvious counter to lost world that I wouldnt expect anyone to not be prepared.
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I think the word you're looking for is moot.

Back to pokemon. You said it, all those techs will make your list clunky. And deafen isn't my only counter. My list is my counter if you know what I mean. Increased quantities of sp radar and bebe's, along with multiple junk arms and less pokemon in general makes it much harder for you to lost zone pokemon. If you were to play me, it would take you a minimum of 2-3 turns more to reach the 6. That's if you can at all with a "clunky" list.

"rofl deafen I win". I'm confident in my play, but I'm not just stubborn. I understand that there are a hundred other variables in play other than my pure will to continue to deafen. I don't think anyone is just convinced that deafen is a one size fits all counter to lostgar in any deck in any situation. It's just a tool that I have found to work in many situations.

And btw amnesia is a terrible counter to deafen.
 
Moot, yeah xD
Anyway, I really dont know whow sp vs gengar will work out because I havent tested it (through I dont doubt it if chris fulop says he has issues beating lostgar with an sp counter deck), I was just commenting on people who think deafen will autowin them the game because thats just not going to happen. If you play lostgar you know about deafen and will eb prepared. No comment on the matchup itself, Ive never played it, I have no idea, just assumptions which are different from yours but I wont discuss this until I actually tried it.

Just pointing out how ridiculus it is to think that deafen will just autowin the matchup because I bet a lot of people believe this
 
Yoshi- said:
\ use blaziken which you can hardly damage.
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You're wrrrrrronnnng Yoshi.

If you keep using Blaze X's attack, I'll promote another Dialga and KEEP Deafening. You take 50 damage because of Blaze X's effect. After 2 hits and a Crobat, you'll be KO'd, and you certainly won't be Poke Turning Blaze. Blaze is a bad counter against a thinking opponent.

I HOPE everyone plays Blaze X in their Gengar decks, it will make Dialga that much better.

A more suitable counter would work, but not Blaziken FB (unless you wanna run 2-2, which is HARD if you've been building Lostgar decks and see how tight on space they are). I mean I totally agree they'll be prepared for Deafen, but anyone running Blaziken FB and assuming they have the win without testing that much will be sorry.
 
yoyofsho16 said:
You're wrrrrrronnnng Yoshi.

If you keep using Blaze X's attack, I'll promote another Dialga and KEEP Deafening. You take 50 damage because of Blaze X's effect. After 2 hits and a Crobat, you'll be KO'd, and you certainly won't be Poke Turning Blaze. Blaze is a bad counter against a thinking opponent.

I HOPE everyone plays Blaze X in their Gengar decks, it will make Dialga that much better.

A more suitable counter would work, but not Blaziken FB (unless you wanna run 2-2, which is HARD if you've been building Lostgar decks and see how tight on space they are). I mean I totally agree they'll be prepared for Deafen, but anyone running Blaziken FB and assuming they have the win without testing that much will be sorry.
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It was an example, it helps you t get rid of 2 dialgas, youd have to run 2 or some kidn of recycle, true. Like I said, I didnt test anything yet, there probably re better counters.
 
Lost World is the most broken game mechanic ever intoduced to the game, and one where whe have no way to counter it at all. Sad really that they would do such a thing to the game.
 
Lost World is the most broken game mechanic ever intoduced to the game, and one where whe have no way to counter it at all. Sad really that they would do such a thing to the game.
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Uhh... this is so wrong it isn't even funny. Have you even tested? You're implying that it is going to be the bdif, and I would be surprised if it won more than like 2 or 3 states. Against several lostgar varients, I am 12-2 using luxchomp, dialgachomp, gigas, and a teched out gdos. One of those losses was a donk. I cannot see any lostworld deck having much success right now.
 
I just love how many players are just going out there and tossing out random numbers. "Oh I beat lostgar x-1" or "I've barely lost with lostgar I'm x-1" I really start to wonder just how many of these results are accurate.

We'll all see how dominate it is come states.
 
I just love how many players are just going out there and tossing out random numbers. "Oh I beat lostgar x-1" or "I've barely lost with lostgar I'm x-1" I really start to wonder just how many of these results are accurate.
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Random numbers? Is that your argument?
 
I wasn't making an agrument against you or anyone in particular. Nor am I Pro Lostgar or Con Lostgar. I was just pointing the absurd inconsistency about players claimed record with and against the deck. And its going to take until states before players will know for sure whether or not the deck will emerge as a dominate archetype or flop as a hyped .........*insert similie here*
 
look guys we all know that Mime Jr. + Lost World is going to take worlds. and be BDIF.

did you even look at his artwork? yeah, didn't think so.
 
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