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Seems like its time to close this!

Everyone wants these events to be close to their players, but face it, thats not going to happen. Am I happy abour our location, not really, but St Louis players wouldn't be happy if it was here or in New Orleans either. They are where they are, so we have to accept it, decide to go, or not to go.
 
WoW!! Just WoW!!

From a Completely unbiased position, I support all PTO's in all Areas since without their diligence and hardwork and opening their OWN PERSONAL bank accounts for all of us to benefit, we wouldn't even be "DEBATING" this issue. SO my hats off to to all of you!!

Now on to being the REAL Me....

For a True Debate on this situation, the person or persons instigating the situation of discussion need to first open with both Postitive and Negatives to the Topic at Hand. Since most of Whickers "DEBATE" is actually a PERSONAL COMPLAINT, let's quit calling it a debate all together. :thumb: (Was on Debate myself and not to mention being married now for twelve years allows that.. all married couples can concur on that fact.:biggrin: )

Outline your points in a non-combative way so that all may see them. This is why you tend to get in the situation you are in. Remember that Warnings and Cautions are not the only aspects of the Game that can Disqualify you from Competition. "Spirit of the Game" and Sportsmanship also can become factors when issuing such difficult and harsh punishments along with prior misplays or infractions. It is based more on how you treat people and the manner in which your represent yourself than on game play mechanics. Don't believe me, watch the UFC from time to time when a Fighter is getting out of line. The Ref or Judge can and has in the past put a top to a match and this is in a "Mixed Martial Arts" volatile environment. Poise and Respect are needed and frankly you have been without these Qualities for some time Jordan.

As for your complaint about the Placement of Regionals. D/FW is more centrally located (Mapblast from Harlingen, Texas to Maryville, Kansas, = 1081.9 Miles with D/FW almost right in the Middle MAP ) and would represent the REGIONAL more Centrally. However, it is about Numbers with Business and always will be, therefore HOUSTON is UNDENIABLY a POWERHOUSE of PLAYERS RIGHT NOW so that is why the have EARNED the recognition. Mike has done a heckuva job in Houston and for RECOGNITION of that, POP along with the other PTO's in this area have bestoyed upon him the Regionals Event. Since Mr. Cook LIVESin the HOUSTON AREA and the number of players in Houston has DRAMATICALLY increased, it makes logical BUSINESS since to have a MAJOR EVENT there. Does it cater to everyone, obvoiusly no. We dont have to go as far as you, but it still takes an arrangement of dates, expenditures and more importantly time to go for my family as well. Would I have CHOSEN it to be in Houston, no, but I am not a PTO (YET :thumb: ), so I have no legitimate GRIPE other than Aww Shucks.... there is more $$ out of the pocket book!

Arlington was a Gr8 location, agreed, and more centrally located, but it wasn't CHOSEN for that reason two years in a row. It was Chosen because MPBirch is here... dare we call him SUPER PTO!!... and no other reason than that. It wasn't to accomodate any SINGLE Particular Group of People or Geographic Location, it was because this is near MPBirch's Home, just as the NASA venue is near Mike's Home. It is ultimately the PTO's choice of location, and wouldn't you rather have it near your Home if you were doing ALL the leg work for the event along with setting up everything as far as venue, making sure there are enough accomodations for the influx of people such as Hotels, Eating Establishments, If someone gets lost and contacts you for directions.... So put yourself in their Shoes.... If you were PTO and had the event in Arlington and I told you I was coming from Krum, could you give me directions of the top of your head..... would you be able to tell me to get on 156 to 114 the 35W and go South for 30+- miles then take I30 East til you got to The Ballpark.... I doubt it. What if I told you I was coming in from 377 South Brownwood.... could you get me to the Arlington Convention Center? Those are all things the PTO needs to know and familiarity is VERY, VERY important.

The Location Choice was not meant to Disenfranchise ANY PLAYERS.... that is evident from the outpouring of people willing to assist you and trying to enlighten you on the decisions that were made, inspite of your continued character defamations. Demetre is 11 and he is even on your side about the location, but his exact comment, "Oh Well! That is why I play. I guess I get to meet some new people and have a better shot at making the cut." Not arrogant, just matter of fact. I truly hope you come Jordan, so I can Shake your hand and catch up on how YOU are doing face to face in a personal environment, not over a CPU screen. Friendship.. man... it is all about the Friendships we make and the trials we go through to keep those friendships. old_man and I go back and forth a bit at each other, but in the end, we can always shake hands and he would always be welcome in my home.. as long as my wife says it is ok... she does wear the pants in the family.. get married.. you'll understand and get more patience than you ever knew was possible!
 
Rocketman said:
Or, simply put, you can't please everyone.
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Ever heard of utilitarianism? That is what Arlington will do.

Danny:
It doesn't matter why it was chosen to be in Arlington the past two years, it just matters that it is a BETTER location.

Also, most of you seem to be going off the assumption that if it isn't in Houston, then the Houston area cannot go. That is so amazingly false. If Houston has such great numbers, then let them drive the three hours to D/FW.
 
Whicker said:
Ever heard of utilitarianism? That is what Arlington will do.

Danny:
It doesn't matter why it was chosen to be in Arlington the past two years, it just matters that it is a BETTER location.


Also, most of you seem to be going off the assumption that if it isn't in Houston, then the Houston area cannot go. That is so amazingly false. If Houston has such great numbers, then let them drive the three hours to D/FW.
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Jordan:
AGREED... however

you are a rational young man, so angle it this direction:

Arlington = 25+ people situated in D/FW

Arlington = 3-4 hour Drive for 50+ people form Houston. (Understandably not all of Houston would come and realistically, 10+ would make the drive.)

Arlington = 2-3 hour drive for 20+ people form Oklahoma and maybe 5+ people from Kansas. (Understandably that real numbers again would be more in the 10+ range form OK.)

so max total count would be what, 75+ maybe 100 at most. Pretty good numbers me thinks!


Houston = 3-4 Hour drive for 25+ people from D/FW (Consistancy from this area so pretty accurate.)

Houston = 6-8 hour drive for 10+ people from OK (Going on hopeful numbers here.)

Houston = 8+ hour drive for 3+ people from Kansas (Realistically only Meg45 I think would come down for it.)

Here is the REAL MEAT... Houston = 100+ LOCALS...... that is the difference.

Now you understand business... though it is a game, we still buy the cards adn deck sleeves adn dice.... So from a Business perspective, the inconvienence of less than half of the attending area is more profitable than the loss of 50+ players which could creat gross Revenue. Not to Mention the Events going on that are already in PLAY for Pokemon on that weekend. So now you have a MAJOR REGIONAL going so people can SEE what and how to use these silly little cards which in turn can creat more new players and generate more revenue. REMEMBER, it IS a BUSINESS FIRST, GAME SECOND. that is why it is still around.

I feel your pain Jordan. It is a Road Trip for us too, granted not as far as it is for you, but at the same point.....

The one thing you said during this whole situation the really gets me though, is the continuous disregard for the People that do the REAL WORK to bring these tournaments to ALL OF US. WEhat if the only PTO was out of El Paso for this area and was for years. would this discussion be happening at all. You would already be used to having to go Way out there just to play Majors the the South. That is what I want to hear from you. I want to know what you would do if all the sudden, Mike and Birch just stopped and the nearest PTO was even further away? In life you need to be THANKFUL for the LIFE you HAVE. so many others won't even get to PLAY in a REGIONALS because their parents don't care enough to include themselves in their children's hobbies. The World is Bitter enough J..... don't give in to the World and become part of the Negativity..... see you Next Weekend!
 
Should and is are different words guys. I HATE arguments that say "it is that way, stop complaining."
It SHOULD be a game first.

But here is the real point anyway. The THEORY behind Arlington is that Houstons can go to it also. So the 100+ LOCALS in Houston SHOULD THEORETICALLY be able to get to Arlington.
Here it is in numbers form.

Arlington:
Oklahoma- 47 registered players
North Texas- around 40 players (about 1/3 of Texas total)
South Texas- around 70 players

Since Arlington is accessible to ALL of those places, approx. 160 players

Houston:
Oklahoma- 47 registered players
North Texas- around 40
South Texas- around 70

Since Houston is only accessible to TEXANS, we only have around 110 players attending


160 > 110
Arlington wins the numbers game if you look at a THEORETICAL outlook, which is what it should be looked at as.
 
Whicker said:
Ever heard of utilitarianism? That is what Arlington will do.

Danny:
It doesn't matter why it was chosen to be in Arlington the past two years, it just matters that it is a BETTER location.

Also, most of you seem to be going off the assumption that if it isn't in Houston, then the Houston area cannot go. That is so amazingly false. If Houston has such great numbers, then let them drive the three hours to D/FW.
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playa i thought you were done with this :lol:
 
I don't know the league makeup of Houston, but from what Team Cook has been posting both here and elsewhere, it seems like it's heavily slanted towards the younger age groups. In general, those age groups simply cannot make it to an event that is a long drive from their house. I doubt that all 70 registered players in the Houston area would be able to make the drive over to Arlington. In fact, given Team Cook's slanted league numbers, I would be more inclined to say that virtually none of them would make it up. 10-20 at most. I also doubt that all 47 OK people would want to make that drive as well, probably about 10-20 at most again. That leaves the event sitting at no more than 80 people, and probably closer to 60 than anything else.

In Houston, you've got the 70ish players registered, plus about 10-20 from Arlington who would be willing to make the trip, plus about 5-10 from OK who would love to do something like this. I'm sorry, but an average of 70 people with a maximum of 100 is greater than an average of 60 people with a maximum of 80. Houston is the more logical choice.

Also, to add to the argument, Arlington has had the regionals down there for two years. There is no tournament higher than States up in the Midwest that has been held in the same place more than 1 year. PUI feels that an event of this calibur must be moved around in order to keep interest up, and I agree with that assessment. This is not to say that your argument does not have any validity, it's just to say that PUI's argument is a better one.
 
Houston will also bring NEW players. New players seeing a tournament and pokemon day at Nasa?
If I went to Nasa, they had this huge celebration, I'd ask my mommy to let me play!

Oooohhhh, they sell theme decks? Cool.
Now I'm hooked!

+1 young player, w00t

Repeat.
 
bullados said:
I don't know the league makeup of Houston, but from what Team Cook has been posting both here and elsewhere, it seems like it's heavily slanted towards the younger age groups. In general, those age groups simply cannot make it to an event that is a long drive from their house. I doubt that all 70 registered players in the Houston area would be able to make the drive over to Arlington. In fact, given Team Cook's slanted league numbers, I would be more inclined to say that virtually none of them would make it up. 10-20 at most. I also doubt that all 47 OK people would want to make that drive as well, probably about 10-20 at most again. That leaves the event sitting at no more than 80 people, and probably closer to 60 than anything else.

In Houston, you've got the 70ish players registered, plus about 10-20 from Arlington who would be willing to make the trip, plus about 5-10 from OK who would love to do something like this. I'm sorry, but an average of 70 people with a maximum of 100 is greater than an average of 60 people with a maximum of 80. Houston is the more logical choice.

Also, to add to the argument, Arlington has had the regionals down there for two years. There is no tournament higher than States up in the Midwest that has been held in the same place more than 1 year. PUI feels that an event of this calibur must be moved around in order to keep interest up, and I agree with that assessment. This is not to say that your argument does not have any validity, it's just to say that PUI's argument is a better one.
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God, I can barely respond to this. It totally missed my emphasis on the theory behind the choice of Arlington over Houston. I would HOPE that when planning a regional, they would take the theory into account, and not the "high chance of only 10-20 people from Oklahoma and only 10-20 from Houston." That would definitely be the wrong way to go about things.
Also, must be moved to keep interest up? Are you kidding me? I myself am LOSING interest because I CAN'T PLAY in Regionals. I'm sure other Oklahomans may feel the same way. There is simply NO LOGIC in moving it AWAY from people that want to play in order to keep "interest up."

Ryanvergel: show it bringing in FIFTY players willing to STAY with the game (as in players that won't just play in that tournament and then never play again). I'm sure it won't happen.
 
Whicker said:
God, I can barely respond to this. It totally missed my emphasis on the theory behind the choice of Arlington over Houston. I would HOPE that when planning a regional, they would take the theory into account, and not the "high chance of only 10-20 people from Oklahoma and only 10-20 from Houston." That would definitely be the wrong way to go about things.
Also, must be moved to keep interest up? Are you kidding me? I myself am LOSING interest because I CAN'T PLAY in Regionals. I'm sure other Oklahomans may feel the same way. There is simply NO LOGIC in moving it AWAY from people that want to play in order to keep "interest up."

Ryanvergel: show it bringing in FIFTY players willing to STAY with the game (as in players that won't just play in that tournament and then never play again). I'm sure it won't happen.
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OK... solution, if ur angry at the location, don't go and save us all trouble of trying to beat you. If you wanna play some pokes for nationals trips and some fun, then by all means come. Why gripe over something that has been set in stone.
 
When we drove out to Arlington last year arguably the only big thing about the location was that the Six Flags and the Baseball Stadium, which contributed to quite the parking problem at the convention center later on that day. The venue was amazing though and something that would have costed thousands to secure here in Florida. Simply put there was inherent flaws with the way the event was organized. It was a very disappointing ride back home and it left a sour taste in my mouth. This was probably one of the many reasons the Regional was moved.
 
Jordan, if you hate this game so much, and you're acting so depressed about it, stop playing and leave and let us who deal with it have our fun. otherwise, don't complain.
 
We had a great time in Arlington Last year, great venue, location, and the ride home was pretty good also since Chis won his second Regional!

Houston will be great this year! NASA and Pokemon, it has to be! Its OK to go somewhere new and see life from a different perspective! Go and enjoy your self, relax and have some fun!
 
Shiloh Phoenix said:
Jordan, if you hate this game so much, and you're acting so depressed about it, stop playing and leave and let us who deal with it have our fun. otherwise, don't complain.
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I might as well, considering the system obviously doesn't want me to keep playing, considering I cannot go to this tournament which happens to be one of the most competitive of the year.
 
bullados said:
I don't know the league makeup of Houston, but from what Team Cook has been posting both here and elsewhere, it seems like it's heavily slanted towards the younger age groups. In general, those age groups simply cannot make it to an event that is a long drive from their house. I doubt that all 70 registered players in the Houston area would be able to make the drive over to Arlington. In fact, given Team Cook's slanted league numbers, I would be more inclined to say that virtually none of them would make it up. 10-20 at most. I also doubt that all 47 OK people would want to make that drive as well, probably about 10-20 at most again. That leaves the event sitting at no more than 80 people, and probably closer to 60 than anything else.

In Houston, you've got the 70ish players registered, plus about 10-20 from Arlington who would be willing to make the trip, plus about 5-10 from OK who would love to do something like this. I'm sorry, but an average of 70 people with a maximum of 100 is greater than an average of 60 people with a maximum of 80. Houston is the more logical choice.

Also, to add to the argument, Arlington has had the regionals down there for two years. There is no tournament higher than States up in the Midwest that has been held in the same place more than 1 year. PUI feels that an event of this calibur must be moved around in order to keep interest up, and I agree with that assessment. This is not to say that your argument does not have any validity, it's just to say that PUI's argument is a better one.
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First off I also live in Oklahoma and the reason we are so angry is because there is no reason to move to houstan,ooooooooooo its NASA, NASA has nothing to do with pokemon and so you decide to change it for "houstans" a horriable response and bad one at that. If it isn't blantly clear already as whicker stated by moving to Arlington Regionals would gain 70 people or more because of location. It is just absurd to move it after to prosprous years in the convention center. In addition the "new" people it being NASA will bring I doubt because after they get beat they most likely loose intrest and no longer want to play. Apparenly Texas is afraid of Oklahomans winning Regionals so that must of have been the true reason behind this ridiclous concept.
 
generalgrievous said:
First off I also live in Oklahoma and the reason we are so angry is because there is no reason to move to houstan,ooooooooooo its NASA, NASA has nothing to do with pokemon and so you decide to change it for "houstans" a horriable response and bad one at that. If it isn't blantly clear already as whicker stated by moving to Arlington Regionals would gain 70 people or more because of location. It is just absurd to move it after to prosprous years in the convention center. In addition the "new" people it being NASA will bring I doubt because after they get beat they most likely loose intrest and no longer want to play. Apparenly Texas is afraid of Oklahomans winning Regionals so that must of have been the true reason behind this ridiclous concept.
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Again..another person who misses the point of having it in Houston. For those of you who do not understand that the main target audience for this game is the 10 and under crowd, check out the World's trip distribution for nationals. Mike has done an INCREDIBLE job building his player base in Houston and they are primarily 10- kids. They are the ones who will grow the game, not the 11-14, or 15+ though these 2 groups are important for the competitive game, but do they do anything to EXPAND the player base?

I am sorry the distance for some of you to your regionals is big. Mine is 4 hours away from us and 6 to 9 hours for people south of us. Complaining does not help...its not going to change. I guess it does make you feel better though.

What I would seriously recommend if you want the Regional to be on your doorstep next year...and I mean in Oklahoma....is to get out and work with your TOs and PTOs and bring in more and more and more new players to the game. If you have 100+ registered players for your league, they would consider heading your way.


Clay Mitchell
 
Amen Clay, but the Okies dont want to look at facts, they just want to argue about the location and the possibilities of "what ifs" if still in Arlington. Deal with the fact that Regionals for this area is in Houston, either get there and deal with it or hush already!!!! Are you going to "boycott" the game bc Worlds is all the way out in California 2 years in a row??? OMG...How will I live with that??? Those of us closer to the east coast are even more handicapped by Worlds in Cali, but we can ask it to be moved around each year, but it is up to PUI/POP to select the sites 2 years in advance for Worlds!! I understand and can deal with it.

Keith
 
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