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Lawman said:
Amen Clay, but the Okies dont want to look at facts, they just want to argue about the location and the possibilities of "what ifs" if still in Arlington. Deal with the fact that Regionals for this area is in Houston, either get there and deal with it or hush already!!!! Are you going to "boycott" the game bc Worlds is all the way out in California 2 years in a row??? OMG...How will I live with that??? Those of us closer to the east coast are even more handicapped by Worlds in Cali, but we can ask it to be moved around each year, but it is up to PUI/POP to select the sites 2 years in advance for Worlds!! I understand and can deal with it.

Keith

Ok well considering I have recently discovered I have the resources to play in regionals I will come down to texas and beat most of the so called " Talented Texans". In addition I highly doubt anybody from 10- would considering playing the game after being crushed by experienced players with much better decks. So overall the movement of regionals is truely accomplishing nothing except angrying "Okies" as you like to them, If I may add I like in Oklahoma but not anything close to being born here so don't assume everything like you clearly have, wait you must be afraid of oklahomans taking away regionals, well get ready for that event you have been dreading to occur.
 
generalgrievous said:
Ok well considering I have recently discovered I have the resources to play in regionals I will come down to texas and beat most of the so called " Talented Texans". In addition I highly doubt anybody from 10- would considering playing the game after being crushed by experienced players with much better decks. So overall the movement of regionals is truely accomplishing nothing except angrying "Okies" as you like to them, If I may add I like in Oklahoma but not anything close to being born here so don't assume everything like you clearly have, wait you must be afraid of oklahomans taking away regionals, well get ready for that event you have been dreading to occur.

Wow. . .talk about delusions of grandeur.

The point of this whole exercise - holding the Regionals in conjunction with the Pokémon 10th anniversary celebration at, of all places, NASA's Space Center Houston - is, quite simply, for the growth of the game.

Pokémon, like any other Trading Card Game, like any other organization period, requires growth. If a game/organization is not growing, it is dying. This is a plain, simple, well-understood fact. In order for the game to continue thriving, you have to have new blood coming in.

I think this is an incredible opportunity for Pokémon to be introduced to perhaps HUNDREDS of new, hopefully young, players. And I live 40 minutes from the Arlington Convention Center, so it is only slightly less convenient for me than you. But it is this type of exposure that leads to new players.

Last year's Regionals was our very first exposure to the TCG. My son liked Pokémon cartoons, his grandma had bought him a theme deck, and we decided to stop in and check it out on the way to visit grandma, since it was on the way. We got to talking to Mike Cook, and he convinced us to give it a whirl, even though my son was a complete newbie, and only 5 years old. He was "crushed by experienced players with much better decks." And he had a great time. Almost a year later and he's played in tons of sanctioned tournaments, I've gotten involved, become a professor, began judging Premiere events (I'll be juding at Texas State's here in a bit). Not to mention the hundreds (it's only hundreds, dear, I swear - don't look at my PayPal account like that) of dollars we've now poured into the game. And we were a family who made a conscious decision to come to the event.

Can you imagine the exposure Pokémon's going to get from this event? From people who just happen to be there the same day? You couldn't buy that kind of advertising.

I'll grant you, it sucks for you guys personally that it is so far away, that it is going to require some sacrifice if you want to go. But as a trade off, I think the game as a whole, and you as players of that game, will gain some long-term benefit. Pokémon's only going to be around as long as it is making money. And to keep making money, it's got to keep replacing the players it's losing off the top end of the age range.

The people who made the decisions aren't afraid of being beaten by your Poké-might. They're not even going to be playing. They're the ones who are going to be staffing the event, making sure it runs smoothly, introducing hundreds of new kids to the game that they already know and love, trying to make sure it has a future.

So don't kid yourself. No one's "afraid" of the Regionals trophy heading north of the Red River. No "talented Texan" is "dreading" getting beaten by a "foreigner", be they from Oklahoma or Khazakhstan. If anything, they're afraid, and rightly so, that if they don't help the game to grow, there won't even be a game that requires a City Championship, much less a Regionals, Nationals or Worlds.

Cheers,
S.
 
Alright Matt COME ON, be reasonable.

nice:
As I've said before, this IS NOT a personal argument/complaint. It is the entire idea IN GENERAL that Oklahoma is being neglected is what I'm complaining about. And also, what if I cannot go because my parents do not want me to be so far from home without them being there? Or maybe they don't trust ST Pika. Or maybe I have school obligations the following Monday and they don't want me gone that long. Being offered a ride doesn't automatically mean I can go.

Poke_dad:
That makes no sense, unless you are assuming that a lot of 15+ are going to die soon or something. If we get another 15+ player, that still EXPANDS the game; the 10- aren't the only ones that can become interested. But that is a bit off topic. There are a couple of responses to this. First of all, the 10- SHOULD THEORETICALLY be able to attend Arlington as well. So we aren't killing any players by a location move. Also, there is nothing that tells me that this location will bring in more 10-. Are 10- so interested in NASA that they will happen to be there on the day of the Pokefest? The only reason I can think they would be is if they already liked Pokemon, and if that is the case, then we probably aren't gaining a player then. Also, I've already mentioned that there isn't a guarantee that any players that will play at the tournament will stay.
Already answered your second point as well. I realize this will change nothing for THIS year, but I am hoping that it will influence decisions next year.
And for your third point, I DON'T WANT IT IN OKLAHOMA. Or at least, that isn't what I'm trying to advocate. I'm trying to advocate a move to Arlington, or at least a D/FW city.

Lawman:
I guess people from Tennessee don't actually like to look at arguments presented in front of them. Just a little FYI, no one is actually arguing facts here. They are just simply speculating that Houston will have a bigger outcome than Arlington. I am taking a bit of a different perspective, but it is in no way worse than what the other side is taking.
Also FYI, what if's are what MAKE debates. If they knew on all their accounts that Houston would bring more players into the game, have a bigger turn-out, etc. then I wouldn't have made a single complaint or argument. But the point is is that they do not know. And because of that, they should have gone with my argument outlined above that states that Arlington is the better location because it a least tries to get players from everywhere that the regional covers, which theoretically will get more players. That alone covers the majority of the arguments given for Houston.
BTW, the Worlds argument wasn't a smart one either. We are talking about a REGIONAL, specifically, one that covers Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas. The location for this should be most accomodating for those three states' players. The only problem is that Kansas does overall lack in players, which allows myself and other Oklahomans to accept that North Texas is an acceptable location to do that. The World Championship, therefore, should be most accomodating to the biggest countries in the world. Since we don't know for sure of that place, it is hard to make any kind of judgment similar to the one that I am making here with my Arlington argument.
 
Whicker, seriously how many Okies would come down if it was in Arlington?
I can only remember a handful of people making the trip.
Come on Whicker you said after every tournament last season you were going to quit but you returned every time. Just take the ride offered to you.

STOP THE BICKERING!
THAT GOES FOR EVERYBODY!
 
BROCKS TWIN said:
Whicker, seriously how many Okies would come down if it was in Arlington?
I can only remember a handful of people making the trip.
Come on Whicker you said after every tournament last season you were going to quit but you returned every time. Just take the ride offered to you.

STOP THE BICKERING!
THAT GOES FOR EVERYBODY!


WHY DON'T YOU REREAD MY ARGUMENT ON THEORY! GOD WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE LISTEN TO THE ACTUAL ARGUMENTS FOR ONCE INSTEAD OF GOING OFF ASSUMPTIONS THAT CAN'T EVEN BE PROVEN TRUE UNTIL THE POSSIBLE INJUSTICE COULD HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED.
 
Whicker said:
WHY DON'T YOU REREAD MY ARGUMENT ON THEORY! GOD WHY CAN'T YOU PEOPLE LISTEN TO THE ACTUAL ARGUMENTS FOR ONCE INSTEAD OF GOING OFF ASSUMPTIONS THAT CAN'T EVEN BE PROVEN TRUE UNTIL THE POSSIBLE INJUSTICE COULD HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED.

I read your theory and I get what you're saying but your not going to win as long as Houston has bigger numbers, Mike is going to have Regionals there until this changes. It maybe 10000 years for this to change back to Arlington. SO LIVE WITH IT.

AND WATCH YOUR TONE WHEN YOU TALK TO ME.
 
Whicker: Instead of speculating, lets look at pure numbers. What have they been for the latest rounds of tourneys in Oklahoma, Arlington and Houston?? CCs, PRs ??? Big Daddy Cookie has been BLOWING away the competition with his ACTUAL numbers. He deserves to HOST the Regional wherever he wants to in that region. Last time I looked, Houston WAS in TEXAS. Hmmm....that is w/in the region! Plus, getting the BONUS tie in to NASA for the 10th anniversary of Pokemon in the US....it was a NO BRAINER where to hold it.........Houston.

Grievious: I guess in Okla. they dont teach you to look for the LOCATION under a person's avatar. I am from Tennessee!

BTW ....all you Oklahomans that are griping about a 7 hr drive or so to Houston....MY regional (MS Valley...includes TN) is located in St. Louis, MO this year. Hmmm.....could I make that 11-12 hr drive??? They could not have put it much farther away from my league. That is why we are going to a regional outside our area, but closer to us. Rock on South East!!

Keith
 
Not all OK people gripe about distance, Lawman. Just wanted to put that out there... distance is almost irrelavant to me unless I have a time issue... I can easily drive 1000 miles in a day. Just ask me about my Chicago to Philly and back for Mid-Atlantic Regionals back in June 05...

I know I may be the exception, but for Regionals, one should expect some driving, unless you're lucky enough to live near that city that's hosting it. Just my two cents...
 
The only reason why grievous and Whicker are griping is because they did not "plan" to go to such great lengths for only a trip to nationals, because the unexpected movement for no valid reason was proposed so I feel their anger considering I must also drive that 7 hours instead of 3.
 
No valid reason Venom??? Come on! Have u seem the numbers Cook has been racking in Houston??? Same thing happens in TN for states. POP goes where the most numbers are. Right now, that is Memphis, altho Sevierville in east TN has a great league, Memphis has more. Therefore, hardly anyone from our league gets to fight for their own state title bc of the 7 1/2 drive 1 way. I even have to drive nearly that far to the nearest regional for us just so I can Judge and let little, seemingly ungrateful folks like you all, have the chance to play for those prizes. Did I mention that it isnt even the regional that my state is slated for?? Why you might ask.....well, our regional (MS Valley) is in St Louis this year, hosted by the great MG45 (Woot Vince) and that is over 11 hrs away...1 way.

Keith
 
BROCKS TWIN said:
I read your theory and I get what you're saying but your not going to win as long as Houston has bigger numbers, Mike is going to have Regionals there until this changes. It maybe 10000 years for this to change back to Arlington. SO LIVE WITH IT.

AND WATCH YOUR TONE WHEN YOU TALK TO ME.

Excuse my yelling.
But regardless, you obviously didn't understand what I was saying. Houston doesn't have bigger numbers in theory.


Lawman:
I speculated using actual numbers. You guys are speculating on assumptions. I believe that speaks for itself.
 
Stats time!

From the CC topic in the CC forums...

Team Cook tourneys (NOT TEXAS!!!)

Conroe, TX 1/7
Team Cook
92 (28/35/29)

Woodlands, TX 12/4
Team Cook
65 (24/21/20)

Houston, TX 11/13
Team Cook
51 (8/20/23)

Clearlake, TX 1/21
Team Cook
50 (11/15/24)

Katy, TX 12/7
Team cook
46 (9/14/23)

Sugarland, TX 12/10
Team Cook
29 (4/9/16)

No other events from TX or OK listed on this site, so I'll use the official OP numbers for the rest, http://op.pokemon-tcg.com/events/event_locator.asp?event_type=21&location=north_america

TX events:

Richardson: 34
Ft Worth: 40
Dallas: 34
El Paso: 44
McKinney: 38
San Antonio: 28
Sherman: 24

For a raw average of 13 TX events of 44 persons per event, and a Team Cook average of 6 events at 55.5 persons per event.

Now, to look at the OK CCs...

Oklahoma City: 38
Del City: 39
Ada: 35

3 OK events all run by Charles Collinsworth (who, coincidentally, did almost all of the TX events NOT run by Team Cook) with an average of 37 persons per event.

Is that not statistically significant? I could get into active league numbers if you want, but I think that CC numbers are more than enough to prove the point that Houston diserves to have this event.

[EDIT]

Because I'm bored, I'm going to look at League numbers in TX and OK.

TX:

Longview: 18
Conroe: 27 (Houston area)
San Antonio: 21
Houston 1: 13 (Houston area duh)
Houston 2: 42 (Houston area duh)
Sugarland: 42
Katy: 17 (Houston area)
Lone Star: 44
Richardson: 41
Dalworthington Gardens: 89
El Paso: 21
The Woodlands 1: 61 (Houston area)
The Woodlands 2: 89 (Houston area)
Ft Worth: 22

That's 14 Leagues with an average of 36 persons per league. For Houston area leagues, it's 6 Leagues with an average of 41.5 persons per league. Dallas/Ft Forth area has 5 Leagues with an average of 47.6 persons per league. Now, for a look at Oklahoma...

Ada: 21
Del City: 15
Oklahoma City: 15

That's 3 Leagues with an average of 17 persons per league. Again, statistically significant? I think so...

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Thx Bullados for proving my point about ACTUAL numbers and the way Cook is rocking in the Houston area.

Whicker....is that enough "proof" for ya or is it still "our speculation"??

Keith
 
I really hate how you guys arne't getting my point.
The point is that people from HOUSTON, F/DW, and OKLAHOMA can go to Arlington.
Only people from HOUSTON and D/FW can go to Houston.

There is NO WAY you can prove me wrong on any numbers bit unless Houston somehow grows in numbers if the tournament is held in Houston.
 
Whicker said:
I really hate how you guys arne't getting my point.
The point is that people from HOUSTON, F/DW, and OKLAHOMA can go to Arlington.
Only people from HOUSTON and D/FW can go to Houston.

There is NO WAY you can prove me wrong on any numbers bit unless Houston somehow grows in numbers if the tournament is held in Houston.

Oh, I forgot, they dont have cars in Oklahoma.....just horses to ride?? :rolleyes: People from Oklahoma CAN go to Houston. Its just YOU that either dont want to or cant. Sometimes, life can throw you a change up. Deal with it, like those of us in East Tennessee. Either drive or stay home.

Keith
 
Lawman said:
Oh, I forgot, they dont have cars in Oklahoma.....just horses to ride?? :rolleyes: People from Oklahoma CAN go to Houston. Its just YOU that either dont want to or cant. Sometimes, life can throw you a change up. Deal with it, like those of us in East Tennessee. Either drive or stay home.

Keith

So now you admit that I'm right?
And no, it isn't just ME. Look at the other Oklahomans that have posted... or at least what old man said in his post. Outside of ST Pika's carpool we probably will not have any representation.
 
No, Whicker. You are not right in this situation. Houston is where the bulk of the player base in that region is located, so Houston is where the Regionals of the area should be hosted. On top of that, it ties in VERY nicely with the Space Center promotion going on there for the next few weeks. If you REALLY want, I could go into a My Pokemon registration tirade b/w Texas and OK, but I think that you should get the point after that numbers crunching that I did earlier. If you don't, then you are the single most dense person on this boards this side of BT.
 
bullados said:
No, Whicker. You are not right in this situation. Houston is where the bulk of the player base in that region is located, so Houston is where the Regionals of the area should be hosted. On top of that, it ties in VERY nicely with the Space Center promotion going on there for the next few weeks. If you REALLY want, I could go into a My Pokemon registration tirade b/w Texas and OK, but I think that you should get the point after that numbers crunching that I did earlier. If you don't, then you are the single most dense person on this boards this side of BT.

well Your obviously a self-centered brat who thinks everything is right so you think "gaining" more players in justifed, well it isn't at all actually, Considering its called SOUTHERN PLAINS REGIONALS it does not give other states trying to particpate in it an equal chance so stop whinning Bullados because your wrong.
 
OK, time to go into My Pokemon analysis, just for Venom and Whicker, who simply don't seem to get it!

Texas has 141 total people signed up for My Pokemon accounts.

Oklahoma has 53.

My goodness, Texas has three times the amount of players that Oklahoma does! I'm certain that if somebody did enough number crunching, they would more than likely find that the Pokemon playing base of Houston is at least 1.5 times that of the entire state of Oklahoma. In fact, that's already been proven twice. The Woodlands has 89 people signed up for their league, while their other league has 61 people signed up. Also, looking at the various Houston area CCs, it is quite evident that the younger age group dominates the area. Because of that fact, it is also a fact that these younger players simply cannot travel as far as their older counterparts. Given PUI's stated stance of trying to attract the younger gamer, it would be folly to put the Regional in a place where their target demographic could not attend.

Also, take into account that the Space Center is quite possibly the most public place that they could have possibly held the tournament. Not only is it a very public place, but according to the Space Center's official visitor's website, here, it is also the top area attraction for parents and children under the age of 10. What was PUI's stated target demographic again? Ah yes. The target demographic of PUI is the 10 and under age group.

You may not like the location simply because it's far away from where you are. However, look instead at the health of the game as a whole, as well as the intended direction of the Pokemon TCG. If you want to go, then take ST Pika up on his offer of a carpool, he's always been the most reliable (and quickest) driver that I have ever seen in terms of these events. If you don't feel that strongly about going, then please don't bicker about it and stop cluttering these boards up with your random pointless ranting. Thank you for your time.
 
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